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Lacey Lovelace

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:57 pm
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Can anyone assist please. ..
I been doing some DVD to AVI converts and the temperature of my CPU has
risen from about 43C to 60C
I thought I would check the fan in the case (at the rear) and it does not
seem to work.
I haven't got my instruction book so cant check to see if it is connected
properly Sad
I do not do any voltage changes etc, could anyone please advise me if they
think the case fan (not psu fan) should be on and secondly which hole should
it connect to on the motherboard

TIA

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:05 pm
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Lacey Lovelace wrote:
> Can anyone assist please. ..
> I been doing some DVD to AVI converts and the temperature of my CPU has
> risen from about 43C to 60C
> I thought I would check the fan in the case (at the rear) and it does
> not seem to work.
> I haven't got my instruction book so cant check to see if it is
> connected properly Sad
> I do not do any voltage changes etc, could anyone please advise me if
> they think the case fan (not psu fan) should be on and secondly which
> hole should it connect to on the motherboard
>
> TIA

The rear fan appears to be equipped with a Molex 1x4 for power. The
fan should run at full speed, if that is where it gets power. You need
to plug it into a disk drive power connector, so it can get the +12V
it needs. The "Tricool" fan is also apparently equipped with a switch,
and the factory sets it to "slow" by default. Move it to a faster
position, to make it more useful.

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/SonataII_En.pdf
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/217/3/

To aid in cooling on the original Sonata, I removed the lower plastic bezel.
And the removable filter that slides down from the bottom of that case.
That leaves four oval holes in the front of the case, and will help
if the rear fan is a powerful one. I replaced the rear fan with a
monster I got at a local electronics store.

I seem to remember people discussing the ducting in your computer
case, and maybe things will work better with it removed. As long
as there is vent space and a place to mount a fan, then it is possible
to improve the cooling.

Paul

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:06 pm
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"Lacey Lovelace" <laceylovelace247 RemoveThis @deletethishotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone assist please. ..
> I been doing some DVD to AVI converts and the temperature of my CPU has
> risen from about 43C to 60C
> I thought I would check the fan in the case (at the rear) and it does not
> seem to work.
> I haven't got my instruction book so cant check to see if it is connected
> properly Sad
> I do not do any voltage changes etc, could anyone please advise me if they
> think the case fan (not psu fan) should be on and secondly which hole
> should it connect to on the motherboard
>
> TIA

The case fan does connect with a 4 pin Molex/hard drive
connector. The PSU provides a set of "Fan Only" connectors
that can be "speed" controlled by the PSU. Be sure to set the
Tricool fan to high, if you are connecting it to a controlled circuit
like the "Fan Only" connector.

What CPU do you have? What cooling are you using for
the CPU, the stock cooler?

The manual is nine pages, repeated in five languages.

If you are using the air duct, you need to have it setup
correctly. Either no fans or just the CPU fan and no VGA
fan or both fans installed. You can't have just the VGA
fan.

Luck;
Ken
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:56 am
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Thanks all for your replies and help
Might be acting or acted like a dumb blonde here Sad

Opened case up; yes the 120mm fan has a molex 4 pin
connection..................I had it connected to a red and black cable
(with two way 4 pin molex connections) that went to the front of the case.
I then connected it to one of the 4 pin molex connections that came out of
the psu and hey presto the fan started.
I have set it to low. Just for peoples information, all things being equal
it has reduced my CPU temperature by about 5c (43C to 38C).
Two questions please about the fan, firstly is the white cable that sets it
to LMH (low medium high) supposed to go in the case or outside, if outside
how do you get it there without squashing the white cable. My second
question is, is the fan (120mm rear) thermastatically controlled or will it
just spin at the same speed (pending what settings I have it on ..LMH)

I have an Intel E6600 with the supplied fan that came with
it..................in fairness that is very quiet.

Here are my details:- 34e - 22 - 32 LOL
and here are my PC details


Operating System System Model
Windows Vista Business (build 6000) No details available
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
2.40 gigahertz Intel Core 2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5B-Deluxe Rev 1.xx
Bus Clock: 266 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1004 01/22/2007
Drives Memory Modules c,d
413.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
272.01 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

DVD DUAL GO-W1616B ATA Device [CD-ROM drive]
3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]

Maxtor 6Y160M0 ATA Device [Hard drive] (163.92 GB) -- drive 1
ST3250620AS [Hard drive] (250.06 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 5QF2M1TS, rev 3.AAE,
SMART Status: Healthy 2048 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 1024 MB (serial number SerNum0)
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 1024 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 42.44 GB 15.04 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 41.94 GB 35.31 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 53.48 GB 34.63 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 112.20 GB 46.15 GB free
g: (NTFS on drive 1) 84.23 GB 67.66 GB free
h: (NTFS on drive 1) 79.69 GB 73.23 GB free

NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS [Display adapter]
NEC LCD1850E [Monitor] (18.2"vis, s/n 201103516, January 2002)
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:56 am
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Lacey Lovelace wrote:
> Thanks all for your replies and help
> Might be acting or acted like a dumb blonde here Sad
>
> Opened case up; yes the 120mm fan has a molex 4 pin
> connection..................I had it connected to a red and black cable
> (with two way 4 pin molex connections) that went to the front of the case.
> I then connected it to one of the 4 pin molex connections that came out
> of the psu and hey presto the fan started.
> I have set it to low. Just for peoples information, all things being
> equal it has reduced my CPU temperature by about 5c (43C to 38C).
> Two questions please about the fan, firstly is the white cable that sets
> it to LMH (low medium high) supposed to go in the case or outside, if
> outside how do you get it there without squashing the white cable. My
> second question is, is the fan (120mm rear) thermastatically controlled
> or will it just spin at the same speed (pending what settings I have it
> on ..LMH)
>
> I have an Intel E6600 with the supplied fan that came with
> it..................in fairness that is very quiet.
>
> Here are my details:- 34e - 22 - 32 LOL
> and here are my PC details
>
>
> Operating System System Model
> Windows Vista Business (build 6000) No details available
> Processor a Main Circuit Board b
> 2.40 gigahertz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 64 kilobyte primary memory cache
> 4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
> P5B-Deluxe Rev 1.xx
> Bus Clock: 266 megahertz
> BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1004 01/22/2007
> Drives Memory Modules c,d
> 413.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
> 272.01 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
>
> DVD DUAL GO-W1616B ATA Device [CD-ROM drive]
> 3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]
>
> Maxtor 6Y160M0 ATA Device [Hard drive] (163.92 GB) -- drive 1
> ST3250620AS [Hard drive] (250.06 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 5QF2M1TS, rev
> 3.AAE, SMART Status: Healthy 2048 Megabytes Installed Memory
>
> Slot 'DIMM0' has 1024 MB (serial number SerNum0)
> Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
> Slot 'DIMM2' has 1024 MB
> Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
> Local Drive Volumes
>
> c: (NTFS on drive 0) 42.44 GB 15.04 GB free
> d: (NTFS on drive 0) 41.94 GB 35.31 GB free
> e: (NTFS on drive 0) 53.48 GB 34.63 GB free
> f: (NTFS on drive 0) 112.20 GB 46.15 GB free
> g: (NTFS on drive 1) 84.23 GB 67.66 GB free
> h: (NTFS on drive 1) 79.69 GB 73.23 GB free
>
> NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS [Display adapter]
> NEC LCD1850E [Monitor] (18.2"vis, s/n 201103516, January 2002)
>

Your CPU fan should be temperature sensitive. Usually the
Intel retail CPU fan has a temperature sensor in the hub, and it
responds to the air temperature of the case. As the room temp
gets hotter, you might hear the CPU fan speed up. (With options
like Q-fan in the BIOS, it is possible to add a further level of
control to the CPU fan. Q-fan allows trading off CPU cooling
ability, for quiet.)

The description of the "Tricool 80" case fan here, makes no
mention of temperature sensing. Just the switch for LMH.

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=75080

Depending on the size of the LMH switch, you may be able to
remove a PCI slot cover, and shove it through there. Personally,
I'd just leave the switch inside the case. On the computers I've built
here that have fan speed adjustments, I only set them once,
and usually to a noisier level than other people would like.

Paul
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:19 pm
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"Paul" <nospam.RemoveThis@needed.com> wrote in message news:f33cf7$3l3$1@aioe.org...
> Lacey Lovelace wrote:
>> Thanks all for your replies and help
>> Might be acting or acted like a dumb blonde here Sad
>>
>> Opened case up; yes the 120mm fan has a molex 4 pin
>> connection..................I had it connected to a red and black cable
>> (with two way 4 pin molex connections) that went to the front of the
>> case.
>> I then connected it to one of the 4 pin molex connections that came out
>> of the psu and hey presto the fan started.
>> I have set it to low. Just for peoples information, all things being
>> equal it has reduced my CPU temperature by about 5c (43C to 38C).
>> Two questions please about the fan, firstly is the white cable that sets
>> it to LMH (low medium high) supposed to go in the case or outside, if
>> outside how do you get it there without squashing the white cable. My
>> second question is, is the fan (120mm rear) thermastatically controlled
>> or will it just spin at the same speed (pending what settings I have it
>> on ..LMH)
>>
>> I have an Intel E6600 with the supplied fan that came with
>> it..................in fairness that is very quiet.
>>
>> Here are my details:- 34e - 22 - 32 LOL
>> and here are my PC details
>>
>>
>> Operating System System Model
>> Windows Vista Business (build 6000) No details available
>> Processor a Main Circuit Board b
>> 2.40 gigahertz Intel Core 2 Duo
>> 64 kilobyte primary memory cache
>> 4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
>> P5B-Deluxe Rev 1.xx
>> Bus Clock: 266 megahertz
>> BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1004 01/22/2007
>> Drives Memory Modules c,d
>> 413.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
>> 272.01 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
>>
>> DVD DUAL GO-W1616B ATA Device [CD-ROM drive]
>> 3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]
>>
>> Maxtor 6Y160M0 ATA Device [Hard drive] (163.92 GB) -- drive 1
>> ST3250620AS [Hard drive] (250.06 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 5QF2M1TS, rev 3.AAE,
>> SMART Status: Healthy 2048 Megabytes Installed Memory
>>
>> Slot 'DIMM0' has 1024 MB (serial number SerNum0)
>> Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
>> Slot 'DIMM2' has 1024 MB
>> Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
>> Local Drive Volumes
>>
>> c: (NTFS on drive 0) 42.44 GB 15.04 GB free
>> d: (NTFS on drive 0) 41.94 GB 35.31 GB free
>> e: (NTFS on drive 0) 53.48 GB 34.63 GB free
>> f: (NTFS on drive 0) 112.20 GB 46.15 GB free
>> g: (NTFS on drive 1) 84.23 GB 67.66 GB free
>> h: (NTFS on drive 1) 79.69 GB 73.23 GB free
>>
>> NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS [Display adapter]
>> NEC LCD1850E [Monitor] (18.2"vis, s/n 201103516, January 2002)
>>
>
> Your CPU fan should be temperature sensitive. Usually the
> Intel retail CPU fan has a temperature sensor in the hub, and it
> responds to the air temperature of the case. As the room temp
> gets hotter, you might hear the CPU fan speed up. (With options
> like Q-fan in the BIOS, it is possible to add a further level of
> control to the CPU fan. Q-fan allows trading off CPU cooling
> ability, for quiet.)
>
> The description of the "Tricool 80" case fan here, makes no
> mention of temperature sensing. Just the switch for LMH.
>
> http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=75080
>
> Depending on the size of the LMH switch, you may be able to
> remove a PCI slot cover, and shove it through there. Personally,
> I'd just leave the switch inside the case. On the computers I've built
> here that have fan speed adjustments, I only set them once,
> and usually to a noisier level than other people would like.
>
> Paul


The Antec Sonata II comes with a power supply that provides
"Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors. The fans you plug into that
circuit are controlled be a temp sensor in the PSU. The Tricool
fan requires 5V to start up, so you should set it to High, if you
plug it into a "Fan Only" connector. Then even if the PSU is
reducing the voltage to the fan(s), there will still be enough volts
to start the fan. The fan will come on when the system heats up
and increase in speed as the temp. rises, due to the voltage being
supplied by the PSU. It is a large, relatively quiet fan and should
not be running at full speed very often.

Luck;
Ken

P.S. That Red&Black cable is probably there to supply
power for the blue accent lights on each side of the cover
for the front USB, Firewire, and Sound connections. You
would plug power from the PSU into one on the connectors
on the end of the Red&Black wires, and the other connector
into a drive to power it.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:09 am
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
>
> The Antec Sonata II comes with a power supply that provides
> "Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors. The fans you plug into that
> circuit are controlled be a temp sensor in the PSU. The Tricool
> fan requires 5V to start up, so you should set it to High, if you
> plug it into a "Fan Only" connector. Then even if the PSU is
> reducing the voltage to the fan(s), there will still be enough volts
> to start the fan. The fan will come on when the system heats up
> and increase in speed as the temp. rises, due to the voltage being
> supplied by the PSU. It is a large, relatively quiet fan and should
> not be running at full speed very often.
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
> P.S. That Red&Black cable is probably there to supply
> power for the blue accent lights on each side of the cover
> for the front USB, Firewire, and Sound connections. You
> would plug power from the PSU into one on the connectors
> on the end of the Red&Black wires, and the other connector
> into a drive to power it.
>
>
Ken

Thank you so much for your time.
Yes you are correct the Red & Black cable is the blue accent lights on
either side of the USB etc at the front Smile

Have I misunderstood you; you say "The Antec Sonata II comes with a power
supply that provides
"Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors. " Am I correct in saying ANY of the 4
pin molex connectors from the PSU can plug into this rear fan, or am I
looking for a connector that says 'fan only' (If that is the case they all
look the same to me and can't see one for fan only).

I have a black/blue cable from the PSU that plugs into the motherboard (near
the IEEE 1394 connection); am I correct in thinking this will enable me to
reduce/increase voltage if necessary.

At the moment I have the fan set on L (Low) and it automatically starts up
as soon as the PC is turned on..............it is very quiet Smile

Once again thanks for you help

xxxx
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:09 am
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Lacey Lovelace wrote:
>
> "Ken Maltby" <kmaltby RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:W5-dnVE0WNehSsjbnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>
>>
>> The Antec Sonata II comes with a power supply that provides
>> "Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors. The fans you plug into that
>> circuit are controlled be a temp sensor in the PSU. The Tricool
>> fan requires 5V to start up, so you should set it to High, if you
>> plug it into a "Fan Only" connector. Then even if the PSU is
>> reducing the voltage to the fan(s), there will still be enough volts
>> to start the fan. The fan will come on when the system heats up
>> and increase in speed as the temp. rises, due to the voltage being
>> supplied by the PSU. It is a large, relatively quiet fan and should
>> not be running at full speed very often.
>>
>> Luck;
>> Ken
>>
>> P.S. That Red&Black cable is probably there to supply
>> power for the blue accent lights on each side of the cover
>> for the front USB, Firewire, and Sound connections. You
>> would plug power from the PSU into one on the connectors
>> on the end of the Red&Black wires, and the other connector
>> into a drive to power it.
>>
>>
> Ken
>
> Thank you so much for your time.
> Yes you are correct the Red & Black cable is the blue accent lights on
> either side of the USB etc at the front Smile
>
> Have I misunderstood you; you say "The Antec Sonata II comes with a
> power supply that provides
> "Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors. " Am I correct in saying ANY of the 4
> pin molex connectors from the PSU can plug into this rear fan, or am I
> looking for a connector that says 'fan only' (If that is the case they
> all look the same to me and can't see one for fan only).
>
> I have a black/blue cable from the PSU that plugs into the motherboard
> (near the IEEE 1394 connection); am I correct in thinking this will
> enable me to reduce/increase voltage if necessary.
>
> At the moment I have the fan set on L (Low) and it automatically starts
> up as soon as the PC is turned on..............it is very quiet Smile
>
> Once again thanks for you help
>
> xxxx
>

I have an Antec supply with that feature in my current computer case.

There are two kinds of Molex connectors. The full 1x4 disk drive
connector has +12V, GND, GND, +5V, a total of four wires. If you
connect that to the fan, the fan uses the +12V and a GND and the
fan runs at full speed.

There are a couple of brown 1x4 connectors, but they only have two
wires, and the wires are pretty thin. The wire colors are yellow
and black. The body of the connector has printed on it, "fan only".

When the power supply is running, it measures the internal
power supply temperature. The fan inside the power supply is
speed adjusted, for the temperature. In addition, the voltage
is sent outside the PSU, and that same voltage is put on the
"fan only" connectors. What that means, is if you connect a
chassis fan to the "fan only", the chassis fan will speed up,
every time that the internal PSU fan speeds up (which in my
case is almost never).

Most of the time, the "fan only" connector will be delivering
less than the full 12V, meaning the fan will not be running
at full speed. If you set the "Tricool" switch to L, there
may no longer be enough voltage to make the fan spin, if you
power the fan from "fan only".

OK. I just got out my multimeter and measured the voltage on
"fan only". It is currently 6.71 volts, and not even near
the full 12V. So a fan running from that, is going to run
pretty slow. And the Tricool switch can make it even slower.

If you want full fan performance, use a real disk drive connector
1x4 as the power source. Using the Tricool switch, you can
have one of three fixed operating speeds for the fan.

If you want the chassis fan to run real slow, and be under
the control of the PSU, *then* use the "Fan Only" connector.
The Tricool setting would apply in addition to what the PSU
is doing. I would set the Tricool to "H", and then let the
PSU do its thing, if you decide to use the "Fan Only" connector.
But at least in my case, the PSU never really speeds up the
fan, so it would effectively be a fixed speed most of the time
anyway.

The blue and black fan monitor cable, with 1x3 header on the
end, is for monitoring only. It does not control the PSU
fan speed. The blue wire is the tachometer output from the
PSU fan, and the black wire is ground.

Now, I'll make up a few examples. First with a full disk drive connector.

+-------------------+
Full +12 ---------------------| Tricool |---Fan
Molex GND ---------------------| 12/12, 9/12, 7/12 |---Motor
GND ----x not used +-------------------+
+5V ----x by fan

In this case 12V * (12/12) = 12V for high.
12V * ( 9/12) = 9V for medium.
12V * ( 7/12) = 7V for low.

Fan motors need a minimum of anywhere from 5 to 7 volts to spin.
The actual value varies with the motor design.

Now an example with the "Fan Only" connector as power source.

+-------------------+
"Fan 6.71V ---------------------| Tricool |---Fan
Only" GND ---------------------| 12/12, 9/12, 7/12 |---Motor
GND (no +-------------------+
+5V wires)

In this case 6.71V * (12/12) = 6.71V for high (i.e. pretty slow)
6.71V * ( 9/12) = 5.03V for medium (fan not spinning???)
6.71V * ( 7/12) = 3.91V for low (fan not spinning)

I hope you can see in the last example, why I am recommending only
the "H" setting for Tricool, if using the "Fan Only" connector.

Paul
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:42 am
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"Paul" <nospam.DeleteThis@needed.com> wrote in message news:f361un$ul3$1@aioe.org...
>>
>
> I have an Antec supply with that feature in my current computer case.
>
> There are two kinds of Molex connectors. The full 1x4 disk drive
> connector has +12V, GND, GND, +5V, a total of four wires. If you
> connect that to the fan, the fan uses the +12V and a GND and the
> fan runs at full speed.
>
> There are a couple of brown 1x4 connectors, but they only have two
> wires, and the wires are pretty thin. The wire colors are yellow
> and black. The body of the connector has printed on it, "fan only".
>
> When the power supply is running, it measures the internal
> power supply temperature. The fan inside the power supply is
> speed adjusted, for the temperature. In addition, the voltage
> is sent outside the PSU, and that same voltage is put on the
> "fan only" connectors. What that means, is if you connect a
> chassis fan to the "fan only", the chassis fan will speed up,
> every time that the internal PSU fan speeds up (which in my
> case is almost never).
>
> Most of the time, the "fan only" connector will be delivering
> less than the full 12V, meaning the fan will not be running
> at full speed. If you set the "Tricool" switch to L, there
> may no longer be enough voltage to make the fan spin, if you
> power the fan from "fan only".
>
> OK. I just got out my multimeter and measured the voltage on
> "fan only". It is currently 6.71 volts, and not even near
> the full 12V. So a fan running from that, is going to run
> pretty slow. And the Tricool switch can make it even slower.
>
> If you want full fan performance, use a real disk drive connector
> 1x4 as the power source. Using the Tricool switch, you can
> have one of three fixed operating speeds for the fan.
>
> If you want the chassis fan to run real slow, and be under
> the control of the PSU, *then* use the "Fan Only" connector.
> The Tricool setting would apply in addition to what the PSU
> is doing. I would set the Tricool to "H", and then let the
> PSU do its thing, if you decide to use the "Fan Only" connector.
> But at least in my case, the PSU never really speeds up the
> fan, so it would effectively be a fixed speed most of the time
> anyway.
>
> The blue and black fan monitor cable, with 1x3 header on the
> end, is for monitoring only. It does not control the PSU
> fan speed. The blue wire is the tachometer output from the
> PSU fan, and the black wire is ground.
>
> Now, I'll make up a few examples. First with a full disk drive connector.
>
> +-------------------+
> Full +12 ---------------------| Tricool |---Fan
> Molex GND ---------------------| 12/12, 9/12, 7/12 |---Motor
> GND ----x not used +-------------------+
> +5V ----x by fan
>
> In this case 12V * (12/12) = 12V for high.
> 12V * ( 9/12) = 9V for medium.
> 12V * ( 7/12) = 7V for low.
>
> Fan motors need a minimum of anywhere from 5 to 7 volts to spin.
> The actual value varies with the motor design.
>
> Now an example with the "Fan Only" connector as power source.
>
> +-------------------+
> "Fan 6.71V ---------------------| Tricool |---Fan
> Only" GND ---------------------| 12/12, 9/12, 7/12 |---Motor
> GND (no +-------------------+
> +5V wires)
>
> In this case 6.71V * (12/12) = 6.71V for high (i.e. pretty slow)
> 6.71V * ( 9/12) = 5.03V for medium (fan not spinning???)
> 6.71V * ( 7/12) = 3.91V for low (fan not spinning)
>
> I hope you can see in the last example, why I am recommending only
> the "H" setting for Tricool, if using the "Fan Only" connector.
>
> Paul

Thank you so much for your time and detailed reply. To be perfectly honest,
although I think I can see what you are getting at, a lot of it was way over
my head.
Any way once again I opened my case and mine is obviously different from
yours and maybe others.
Apart from the two main connectors (ATX) that go to the motherboard I only
have the following coming from the PSU

1 Black/Blue cable that plugs into motherboard (fan)
2 Two x SATA (with two connectors on each)
3 One x 6 wire block PCI-E (not used)
4 One x 4 wire (2 black1 yellow, 1 red) to 4 pin molex, then to another 4
pin molex, then to the floppy drive
5 One x 4 wire (2 black1 yellow, 1 red) to 4 pin molex, then to another 4
pin molex, then to another 4 pin molex.

NONE of the molex connectors have FAN ONLY Sad

When I connect the 120mm fan to any of the 4 pin molex connectors FROM the
PSU the fan will turn on at start up and run all the time (it appears at the
same speed); obviously if I change it to M or H it will go faster.

The only other 4 pin molex connector I have is associated with the front
blue light.
The cable is 2wire (red/black) which goes to a 4 min molex and then has 4
wires (2 black 1 yellow 1 red) which goes to another 4 pin molex. Do you
think I should plug the 120mm cable into that?

Thanks for your help and sorry to take your time up
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:09 pm
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:19:37 -0500, Ken Maltby wrote:

> The Antec Sonata II comes with a power supply that provides
> "Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors.

It doesn't, actually.
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"Anthony Horan" <anthonyhoran.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:19:37 -0500, Ken Maltby wrote:
>
>> The Antec Sonata II comes with a power supply that provides
>> "Fan Only" 4 pin Molex connectors.
>
> It doesn't, actually.

I checked it again and you are right. The SmartPower 2 doesn't
have the "Fan Only", I was thinking of the TruePower series which
I have also used in the Sonata II case.

So there is no temp. controlled fans for the Sonata II (besides one
of the two in the PSU.) unless you buy such a controller, yourself.
If you are using the PSU that comes with it (and that Antec claims
they designed the case around.)

There is a reference in the User's Manual to advise how to setup
the Tricool fan, if you were using a controller or "the "Fan-Only"
connector found on some Antec power supplies." [page 7]

Sorry for any confusion I may have introduced. Just plug the
fan into any of the standard 4-pin Molex power connectors.
If you are getting all the cooling you need on the Low setting
that would be the quietest.

Luck;
Ken
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>
> Sorry for any confusion I may have introduced.
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>

Lucky you apologised, I was about to put you over my knee and spank you Smile
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