AMD Purchase Question?

Joe wrote:
 > I am going to be buying an XP 2500 but I can't seem to figure this
 > out. It is cheaper to buy the processor with the heatsink and fan
 > than it is to buy the CPU alone.
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 >
 > Why the hell is that?
 >
 > -Joe

Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail packages
than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their suppliers. Since the
retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to go with
it.
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  >> I am going to be buying an XP 2500 but I can't seem to figure this
  >> out. It is cheaper to buy the processor with the heatsink and fan
  >> than it is to buy the CPU alone.

I bought the "retail package" even though it was $10 MORE than the "tray
only" at Fry's. The 3 yr warranty is nice, but the fan works great. I've
never had a processor run as cool as this one does. Plus, there's no
question as to whether its right or not.

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 > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail packages
 > than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their suppliers. Since
the
 > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to go
with
 > it.

Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the hsfan
correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a thermal adhesive to
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:56:52 +0100
"rstlne" <who.DeleteThis@who.com> wrote:

  > > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail
  > > packages than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their
  > > suppliers. Since
 > the
  > > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to
  > > go
 > with
  > > it.
 >
 > Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the hsfan
 > correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a thermal adhesive
 > to fix it to the cpu..

No. They provide the CPU and the HSF as separate components in the
retail box with phase-change thermal material on the HSF.


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"rstlne" <who.TakeThisOut@who.com> wrote in message
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  > > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail packages
  > > than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their suppliers. Since
 > the
  > > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to go
 > with
  > > it.
 >
 > Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the hsfan
 > correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a thermal adhesive to
 > fix it to the cpu..
 >
 >
You're wrong
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:06:24 GMT, "Peter van der Goes"
<p_vandergoes.RemoveThis@mars.cox.pluto> wrote:

 >
 >"rstlne" <who.RemoveThis@who.com> wrote in message
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   >> > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail packages
   >> > than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their suppliers. Since
  >> the
   >> > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to go
  >> with
   >> > it.
  >>
  >> Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the hsfan
  >> correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a thermal adhesive to
  >> fix it to the cpu..
  >>
  >>
 >You're wrong
 >The retail HSF attached to the socket lugs, *not* the CPU. *You* install
 >your HSF of choice.
 >

This Limited Warranty shall be null and void if the AMD microprocessor
which is the subject of this Limited Warranty is used with any
heatsink/fan other than the one provided herewith.

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:35:48 GMT
"Pug Fugley" <nosir RemoveThis @mrhorse.com> wrote:

 >
 > "Ed" <nomail RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:mri9lvg0no9pk7ka26b0tqqppf9s35ofjh@4ax.com...
  > > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:06:24 GMT, "Peter van der Goes"
  > > <p_vandergoes RemoveThis @mars.cox.pluto> wrote:
  > >
   > > >
   > > >"rstlne" <who RemoveThis @who.com> wrote in message
   > > >news:PmO4b.3772$bC1.2160@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
   > > >> > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail
 > packages
   > > >> > than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their
   > > >suppliers.
 > Since
   > > >> the
   > > >> > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good
   > > >sense to
 > go
   > > >> with
   > > >> > it.
   > > >>
   > > >> Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the
   > > >hsfan> correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a
   > > >thermal adhesive
 > to
   > > >> fix it to the cpu..
   > > >>
   > > >>
   > > >You're wrong
   > > >The retail HSF attached to the socket lugs, *not* the CPU. *You*
   > > >install your HSF of choice.
   > > >
  > >
  > > This Limited Warranty shall be null and void if the AMD
  > > microprocessor which is the subject of this Limited Warranty is used
  > > with any heatsink/fan other than the one provided herewith.
  > >
  > >
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 > .html
 >
 >
 >
 > How are they going to know what HSF you installed on the damn thing if
 > you simply just keep your retail HSF and send that back with your
 > burned chip?

Phase change thermal material--some stays stuck to the HSF, some stays
stuck to the processor, it cures hard. If you use a different HSF then
the thermal material left on the processor won't mate with that left on
the HSF.

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"Ed" <nomail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:06:24 GMT, "Peter van der Goes"
 > <p_vandergoes.TakeThisOut@mars.cox.pluto> wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >"rstlne" <who.TakeThisOut@who.com> wrote in message
  > >news:PmO4b.3772$bC1.2160@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
   > >> > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail
packages
   > >> > than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their suppliers.
Since
   > >> the
   > >> > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to
go
   > >> with
   > >> > it.
   > >>
   > >> Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the hsfan
   > >> correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a thermal adhesive
to
   > >> fix it to the cpu..
   > >>
   > >>
  > >You're wrong
  > >The retail HSF attached to the socket lugs, *not* the CPU. *You* install
  > >your HSF of choice.
  > >
 >
 > This Limited Warranty shall be null and void if the AMD microprocessor
 > which is the subject of this Limited Warranty is used with any
 > heatsink/fan other than the one provided herewith.
 >
 >
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"J.Clarke" <jclarke DeleteThis @attglobal.net> wrote in message
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 > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:35:48 GMT
 > "Pug Fugley" <nosir DeleteThis @mrhorse.com> wrote:

  > > How are they going to know what HSF you installed on the damn thing if
  > > you simply just keep your retail HSF and send that back with your
  > > burned chip?
 >
 > Phase change thermal material--some stays stuck to the HSF, some stays
 > stuck to the processor, it cures hard. If you use a different HSF then
 > the thermal material left on the processor won't mate with that left on
 > the HSF.


The very first thing that most folks do is scrape that shit off. There's
nothing on there about having to have the 'tape' intact.

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:52:08 GMT
"Pug Fugley" <nosir RemoveThis @mrhorse.com> wrote:

 >
 > "J.Clarke" <jclarke RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote in message
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  > > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:35:48 GMT
  > > "Pug Fugley" <nosir RemoveThis @mrhorse.com> wrote:
 >
   > > > How are they going to know what HSF you installed on the damn
   > > > thing if you simply just keep your retail HSF and send that back
   > > > with your burned chip?
  > >
  > > Phase change thermal material--some stays stuck to the HSF, some
  > > stays stuck to the processor, it cures hard. If you use a different
  > > HSF then the thermal material left on the processor won't mate with
  > > that left on the HSF.
 >
 >
 > The very first thing that most folks do is scrape that shit off.
 > There's nothing on there about having to have the 'tape' intact.
 >
 > Wipe it off the sink, wipe it off the chip, you'd never know it was
 > there.

You'd never know your warranty was there either.
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The way I see it is if the thing lasts a couple days it will probably last
forever or until it is obsolete. If it burns up you probably did something
really dumb and shouldn't get a replacement anyway. I can't see how
overclocking can cause damage because, form my experience, it will become
unstable or not boot at all. Forget about the warranty and get an OEM for a
couple bucks less.



"rstlne" <who RemoveThis @who.com> wrote in message
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  > > Supply and demand. Newegg likely sells a great deal more retail packages
  > > than OEM processors. They get a beter price from their suppliers. Since
 > the
  > > retail package carries a three year warranty it makes good sense to go
 > with
  > > it.
 >
 > Yea but the 3 year warranty is only valid if you dont remove the hsfan
 > correct me if I am wrong but didnt amd actually use a thermal adhesive to
 > fix it to the cpu..
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