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Since: Dec 01, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:29 am
Post subject: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years
Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>mainboard>epox (more info?)
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So, i buy a new cpu just to find that the waranty replacement board on
my original 8KHA+ is leaking electrolyte too. And one day before the
warranty ran out!!
I asked the distributor if any 8KHA+ boards were ever manufactured
without defective caps, to get this answer:
"Epox have stated that they never used any of the substandard caps on
their boards"
Many others in this group have had this same prob, so are epox fibbing? |
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Since: Nov 07, 2003
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:44 pm
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Previously simon <dabu DeleteThis @dodo.com.au> wrote:
> So, i buy a new cpu just to find that the waranty replacement board on
> my original 8KHA+ is leaking electrolyte too. And one day before the
> warranty ran out!!
> I asked the distributor if any 8KHA+ boards were ever manufactured
> without defective caps, to get this answer:
> "Epox have stated that they never used any of the substandard caps on
> their boards"
> Many others in this group have had this same prob, so are epox fibbing?
Not quite. The problem is that Epox (and many others) where also
deceived. In fact the capacitor manufacturers where deceived as
well. Solely to blame (it seems) is the electrolyte manufacturer that
used an incompletely stolen forlmula.
So in a sense Epox did not knowingly buy substandard caps.
However the latest boards I bought from them have branded caps
on them where you can actually identify the manufacturer and get
a datasheet stating lifetime. (Derates at roughly 0.5 per 10C.
With my installation that gives >5 years lifetime.)
So the honest statement would be "We did, but we did not know
about it." Since that would probably open them for all kinds of
litiogation in countries with broken legal systems (read: US),
they cannot admit that. At least that is what I think the
reason is.
Arno
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Since: Dec 01, 2003
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:48 pm
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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so i am wasting my money on postage to get a replacement?! the next
replacement will be @#$%ed in a year too, do u think as no 8KHA+ boards were
made with decent caps?
if i had known this i would have bought a 333 fsb cpu recently instead of one
for this crap board, seeing as it appears i need a brand new board
Arno Wagner wrote:
> Previously simon <dabu DeleteThis @dodo.com.au> wrote:
> > So, i buy a new cpu just to find that the waranty replacement board on
> > my original 8KHA+ is leaking electrolyte too. And one day before the
> > warranty ran out!!
> > I asked the distributor if any 8KHA+ boards were ever manufactured
> > without defective caps, to get this answer:
> > "Epox have stated that they never used any of the substandard caps on
> > their boards"
> > Many others in this group have had this same prob, so are epox fibbing?
>
> Not quite. The problem is that Epox (and many others) where also
> deceived. In fact the capacitor manufacturers where deceived as
> well. Solely to blame (it seems) is the electrolyte manufacturer that
> used an incompletely stolen forlmula.
>
> So in a sense Epox did not knowingly buy substandard caps.
> However the latest boards I bought from them have branded caps
> on them where you can actually identify the manufacturer and get
> a datasheet stating lifetime. (Derates at roughly 0.5 per 10C.
> With my installation that gives >5 years lifetime.)
>
> So the honest statement would be "We did, but we did not know
> about it." Since that would probably open them for all kinds of
> litiogation in countries with broken legal systems (read: US),
> they cannot admit that. At least that is what I think the
> reason is.
>
> Arno
> --
> For email address: lastname AT tik DOT ee DOT ethz DOT ch
> GnuPG: ID:1E25338F FP:0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F
> "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" - Tacitus<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:48 pm
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Your supposition that ALL 8KHA+ boards are inferior is wrong.
As Arno clearly explained it was not only EPoX who suffered from the bad
capacitors. It does not matter what motherboard you purchase, that was
made within the last few years, they all have the "potential" to contain the
defective capacitors. Some motherboards maybe a higher probability than
others, but still all manufacturers were affected to some extent. I've been
using an 8KHA+ for quite a long time, and find it rediculous to think that
all 8KHA+ are defective. In their time, they were a great motherboard. One
of the best.
Will I have problems in the future with capacitors ? Perhaps..... but its
NOT the fault of EPoX.
My 2 cents.
"simon" <dabu.DeleteThis@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3FCCFBC3.EE199834@dodo.com.au...
> so i am wasting my money on postage to get a replacement?! the next
> replacement will be @#$%ed in a year too, do u think as no 8KHA+ boards
were
> made with decent caps?
> if i had known this i would have bought a 333 fsb cpu recently instead of
one
> for this crap board, seeing as it appears i need a brand new board
>
> Arno Wagner wrote:
> > Not quite. The problem is that Epox (and many others) where also
> > deceived. In fact the capacitor manufacturers where deceived as
> > well. Solely to blame (it seems) is the electrolyte manufacturer that
> > used an incompletely stolen forlmula.
<snip>
> > Arno<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:06 pm
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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who said it was the fault of epox?
my point is that i have had 2 boards in 2 years, so odds are that the next
replacement will be screwed in a year as well... on the othe hand i have 6 year
old boards that are still hammering along...
i incorrectly assumed that the first replacement board would not have faulty
caps... if i had known this 2 weeks ago i would have purchased a CPU with a 333
fsb... basically i will require another board in a year... that board will
probably be an epox... i love my 8KHA+
AMD Rules wrote:
> Your supposition that ALL 8KHA+ boards are inferior is wrong.
>
> As Arno clearly explained it was not only EPoX who suffered from the bad
> capacitors. It does not matter what motherboard you purchase, that was
> made within the last few years, they all have the "potential" to contain the
> defective capacitors. Some motherboards maybe a higher probability than
> others, but still all manufacturers were affected to some extent. I've been
> using an 8KHA+ for quite a long time, and find it rediculous to think that
> all 8KHA+ are defective. In their time, they were a great motherboard. One
> of the best.
> Will I have problems in the future with capacitors ? Perhaps..... but its
> NOT the fault of EPoX.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> "simon" <dabu.RemoveThis@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3FCCFBC3.EE199834@dodo.com.au...
> > so i am wasting my money on postage to get a replacement?! the next
> > replacement will be @#$%ed in a year too, do u think as no 8KHA+ boards
> were
> > made with decent caps?
> > if i had known this i would have bought a 333 fsb cpu recently instead of
> one
> > for this crap board, seeing as it appears i need a brand new board
> >
>
> > Arno Wagner wrote:
> > > Not quite. The problem is that Epox (and many others) where also
> > > deceived. In fact the capacitor manufacturers where deceived as
> > > well. Solely to blame (it seems) is the electrolyte manufacturer that
> > > used an incompletely stolen forlmula.
> <snip>
> > > Arno<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:36 am
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:06:05 GMT, simon <dabu.DeleteThis@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>who said it was the fault of epox?
>
>my point is that i have had 2 boards in 2 years, so odds are that the next
>replacement will be screwed in a year as well... on the othe hand i have 6 year
>old boards that are still hammering along...
>
>i incorrectly assumed that the first replacement board would not have faulty
>caps... if i had known this 2 weeks ago i would have purchased a CPU with a 333
>fsb... basically i will require another board in a year... that board will
>probably be an epox... i love my 8KHA+
I`ve had an 8KHA+ for just over two years now, I bought it when they
first came out and it`s still running great. Last time I checked the
caps, about a month ago, they all looked good, so it`s likely only
some boards were affected.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:29 am
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I built a system based on this board 2 years ago for a friend of mine. It's
been runnning flawlessly ever since. It's wrong to assume that they all are
bad boards. In fact I thought that the 8KhA+ boards came after the "bad cap
fiasco"
"simon" <dabu RemoveThis @dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3FCAEF27.1835DAB8@dodo.com.au...
> So, i buy a new cpu just to find that the waranty replacement board on
> my original 8KHA+ is leaking electrolyte too. And one day before the
> warranty ran out!!
>
> I asked the distributor if any 8KHA+ boards were ever manufactured
> without defective caps, to get this answer:
>
> "Epox have stated that they never used any of the substandard caps on
> their boards"
>
> Many others in this group have had this same prob, so are epox fibbing?
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years |
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Since: Dec 12, 2003
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:19 am
Post subject: Re: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I'm using the 8KHA+ motherboard in my main system. It's been working great
with no signs of problems at all. Just last couple of days I bought a few
thing for for my system. I bought a Antec PlusVuew1000 AMG case. Then added
another 1gig of pc2100 to the system. Just say the system is purring like a
cat now. I'm very happy with this system and motherboard.
If this mobo does ever die of old age. I hope it goes to the mobo heaven. 
"Screamer" <Yea.DeleteThis@sure.com> wrote in message
news:5Dzzb.551882$6C4.266498@pd7tw1no...
> I built a system based on this board 2 years ago for a friend of mine.
It's
> been runnning flawlessly ever since. It's wrong to assume that they all
are
> bad boards. In fact I thought that the 8KhA+ boards came after the "bad
cap
> fiasco"
> "simon" <dabu.DeleteThis@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3FCAEF27.1835DAB8@dodo.com.au...
> > So, i buy a new cpu just to find that the waranty replacement board on
> > my original 8KHA+ is leaking electrolyte too. And one day before the
> > warranty ran out!!
> >
> > I asked the distributor if any 8KHA+ boards were ever manufactured
> > without defective caps, to get this answer:
> >
> > "Epox have stated that they never used any of the substandard caps on
> > their boards"
> >
> > Many others in this group have had this same prob, so are epox fibbing?
> >
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2nd 8KHA+ with bad caps in 2 years |
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