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Since: Aug 10, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:47 pm
Post subject: 8KNXP - which RAID controller to use?
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Hi,
I have had a GA-8KNXP for 3 weeks now, running W2K (I dont intend to
upgrade to XP, thank you),
5900 Graphics card and Maxtor 100G/2M/5400 winchester, 1G of Kingston
HyperX running 2-3-2-5, all stable
Starting from September, I need to do a lot of video editing, so I
need a more fast disc space. My plan: A RAID 0 array (backup is
handled separately) of two Maxtor 200G/8M/7200 drives.
This drive comes in two flavours: as parallel ATA (=PATA) 133 and as
SATA drive (costs 50$ more). Now I must decide which one to choose.
I never had a RAID array or worked with one, so I have a lot of very
basic questions.
1. If I understand correctly the 8KNXP has 3 RAID controllers: PATA
via the Gigaraid chip, SATA using the INTEL Northbridge (or was it
Southbridge?) and SATA using the SIL 3112 controller. Which one to
use? I read in this newsgroup, the Gigaraid/PATA is slow. Is it so
slow as to limit the possible bandwidth the 2 PATA drives could
otherwise deliver?
2. If SATA, which SATA controller should I use? I dont need RAID 1, so
the Intel chip would be sufficient. How does it compare to the SIL
chip otherwise?
3. Drivers. I understand from the manuals, that W2K needs special
drivers for Gigaraid and SIL. How about the Intel chip? And why do we
need special drivers anyway? I thought, the purpose of integrating
RAID in Hardware with the motherboard and BIOS is, to make it
transparent to the OS. Am I wrong? And what, if I decide to try Linux
or something else in the future, do I still need special drivers then?
And where do i get them?
4. Still Drivers. Do I need drivers for RAID using the Intel
North/Southbridge, too? Or is that already integrated with most
operating systems (if not now, I think it will be in the future)?
5. In addition to the RAID drives I need one plain old and slow PATA
drive (legacy or customer data) connected to IDE 1 or IDE2. Will that
be possible? Does this requirement limit my choice of RAID Controller?
I want to boot from the RAID array in any case.
Sorry, lots of questions from a newbie, but uninformed decision can
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:51 pm
Post subject: Re: 8KNXP - which RAID controller to use? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I too, have a GA-8KNXP
No matter which RAID controoler you use, you'll need to have the drivers for
that controller on a floppy before you start to load Windows/NT/2K/XP
I prefer SATA these days. The cables are much thinner, helping de-clutter
the case layout and improving airflow. With SATA, you no longer have to
worry about jumpers on the HD's. No more setting master, or slave, or cable
select. Each SATA drive connects to it's own connector on the controller.
I'm not really sure if you will see any real-world speed difference between
the two SATA RAID controller on the 8KNXP.
For me, I have two WD Raptor SATA drives in RAID 0 for the OS (XP Pro) using
the SI controller, as well as two Seagate 160gig SATA drives in another RAID
0 on the intel controller. Both RAID arrays are quite fast.
Soon I will be adding a WD 250gig PATA drive on the standard IDE connector
to store a backup of the data on the Seagate 160 RAID 0 arrary (I have the
drive, just haven't installed it yet).
If you want the highest speed for your editing, The WD Raptors are 10K rpm
drives, the fastest rpm IDE drives currently available.
The downside is that they are only 36gig drives. This means that a Raptor
array (RAID 0) will give you high speed, but only 72gig capacity.
Your two Maxtor's should be plenty fast enough for what you need.
I don't know about the Maxtor's, but the WD SATA drives allow you to use a
standard power supply cable to connect to the drive.
Seagate SATA drives (at least the 120's and the 160's) use a SATA-style
power connector on the drive. This imeans you will need to use a power
supply cable adapter. Your MB should have shipped with a couple of them.
Make sure.
"klausa2" <iIdont DeleteThis @wantnospamm.net> wrote in message
news:jhspjvoo6507j6tcmn1ijk4f42f2uab4kt@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have had a GA-8KNXP for 3 weeks now, running W2K (I dont intend to
> upgrade to XP, thank you),
> 5900 Graphics card and Maxtor 100G/2M/5400 winchester, 1G of Kingston
> HyperX running 2-3-2-5, all stable
>
> Starting from September, I need to do a lot of video editing, so I
> need a more fast disc space. My plan: A RAID 0 array (backup is
> handled separately) of two Maxtor 200G/8M/7200 drives.
>
> This drive comes in two flavours: as parallel ATA (=PATA) 133 and as
> SATA drive (costs 50$ more). Now I must decide which one to choose.
>
> I never had a RAID array or worked with one, so I have a lot of very
> basic questions.
>
> 1. If I understand correctly the 8KNXP has 3 RAID controllers: PATA
> via the Gigaraid chip, SATA using the INTEL Northbridge (or was it
> Southbridge?) and SATA using the SIL 3112 controller. Which one to
> use? I read in this newsgroup, the Gigaraid/PATA is slow. Is it so
> slow as to limit the possible bandwidth the 2 PATA drives could
> otherwise deliver?
>
> 2. If SATA, which SATA controller should I use? I dont need RAID 1, so
> the Intel chip would be sufficient. How does it compare to the SIL
> chip otherwise?
>
> 3. Drivers. I understand from the manuals, that W2K needs special
> drivers for Gigaraid and SIL. How about the Intel chip? And why do we
> need special drivers anyway? I thought, the purpose of integrating
> RAID in Hardware with the motherboard and BIOS is, to make it
> transparent to the OS. Am I wrong? And what, if I decide to try Linux
> or something else in the future, do I still need special drivers then?
> And where do i get them?
>
> 4. Still Drivers. Do I need drivers for RAID using the Intel
> North/Southbridge, too? Or is that already integrated with most
> operating systems (if not now, I think it will be in the future)?
>
> 5. In addition to the RAID drives I need one plain old and slow PATA
> drive (legacy or customer data) connected to IDE 1 or IDE2. Will that
> be possible? Does this requirement limit my choice of RAID Controller?
> I want to boot from the RAID array in any case.
>
> Sorry, lots of questions from a newbie, but uninformed decision can
> come costly. TIA
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:08 am
Post subject: Re: 8KNXP - which RAID controller to use? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"klausa2" <iIdont.DeleteThis@wantnospamm.net> wrote in message
news:jhspjvoo6507j6tcmn1ijk4f42f2uab4kt@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have had a GA-8KNXP for 3 weeks now, running W2K (I dont intend to
> upgrade to XP, thank you),
> 5900 Graphics card and Maxtor 100G/2M/5400 winchester, 1G of Kingston
> HyperX running 2-3-2-5, all stable
>
> Starting from September, I need to do a lot of video editing, so I
> need a more fast disc space. My plan: A RAID 0 array (backup is
> handled separately) of two Maxtor 200G/8M/7200 drives.
>
> This drive comes in two flavours: as parallel ATA (=PATA) 133 and as
> SATA drive (costs 50$ more). Now I must decide which one to choose.
>
> I never had a RAID array or worked with one, so I have a lot of very
> basic questions.
>
> 1. If I understand correctly the 8KNXP has 3 RAID controllers: PATA
> via the Gigaraid chip, SATA using the INTEL Northbridge (or was it
> Southbridge?) and SATA using the SIL 3112 controller. Which one to
> use? I read in this newsgroup, the Gigaraid/PATA is slow. Is it so
> slow as to limit the possible bandwidth the 2 PATA drives could
> otherwise deliver?
>
> 2. If SATA, which SATA controller should I use? I dont need RAID 1, so
> the Intel chip would be sufficient. How does it compare to the SIL
> chip otherwise?
>
> 3. Drivers. I understand from the manuals, that W2K needs special
> drivers for Gigaraid and SIL. How about the Intel chip? And why do we
> need special drivers anyway? I thought, the purpose of integrating
> RAID in Hardware with the motherboard and BIOS is, to make it
> transparent to the OS. Am I wrong? And what, if I decide to try Linux
> or something else in the future, do I still need special drivers then?
> And where do i get them?
>
> 4. Still Drivers. Do I need drivers for RAID using the Intel
> North/Southbridge, too? Or is that already integrated with most
> operating systems (if not now, I think it will be in the future)?
>
> 5. In addition to the RAID drives I need one plain old and slow PATA
> drive (legacy or customer data) connected to IDE 1 or IDE2. Will that
> be possible? Does this requirement limit my choice of RAID Controller?
> I want to boot from the RAID array in any case.
>
> Sorry, lots of questions from a newbie, but uninformed decision can
> come costly. TIA
Interesting questions, and I think you know a lot more about these things
than your self-styled "newbie" label suggests.
At any rate, just as a data point to consider, my last week was spent trying
to cope with a new 8KNXP mobo, then another one as an RMA replacement, and,
I can tell you, I've never experienced the continuous nightmare of trying to
get a PC simply running at a minimal level, just to load the damned OS (it's
WinXP, thankyou).
The gigabyte mobo succeeded in trashing my boot drive (a SATA) and was so
unruly, disruptive, and totally unusable despite trying every and all
combinations of BIOS settings and upgrades (F6a, F6K, etc) that today, I
relented and tore the damned thing out of my box and bought an Intel mobo.
I'm back in business as I type this, a few hours later. I restored a Drive
Image backup file I had made to my unusable boot drive partition,
re-activated WinXP, and I'm a happy camper.
Mobo is a D865PERL, not an overclocker's paradise, admittedly, but I want
stability I definitely didn't get with the not-ready-for-prime-time
Gigabyte, running the same P4 3.2Ghz cpu I had on the GB board. The main
thing is, the Intel board is ROCK solid, no random reboots and all the other
mess I got with the GB.
I edit video too. I want a system I can count on. Now, I have one. Sounds
like your experience with your 8KNXP has been a little less turbulent than
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:08 am
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"CriticalMass" <no.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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> "klausa2" <iIdont.RemoveThis@wantnospamm.net> wrote in message
> news:jhspjvoo6507j6tcmn1ijk4f42f2uab4kt@4ax.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have had a GA-8KNXP for 3 weeks now, running W2K (I dont intend to
> > upgrade to XP, thank you),
> > 5900 Graphics card and Maxtor 100G/2M/5400 winchester, 1G of Kingston
> > HyperX running 2-3-2-5, all stable
> >
> > Starting from September, I need to do a lot of video editing, so I
> > need a more fast disc space. My plan: A RAID 0 array (backup is
> > handled separately) of two Maxtor 200G/8M/7200 drives.
> >
> > This drive comes in two flavours: as parallel ATA (=PATA) 133 and as
> > SATA drive (costs 50$ more). Now I must decide which one to choose.
> >
> > I never had a RAID array or worked with one, so I have a lot of very
> > basic questions.
> >
> > 1. If I understand correctly the 8KNXP has 3 RAID controllers: PATA
> > via the Gigaraid chip, SATA using the INTEL Northbridge (or was it
> > Southbridge?) and SATA using the SIL 3112 controller. Which one to
> > use? I read in this newsgroup, the Gigaraid/PATA is slow. Is it so
> > slow as to limit the possible bandwidth the 2 PATA drives could
> > otherwise deliver?
> >
> > 2. If SATA, which SATA controller should I use? I dont need RAID 1, so
> > the Intel chip would be sufficient. How does it compare to the SIL
> > chip otherwise?
> >
> > 3. Drivers. I understand from the manuals, that W2K needs special
> > drivers for Gigaraid and SIL. How about the Intel chip? And why do we
> > need special drivers anyway? I thought, the purpose of integrating
> > RAID in Hardware with the motherboard and BIOS is, to make it
> > transparent to the OS. Am I wrong? And what, if I decide to try Linux
> > or something else in the future, do I still need special drivers then?
> > And where do i get them?
> >
> > 4. Still Drivers. Do I need drivers for RAID using the Intel
> > North/Southbridge, too? Or is that already integrated with most
> > operating systems (if not now, I think it will be in the future)?
> >
> > 5. In addition to the RAID drives I need one plain old and slow PATA
> > drive (legacy or customer data) connected to IDE 1 or IDE2. Will that
> > be possible? Does this requirement limit my choice of RAID Controller?
> > I want to boot from the RAID array in any case.
> >
> > Sorry, lots of questions from a newbie, but uninformed decision can
> > come costly. TIA
>
> Interesting questions, and I think you know a lot more about these things
> than your self-styled "newbie" label suggests.
>
> At any rate, just as a data point to consider, my last week was spent
trying
> to cope with a new 8KNXP mobo, then another one as an RMA replacement,
and,
> I can tell you, I've never experienced the continuous nightmare of trying
to
> get a PC simply running at a minimal level, just to load the damned OS
(it's
> WinXP, thankyou).
>
> The gigabyte mobo succeeded in trashing my boot drive (a SATA) and was so
> unruly, disruptive, and totally unusable despite trying every and all
> combinations of BIOS settings and upgrades (F6a, F6K, etc) that today, I
> relented and tore the damned thing out of my box and bought an Intel mobo.
>
> I'm back in business as I type this, a few hours later. I restored a
Drive
> Image backup file I had made to my unusable boot drive partition,
> re-activated WinXP, and I'm a happy camper.
>
> Mobo is a D865PERL, not an overclocker's paradise, admittedly, but I want
> stability I definitely didn't get with the not-ready-for-prime-time
> Gigabyte, running the same P4 3.2Ghz cpu I had on the GB board. The main
> thing is, the Intel board is ROCK solid, no random reboots and all the
other
> mess I got with the GB.
>
> I edit video too. I want a system I can count on. Now, I have one.
Sounds
> like your experience with your 8KNXP has been a little less turbulent than
> mine. Hope your luck continues.
>
>
At the other end of the spectrum, I've had my 8KNXP for two months now and
I've never had a single problem with it.
I'm booting off a RAID 0 array on the SI connectors, have a second RAID 0
array on the Intel SATA connectors, and a WD 250gig on the standard IDE
controller.
Running XP Pro
3.2gig cpu
2gig generic DDR400 ram
Antec TruePower 430watt PS
FX5900Ultra
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:03 pm
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Ditto here, except for a few snags: WinXP-Pro wouldn't take the GigaRAID
drivers at install, though as it turned out using one drive proved the best
alternative because of the now well-known performance problems of GigaRAID.
Second, I never could get Easytune4 to load, either the CD version or
another Gigabyte tech support provided. No loss, as I'm running MBM5
instead, which works fine.
Now, after two months, I've added a Zalman HSF and a second gb of RAM, and
the machine could not be more stable.
"Timothy Drouillard" <timdrouillard RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "CriticalMass" <no RemoveThis @spam.com> wrote in message
> news:bhp1s00292t@enews4.newsguy.com...
> At the other end of the spectrum, I've had my 8KNXP for two months now and
> I've never had a single problem with it.
> I'm booting off a RAID 0 array on the SI connectors, have a second RAID 0
> array on the Intel SATA connectors, and a WD 250gig on the standard IDE
> controller.
>
> Running XP Pro
> 3.2gig cpu
> 2gig generic DDR400 ram
> Antec TruePower 430watt PS
> FX5900Ultra
>
> go figure..
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:03 pm
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"Bob Davis" <iclick@?ox.net> wrote in message news:<Xlo0b.21040$0u4.1901@news1.central.cox.net>...
> Ditto here, except for a few snags: WinXP-Pro wouldn't take the GigaRAID
> drivers at install, though as it turned out using one drive proved the best
> alternative because of the now well-known performance problems of GigaRAID.
> Second, I never could get Easytune4 to load, either the CD version or
> another Gigabyte tech support provided. No loss, as I'm running MBM5
> instead, which works fine.
>
> Now, after two months, I've added a Zalman HSF and a second gb of RAM, and
> the machine could not be more stable.
>
> "Timothy Drouillard" <timdrouillard DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:phOdnXz0vKemgN2iXTWJhQ@comcast.com...
>
> > "CriticalMass" <no DeleteThis @spam.com> wrote in message
> > news:bhp1s00292t@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
> > At the other end of the spectrum, I've had my 8KNXP for two months now and
> > I've never had a single problem with it.
> > I'm booting off a RAID 0 array on the SI connectors, have a second RAID 0
> > array on the Intel SATA connectors, and a WD 250gig on the standard IDE
> > controller.
> >
> > Running XP Pro
> > 3.2gig cpu
> > 2gig generic DDR400 ram
> > Antec TruePower 430watt PS
> > FX5900Ultra
> >
> > go figure..
> >
> >
I have tried using both the intel SATA RAID and the SI RAID in RAID 0
config. One difference I noticed is that the Intel has SMART
capability and I noticed it can flag the status of the disks, while
the SI one does not.
A couple of times I have had problems where the computer hung and then
on reboot the RAID 0 config is lost. After 3-4 reboots, suddenly it
is recognized and everything seems to work ok. I get this on both
RAID controllers. The intel RAID seems to be smarter and sometimes
displays a message saying it discovered a RAID config and if I want to
use it. The SI never displays such a message, it just seemed to find
it somehow and continue.
I am concerned about losing data in RAID 0 config and I don't want to
rebuild my disks constantly. I have 2x200Gig Maxtor drives. Is there
a way to run the disks in SATA with no RAID 0 or 1, just as two disk
drives? There is a possibility that one of the disks is bad (the
intel controller complained about the SMART event status on one). I
reformatted it and moved the drives to the SI controller, but I can't
tell if it still has the problem because the SI controller doesn't
show these events. Disk utilities cannot check the disk when it is
part of the RAID so before I send it back to Maxtor I want to try
running the OS on one drive and make the other drive just a data
drive.
Thanks,
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:20 pm
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You can always run RAID 0 under XP - soft raid, but you will probably lose
all performance benefits + some CPU.
- Tim
"Ron Zahavi" <rzahavi DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Bob Davis" <iclick@?ox.net> wrote in message
news:<Xlo0b.21040$0u4.1901@news1.central.cox.net>...
> > Ditto here, except for a few snags: WinXP-Pro wouldn't take the
GigaRAID
> > drivers at install, though as it turned out using one drive proved the
best
> > alternative because of the now well-known performance problems of
GigaRAID.
> > Second, I never could get Easytune4 to load, either the CD version or
> > another Gigabyte tech support provided. No loss, as I'm running MBM5
> > instead, which works fine.
> >
> > Now, after two months, I've added a Zalman HSF and a second gb of RAM,
and
> > the machine could not be more stable.
> >
> > "Timothy Drouillard" <timdrouillard DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:phOdnXz0vKemgN2iXTWJhQ@comcast.com...
> >
> > > "CriticalMass" <no DeleteThis @spam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bhp1s00292t@enews4.newsguy.com...
> >
> > > At the other end of the spectrum, I've had my 8KNXP for two months now
and
> > > I've never had a single problem with it.
> > > I'm booting off a RAID 0 array on the SI connectors, have a second
RAID 0
> > > array on the Intel SATA connectors, and a WD 250gig on the standard
IDE
> > > controller.
> > >
> > > Running XP Pro
> > > 3.2gig cpu
> > > 2gig generic DDR400 ram
> > > Antec TruePower 430watt PS
> > > FX5900Ultra
> > >
> > > go figure..
> > >
> > >
>
> I have tried using both the intel SATA RAID and the SI RAID in RAID 0
> config. One difference I noticed is that the Intel has SMART
> capability and I noticed it can flag the status of the disks, while
> the SI one does not.
>
> A couple of times I have had problems where the computer hung and then
> on reboot the RAID 0 config is lost. After 3-4 reboots, suddenly it
> is recognized and everything seems to work ok. I get this on both
> RAID controllers. The intel RAID seems to be smarter and sometimes
> displays a message saying it discovered a RAID config and if I want to
> use it. The SI never displays such a message, it just seemed to find
> it somehow and continue.
>
> I am concerned about losing data in RAID 0 config and I don't want to
> rebuild my disks constantly. I have 2x200Gig Maxtor drives. Is there
> a way to run the disks in SATA with no RAID 0 or 1, just as two disk
> drives? There is a possibility that one of the disks is bad (the
> intel controller complained about the SMART event status on one). I
> reformatted it and moved the drives to the SI controller, but I can't
> tell if it still has the problem because the SI controller doesn't
> show these events. Disk utilities cannot check the disk when it is
> part of the RAID so before I send it back to Maxtor I want to try
> running the OS on one drive and make the other drive just a data
> drive.
>
> Thanks,
>
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