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Johannes H Anderse13

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:55 am
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RusH wrote:
 >
 > Johannes H Andersen
 > <johs.DeleteThis@sizefitterwiuiuienuivwuivzouvwvuoveswernuaz.com> wrote :
 >
  > > However, P4 2.8C/800 can use dual channel memory.
 >
 > WOOHOO, lets buy lots of them, and I mean LOADS .. because they got
 > QUAD pumped 200/800MHz dual channel memorry controler to make up for
 > theyr crappy cache algorithms. And while we'r at it, tlest buy some new
 > LGA775 boardz, just because they got those COOOL BGA sockets.
 >
 > Just like buying Ferrari for the color.

??? Didn't say any of that, but this is usenet. There are always lots of issues
and you can't win. But now I don't care because the new system is already built
and will have to do the next couple of years. So far I've no complaints. I
could equally have chosen an AMD 64, it would probably make little difference
one way or another. I do use my system for numerical calculations and like to
have a fast processor & memory, although probably for 95% of the time I don't
need the full power. Heat output and noise is also a major concern, hence I chose
Northwood over Prescott.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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mygarbage2000

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:04 am
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On 22 Jul 2004 05:08:39 -0400, ken.RemoveThis@kennos-dot-com.no-spam.invalid
(kennos) wrote:

 >Hi,
 >I am upgrading my PC, can you guys enlighten me on which processor to
 >chose from. Should I go for AMD Athlon XP 2600 or Intel 2.8E HT???
 >Could you please suggest 1) motherboard 2) video card to go with your
 >suggestion? I am not a heavy gaming person, I do some home video
 >editing and I basically have a limited Crying or Very sad budget ($700).
 >
 >Thank you for the help Very Happy .
 >
 >==============
 >Posted through <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.HowToFixComputers.com/bb" target="_blank">www.HowToFixComputers.com/bb</a> - free access to hardware troubleshooting newsgroups.

Neither one - go Athlon64. A64-2800+ is less expensive than P4-2.8,
will beat both P4-2.8 and XP2600 in almost any app, and can run WinXP
64 as soon as it is released. Socket 754 is upgradeable to at least
3700+, possibly even higher, while P4 socket 478 reached end of the
road.
The mobo? Go with the cheapest from a trusted brand (ASUS, MSI,
Gigabyte, etc) you can find. Quick check on PW: Gigabyte -
GA-K8VT800M - $78.97.
If you do video capture, ATI All-In-Wonder video card is right for
you. Otherwise, go with the minimum requirement of your favorite
game. Memory, hard - and optical drives - as you see fit to your
taste and budget. NIC and sound card - most today's motherboard have
them included, unless you need multiple network connections or pro
quality sound.

Also check <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2122" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2122</a>
It's above your price range, but without monitor, speakers, with less
fancy case it should fit. Also note that the prices at Anand's are a
bit higher than on pricewatch.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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kennos

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:05 am
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 >
 > wrote:
 > nobody RemoveThis @nowhere.net
 >
 > Neither one - go Athlon64. A64-2800+ is less expensive than
P4-2.8,
 > will beat both P4-2.8 and XP2600 in almost any app, and can run
WinXP
 > 64 as soon as it is released. Socket 754 is upgradeable to at
least
 > 3700+, possibly even higher, while P4 socket 478 reached end of the
 > road.
 > The mobo? Go with the cheapest from a trusted brand (ASUS, MSI,
 > Gigabyte, etc) you can find. Quick check on PW: Gigabyte -
 > GA-K8VT800M - $78.97.
 > If you do video capture, ATI All-In-Wonder video card is right for
 > you. Otherwise, go with the minimum requirement of your favorite
 > game. Memory, hard - and optical drives - as you see fit to your
 > taste and budget. NIC and sound card - most today's motherboard
have
 > them included, unless you need multiple network connections or pro
 > quality sound.
 >
<font color=purple> > Also check <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2122</font" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2122</font</a>>
 > It's above your price range, but without monitor, speakers, with
less
 > fancy case it should fit. Also note that the prices at Anand's are
a
 > bit higher than on pricewatch.

Hi Dude,

Thank you for your interesting suggestion and specifications. It looks
like a viable choice, however over in this part of the world the AMD
64 is still slightly pricey USD$200 for AMD 64 2800+. I will probably
have to make do with my AMD K7 600mhz Embarassed until September…….dam
Crying or Very sad !

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Tony Hill

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:16 pm
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:46:09 -0400, JK <JK9821.DeleteThis@netscape.net> wrote:
 >Why not go for an Athlon 64 instead? The Athlon 64 3000+ is only slightly
 >more expensive than the P4 2.8C. There is also an Athlon 64 2800+
 >which is very close in price to the P4 2.8 C.

The Athlon64 2800+ might just be able to squeeze into the price point
that the original poster suggested, though it would be tough. I see
that Newegg.com actually lists the 2800+ for $14 less than the P4 2.8C
($165 vs. $179), however when you factor in the cost of a decent
motherboard then the Intel solution comes out ahead.

My main reason for not recommending the Athlon64 line is that, until
the release of the nForce3 250 chipset, I really hadn't been at all
impressed with what I've seen in the way of motherboards. I trust VIA
to make a stable product about as far as I could throw the entire
company, while nVidia's first go of these seemed rather half-hearted.
The nForce3 250 seems like a decent solution, and it's starting to be
fairly widely available, but it still carries a price premium.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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George Macdonald

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:27 pm
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:16:57 -0400, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20.TakeThisOut@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

 >On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:46:09 -0400, JK <JK9821.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> wrote:
  >>Why not go for an Athlon 64 instead? The Athlon 64 3000+ is only slightly
  >>more expensive than the P4 2.8C. There is also an Athlon 64 2800+
  >>which is very close in price to the P4 2.8 C.
 >
 >The Athlon64 2800+ might just be able to squeeze into the price point
 >that the original poster suggested, though it would be tough. I see
 >that Newegg.com actually lists the 2800+ for $14 less than the P4 2.8C
 >($165 vs. $179), however when you factor in the cost of a decent
 >motherboard then the Intel solution comes out ahead.
 >
 >My main reason for not recommending the Athlon64 line is that, until
 >the release of the nForce3 250 chipset, I really hadn't been at all
 >impressed with what I've seen in the way of motherboards. I trust VIA
 >to make a stable product about as far as I could throw the entire
 >company, while nVidia's first go of these seemed rather half-hearted.
 >The nForce3 250 seems like a decent solution, and it's starting to be
 >fairly widely available, but it still carries a price premium.

The VIA based K8 boards seem to be working fine and the prices are coming
down fast with the intro of nForce3/250, as is the price on the
Athlon64/754 with the intro of the 939s. Funny but I don't recall seeing
such a wide spread on mbrd prices from intro to general availability as
I've been seeing recently on K8 mbrds. The price on K8s has also been
holding well until the next widget comes along - something new for AMD
CPUs... and a good sign.

I haven't put any exotic cards into a VIA based K8 mbrd yet and I'll
probably never have to, but I haven't seen any problems or performance
issues with them. The fact that much of what would constitute a North
Bridge, the memory controller/interface/arbitration, is now on the CPU die
certainly reduces the scope for a chipset mfr to screw things up. From
what I'm reading it's also reducing the scope for mbrd mfrs to
differentiate product based on timings and overclocking potential.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:10 am
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:16:57 -0400, Tony Hill
<hilla_nospam_20.DeleteThis@yahoo.ca> wrote:

 >On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:46:09 -0400, JK <JK9821.DeleteThis@netscape.net> wrote:
  >>Why not go for an Athlon 64 instead? The Athlon 64 3000+ is only slightly
  >>more expensive than the P4 2.8C. There is also an Athlon 64 2800+
  >>which is very close in price to the P4 2.8 C.
 >
 >The Athlon64 2800+ might just be able to squeeze into the price point
 >that the original poster suggested, though it would be tough. I see
 >that Newegg.com actually lists the 2800+ for $14 less than the P4 2.8C
 >($165 vs. $179), however when you factor in the cost of a decent
 >motherboard then the Intel solution comes out ahead.
 >
 >My main reason for not recommending the Athlon64 line is that, until
 >the release of the nForce3 250 chipset, I really hadn't been at all
 >impressed with what I've seen in the way of motherboards. I trust VIA
 >to make a stable product about as far as I could throw the entire
 >company, while nVidia's first go of these seemed rather half-hearted.
 >The nForce3 250 seems like a decent solution, and it's starting to be
 >fairly widely available, but it still carries a price premium.
 >
 >-------------
 >Tony Hill
 >hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

While VIA is not synonymous with stability, I have yet to see anything
abnormal with my MSI K8T Master2-FAR. I am running it since May with
2xOpreron 242, and it seems to be rock solid, so MSI's claim of it
being a server-class board is quite well-founded, at least
stability-wise (though to me it seems more like entry-level
workstation rather than server - it sports an AGP slot while lacks
PCI-X, onboard SCSI, and other high end attributes).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:35 pm
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RusH <logistyka1 DeleteThis @pf.pl> wrote:

 >Johannes H Andersen
 ><johs DeleteThis @sizefitterwiuiuienuivwuivzouvwvuoveswernuaz.com> wrote :
 >
  >> There is no BMW 536i !
 >
 >Sure there is (was), M5 with 3.6 engine.

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:11 am
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"kennos" <ken DeleteThis @kennos-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:40ff8417$1_6@news.athenanews.com...
 > Hi,
 > I am upgrading my PC, can you guys enlighten me on which processor to
 > chose from. Should I go for AMD Athlon XP 2600 or Intel 2.8E HT???
 > Could you please suggest 1) motherboard 2) video card to go with your
 > suggestion? I am not a heavy gaming person, I do some home video
 > editing and I basically have a limited Crying or Very sad budget ($700).
 >
 > Thank you for the help Very Happy .
 >
 > ==============
 > Posted through <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.HowToFixComputers.com/bb" target="_blank">www.HowToFixComputers.com/bb</a> - free access to hardware
 > troubleshooting newsgroups.

Might as well toss this out there:

I upgraded mine fairly recently (2 months ago). Not a complete new system,
an upgrade.

I purchased a Gigabyte Motherboard (GA-7N400Pro2), which is for Athlon XP,
using nForce2 chipset, 4 DIMMs for PC-3200 dual channel RAM, 2 SATA ports,
RAID (on SATA), RAID (on seperate IDE) [okay, basically, you can have 10
drives (HD + CD/DVD) out of the box], Firewire, Gigabit LAN, 5.1 channel
audio (w/ coaxial & optical output attachment 'card' -- it just connects to
the headers on the board).

Then I got an Athlon XP 3000+ / 400MHz bus. I chose it because of the
400MHz bus. While a 3000+ / 333MHz bus is actually 66MHz faster, I figured
a faster bus = faster RAM = faster everything. After all, why would they
call it a 3000+ if it can run 66MHz slower than another thing they call a
3000+ [okay, not a good logic to follow, since it can be wrong], and also
because of its larger 512K L2 cache (larger than the T-Bred).

I got 512MB of RAM. I chose OCZ Performance series, simply because it
seemed good, and it had pretty good latancies (2-3-3-6) for the price (256MB
for $55). Naturally, I wanted dual channel so I got two of them instead of
a dual kit [I don't know if thats a good idea either, I ended up sending one
back because of errors, dunno if it is because of the DIMM itself or because
of the dual channel configuration, I didn't actually bother to do that much
testing, though I should have].

With all this hungry stuff, I needed a new (quieter) Power Supply. I chose
a Coolmax Taurus 450W, single 120MM fan with hi-lo-auto switch (it is
actually the loudest component, and its pretty quiet).

toss in a neat little 3-speed fan (max 21dB), and a $30 heatsink/fan (max
21dB...getting the whole quiet idea?). With shipping it was right around
$460, IIRC (which I think I do).

Anyways, that's all I needed since I was keeping the video card/hard drives
(dual 120GB 8MB cache 7200RPM Seagates [quiet as heck, even with the RAID0
accessing stuff constantly, I still never hear it over my fans....which are
quiet], CD-RW/DVD±RW/DVD-ROM drives (3 of them)/TV tuner -- a must have Smile ,
case, monitor, all the rest of teh stuff (kb/mou/print/scan).

Anyways, for <$500 I was able to achieve this. Shortly thereafetr a friend
desired a new PC (brand new -- needs everything), I was able to build
something very similar for <$1200. And that included an $80 case, and a
$200 video card, a 160GB SATA drive, 17" CRT monitor, and a $120 DVD burner
(~$120 anyways).

Oh, yes, and I didn't bother to read through the rest of the posts which
seems to have started a delightful Intel vs AMD war again, perhaps, but I
did pick up on some things. It seems as if some believe you can't get SATA
on AMD's XP platform, nor can you have dual channel on any AMD platform.
Both of these are wrong. My friend uses the SATA drive solely, so obviously
it is implemented on the board (albeit from a 3rd part controller chip), and
both of us are using dual channel 512MB PC-3200 RAM (although with the bus
having the bandwidth of single channel, this is in theory rather dumb, but
it does give more bandwidth). IIRC, his memory timings are slightly better
than my 2-3-3-6 timings.

To be fair, we must not compare CPUs based on performance. Surely an Intel
3.4EE will trounce anything AMD has to offer, even I as an AMD loyalist must
admit that. But, for the $1000 or so that CPU costs, you could devise
something with dual CPUs from AMD that should be able to trounce the 3.4EE,
simply because AMD is cheaper. Don't compare a 3000+ to a 3GHz, compare teh
3000+ @ $150 to the 2.6GHz (OEM) @ $150 or the 2.4 (Retail) @ $150. Surely,
the 3000+ is more than able to beat a 2.6, and more thoroughly so a 2.4.
Therefore, when buying on a budget don't look for what will necessarily be
the best upgrade path (which right now would be either an AMD Athlon 64, or
a P4 LGA 775 w/ PCI Express), but what's the most bang for the buck. Even a
new P4 LGA 775 w/ PCI Express motherboard will become antiquated when you
find that your 3.2GHz CPU that goes with it is too slow, so that doesn't
make much sense.

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