6800 GT - The Flagship?

XT for ATI chips means good. XT for Nvidia chips means sucky. Kind of sad
how that worked out. There's a lot of things about the FX line that sucked.

DaveL


"Damaeus" <no-mail RemoveThis @hotmail.invalid.net> wrote in message
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 > In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Damaeus
 > <no-mail RemoveThis @hotmail.invalid.net> posted on Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:36:10 -0600:
 >
  >> I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon
  >> XP
  >> 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
  >> on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
  >> anything better going on there.
 >
 > Hell, there's no noticeable difference even after nearly doubling my CPU
 > speed. This 5600XT must really be a piece of shit graphics card.
 >
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Damaeus wrote:
 > Okay, we have a 6800GT card from nVidia. Is that going to be the flagship
 > or are they planning a 6950GT Ultra? I want to pull my GeForce FX5600XT
 > out and use it to spackle my walls.
 >
 > I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon XP
 > 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
 > on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
 > anything better going on there.
 >
 >
 > --
 > ===========================================================================
 >
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  >>Chaintech GeForce FX 5600XT | Media - RealOne 2.0 build 6.0.11.853
 >
 > Driver: 61.77 nVidia Reference | Media - Windows MP 8.00.00.4487
 >
  >> 128MB Video DDR SDRAM / AGP | Visual Basic 6.0 Learning Edition
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  >>UPS - Belkin F6C100-UNV 1000VA 75m | with a black contoured one.
  >>CD-RW - Aopen 52/32/52 | nVidia 6800GT video card
  >>CD-RW/DVD - Toshiba SD-R1002 |
  >>Gravis XTerminator Digital Gamepad |
  >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >
 > ===========================================================================

Your current graphic card is the limiting factor. I do not know what
type of budget you can afford but the first upgrade should be the
graphics card. Your next upgrade should be a motherboard and new
processor. Your chaintech graphics card is maxed out on the frame rates
so I don't think you can get anymore out of it.

I really like the EVGA 6800GT and have been using it now for sometime.
What a great graphics card!

regards

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Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA card
is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with not
so much as a hiccup!!!
"b" <johnson_robert.DeleteThis@planet.nl> wrote in message
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 > Damaeus wrote:
  >> Okay, we have a 6800GT card from nVidia. Is that going to be the
  >> flagship
  >> or are they planning a 6950GT Ultra? I want to pull my GeForce FX5600XT
  >> out and use it to spackle my walls.
  >>
  >> I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon
  >> XP
  >> 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
  >> on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
  >> anything better going on there.
  >>
  >>
  >> --
  >> ===========================================================================
  >>
   >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
   >>>Homebuilt PC - Antec SX1030B Case | OS - Microsoft Windows XP Home SP-1
   >>>Motherboard - Abit NF7 2.0 | Browser - Firefox 1.0
   >>>PSU - 500 watts | Browser (Backup) - IE 6.0 SP-1
   >>>768 MB PC3200 DDR400 SD-RAM | HTML - Macromedia Studio MX 2004
   >>> 512 MB Infineon DDR400 | Dreamweaver MX 2004
   >>> 256 MB Unknown DDR400 | Fireworks MX 2004
   >>>AMD Athlon XP 3200+ w/400MHz FSB | Flash MX 2004
   >>> Never Overclocked | Homesite + 5.5
   >>> AMD Heatsink & Fan | Freehand MXa 11.0.2
   >>> | ColdFusion MX
   >>>Hard Drives | Mail/News - Forte Agent 2.0/32.640
   >>> Master - WD800JBRTL 80GB ATA100 | Instant Msg - Trillian Pro 2.013
   >>> Slave - Maxtor 30GB ATA-66 | Media - WinAmp 5.01
   >>>Chaintech GeForce FX 5600XT | Media - RealOne 2.0 build 6.0.11.853
  >>
  >> Driver: 61.77 nVidia Reference | Media - Windows MP 8.00.00.4487
  >>
   >>> 128MB Video DDR SDRAM / AGP | Visual Basic 6.0 Learning Edition
   >>> Display 1600 x 1200 @ 75Hz | WordProc - MS Office 97
   >>>Modem - DSI DI3635 v.90 Voice/Fax | Financial - MS Money 2003
   >>>Mouse - Logitech Optical Mouseman | ImgEdit - Paint Shop Pro 8.01
   >>>Microsoft Keyboard (Contoured) |
   >>>Monitor - NEC FP2141SB 22" Multisy |=====================================
   >>>SBLive Platinum 5.1 - LiveDrive II | F U T U R E U P G R A D E S
   >>>Speakers - Altec Lansing 5.1 |-------------------------------------
   >>>MIDI Key - M-Audio Keystation 61es | Abit NF8 w/ AMD Athlon 64 3200
   >>>Printer - Xerox Workcentre XE80 | Add 1GB of DDR400
   >>>Video Capt - Hauppauge WinTV 404 | Add 500 GB of SATA HD Capacity
   >>>Scann - Visioneer OneTouch 9120USB | Replace Beige contoured keyboard
   >>>UPS - Belkin F6C100-UNV 1000VA 75m | with a black contoured one.
   >>>CD-RW - Aopen 52/32/52 | nVidia 6800GT video card
   >>>CD-RW/DVD - Toshiba SD-R1002 |
   >>>Gravis XTerminator Digital Gamepad |
   >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >>
  >> ===========================================================================
 >
 > Your current graphic card is the limiting factor. I do not know what type
 > of budget you can afford but the first upgrade should be the graphics
 > card. Your next upgrade should be a motherboard and new processor. Your
 > chaintech graphics card is maxed out on the frame rates so I don't think
 > you can get anymore out of it.
 >
 > I really like the EVGA 6800GT and have been using it now for sometime.
 > What a great graphics card!
 >
 > regards
 >
 > B<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
<tdauphin.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:

 > Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA card
 > is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with not
 > so much as a hiccup!!!

$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
true 6800 Ultra is only $464.


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 > 768 MB PC3200 DDR400 SD-RAM | HTML - Macromedia Studio MX 2004
 > 512 MB Infineon DDR400 | Dreamweaver MX 2004
 > | Fireworks MX 2004
 > AMD Athlon XP 3200+ w/400MHz FSB | Flash MX 2004
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 > Slave - Maxtor 30GB ATA-66 | Media - WinAmp 5.01
 > Chaintech GeForce FX 5600XT | Media - RealOne 2.0 build 6.0.11.853
Driver: 61.77 nVidia Reference | Media - Windows MP 8.00.00.4487
 > 128MB Video DDR SDRAM / AGP | Visual Basic 6.0 Learning Edition
 > Display 1600 x 1200 @ 75Hz | WordProc - MS Office 97
 > Modem - DSI DI3635 v.90 Voice/Fax | Financial - MS Money 2003
 > Mouse - Logitech Optical Mouseman | ImgEdit - Paint Shop Pro 8.01
 > Microsoft Keyboard (Contoured) |
 > Monitor - NEC FP2141SB 22" Multisy |=====================================
 > SBLive Platinum 5.1 - LiveDrive II | F U T U R E U P G R A D E S
 > Speakers - Altec Lansing 5.1 |-------------------------------------
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 > Video Capt - Hauppauge WinTV 404 | Add 500 GB of SATA HD Capacity
 > Scann - Visioneer OneTouch 9120USB | Replace Beige contoured keyboard
 > UPS - Belkin F6C100-UNV 1000VA 75m | with a black contoured one.
 > CD-RW - Aopen 52/32/52 | nVidia 6800GT video card
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
<no-mail DeleteThis @hotmail.invalid.net> wrote:

 >In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
 ><tdauphin DeleteThis @earthlink.net> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
 >
  >> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA card
  >> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with not
  >> so much as a hiccup!!!
 >
 >$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
 >true 6800 Ultra is only $464.

That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
of easily does Ultra speeds.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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That's very true that the EVGA 6800 GT will easily clock to Ultra speeds.
However, the Ultra can just as easily OC to speeds higher than what it was
designed for - 500/1200 for example. The biggest bang for the buck though is
probably the GT, as they are virtually the same card - only the Ultra is
certified at a higher clock. Don't forget that top of the line cards are
usually running closer to their top end than lower speed cards and so do not
usually OC as easily as the lower speed cards - IMHO.
"Folk" <Folk.RemoveThis@folk.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
 > <no-mail.RemoveThis@hotmail.invalid.net> wrote:
 >
  > >In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
  > ><tdauphin.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
  > >
   > >> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA
card
   > >> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more
with not
   > >> so much as a hiccup!!!
  > >
  > >$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
  > >true 6800 Ultra is only $464.
 >
 > That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
 > of easily does Ultra speeds.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Folk" <Folk.TakeThisOut@folk.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
 > <no-mail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.invalid.net> wrote:
 >
  >>In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
  >><tdauphin.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
  >>
   >>> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA
   >>> card
   >>> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with
   >>> not
   >>> so much as a hiccup!!!
  >>
  >>$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
  >>true 6800 Ultra is only $464.
 >
 > That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
 > of easily does Ultra speeds.

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In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Folk <Folk.RemoveThis@folk.com> posted on
Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:38:01 -0500:

 > That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
 > of easily does Ultra speeds.

How overclockable is the GeForce 5600XT (Chaintech)? I figure I might as
well overclock it a little while prepare to purchase upon a 6800 Ultra.
Nearly doubling my CPU speed and increasing my bus speed from 266 to 400
MHz didn't help framerates at all, it seems.

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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:38:42 GMT, Damaeus
<no-mail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.invalid.net> wrote:

 >In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Folk <Folk.TakeThisOut@folk.com> posted on
 >Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:38:01 -0500:
 >
  >> That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
  >> of easily does Ultra speeds.
 >
 >How overclockable is the GeForce 5600XT (Chaintech)? I figure I might as
 >well overclock it a little while prepare to purchase upon a 6800 Ultra.
 >Nearly doubling my CPU speed and increasing my bus speed from 266 to 400
 >MHz didn't help framerates at all, it seems.
 >
 >Damaeus

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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:43:01 GMT, "Iain Dingsdale"
<iaindingsdale DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

 >
 >"Folk" <Folk DeleteThis @folk.com> wrote in message
 >news:hroc01pmfjpe61oea3nb0cudtfc4dqmagu@4ax.com...
  >> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
  >> <no-mail DeleteThis @hotmail.invalid.net> wrote:
  >>
   >>>In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
   >>><tdauphin DeleteThis @earthlink.net> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
   >>>
   >>>> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA
   >>>> card
   >>>> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with
   >>>> not
   >>>> so much as a hiccup!!!
   >>>
   >>>$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
   >>>true 6800 Ultra is only $464.
  >>
  >> That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
  >> of easily does Ultra speeds.
 >
 >but what sort of speeds will the ultra do?

It's a crapshoot. It's kind of like processors. If Intel announces a
range of speed grades based on the same core, like 2.8, 3.0 and 3.2
Ghz respectively, then most 2.8's will do 3.0, quite a few 3.0's will
do 3.2, but there will be quite a few 3.2's that will go no higher
than 3.2. So there's no guarantee of a good O/C on the Ultra.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Damaeus wrote:

  >>That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
  >>of easily does Ultra speeds.
 >
 > How overclockable is the GeForce 5600XT (Chaintech)? I figure I might as
 > well overclock it a little while prepare to purchase upon a 6800 Ultra.
 > Nearly doubling my CPU speed and increasing my bus speed from 266 to 400
 > MHz didn't help framerates at all, it seems.

Raising the clock on the 5600XT will get you maybe 1 or 2 fps more. The
6800GT is A LOT faster. I bought a Leadtek 6800GT, which has 350/1000 as
standard speeds. Using the auto-overclock util that came bundled with
the card, it defaults to 410/1100, which is higher than the standard
Ultra speeds. Did I mention the 6800GT is waaaayyyy faster than your
5600? Don't prepare a purchase of an Ultra, get a GT. Even if it doesn't
quite reach Ultra speeds, it's still a sound investment.
Then your bottleneck will be the CPU again <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, RJT <spamsucks RemoveThis @tiscali.nl>
posted on Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:42:27 +0100:

 > Raising the clock on the 5600XT will get you maybe 1 or 2 fps more. The
 > 6800GT is A LOT faster. I bought a Leadtek 6800GT, which has 350/1000 as
 > standard speeds. Using the auto-overclock util that came bundled with
 > the card, it defaults to 410/1100, which is higher than the standard
 > Ultra speeds. Did I mention the 6800GT is waaaayyyy faster than your
 > 5600? Don't prepare a purchase of an Ultra, get a GT. Even if it doesn't
 > quite reach Ultra speeds, it's still a sound investment.
 > Then your bottleneck will be the CPU again

Jeezus, when does it end?

I think I remember when the GeForce 2 Ultra and the ATI equivalent were
out... the guys on TechTV, IIRC, were saying that they thought graphics
cards had gotten to be about as good as they needed to be and that there
really wasn't much more to improve on. How wrong they were. Of course, I
might have misheard or something, but...

Anyway, I don't think GPU development is anywhere close to being top notch.
When we can see characters so realistic that they're indistinguishable from
the real thing, played in real time where the controls of our keyboard
cause the character to move, and move in a realistic way -- not this
rotating animation we have now of a running character, and when we can zoom
in and zoom out without loss of resolution (zoom in to see pores on the
skin, and even further to see skin cells, etc...) then GPU's will be pretty
much a complete project. But that kind of realism may be 30 years away.


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