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Cyde Weys

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:32 pm
Post subject: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro _dying_?
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It seems like my 9800 Pro is dying. The problems first started roughly
when I updated to Catalyst 5.8 drivers. Textures would simply start
disappearing or warping to really strange colors starting at around 10
minutes of gameplay. Quitting the game and reloading seemed to fix
that, but who only plays games for ten minutes at a time? So I
reverted to the 5.7 drivers. It's not quite so bad anymore, but I
still get the problem.

What is going on? My 9800 Pro worked for over a year before these
problems started showing up. Do you think I'm having an overheating
problem? I did replace the stock fan it came with with a large
fan-type dealie that takes up a whole PCI slot, and I was overclocking
for awhile. I got these problems and stopped overclocking, but it's
not seeming to help.

How do I tell if my GPU is overheating, anyway? Is there a temperature
probe like there is with CPUs?

Thanks for the help!

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:55 am
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"Cyde Weys" <cydeweys.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127431971.836433.260480@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> It seems like my 9800 Pro is dying. The problems first started roughly
> when I updated to Catalyst 5.8 drivers. Textures would simply start
> disappearing or warping to really strange colors starting at around 10
> minutes of gameplay. Quitting the game and reloading seemed to fix
> that, but who only plays games for ten minutes at a time? So I
> reverted to the 5.7 drivers. It's not quite so bad anymore, but I
> still get the problem.
>
> What is going on? My 9800 Pro worked for over a year before these
> problems started showing up. Do you think I'm having an overheating
> problem? I did replace the stock fan it came with with a large
> fan-type dealie that takes up a whole PCI slot, and I was overclocking
> for awhile. I got these problems and stopped overclocking, but it's
> not seeming to help.
>
> How do I tell if my GPU is overheating, anyway? Is there a temperature
> probe like there is with CPUs?
>
> Thanks for the help!

Ive had texture problems like you describe with most of the 5 series
Catalysts and several ppl on the Rage3D forums have posted that the newer
Cats from 5.6 onwards make your card run hotter. Go back to the good old
4.12s and see if your card runs better. Run it stock speeds of course and if
it seems clear then try ocing. Also a regular check and clean up of your
machine may help - the heatsinks do tend to clogged up with dust.

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Cyde Weys

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:26 am
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kony wrote:

> As for your aftermarket fan (is it the heatsink too)?

Yeah, I have the RAM heatsinks too.

> I presume you've checked to make sure fan is still spinning
> at proper speed. If it's using a cheap sleeve-bearing fan
> it would be good to lube that fan _before_ it starts making
> noise due to chewing up the bearing, with a high quality
> moderately thick oil (almost grease consistency).

Yeah, funny thing ... errmm ... there's apparently a power switch for
the aftermarket videocard fan. I guess when I moved my computer around
I must've flipped it, because I just turned it back on and my problems
seem to have disappeared.

Who in the hell makes a power switch for your video card fan, anyway?!
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Alceryes

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:55 pm
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I've got the 9700Pro with a nice aftermarket wrap-around heatsink and fan. I
used to be able to run it at 9800Pro speeds but now even at stock speeds
it'll sometimes (1 out of 25 starts) boot up with black vertical bands. I
just quickly turn it off (just rebooting doesn't fix) and back on and it
usually runs fine. If I don't see the bands on the initial boot it'll run
perfect (at 9700Pro speeds). I'm guessing one of these boots I'll see black
bands and not be able to correct them by turning it off and back on, but
this card has served me better than any I've ever had so I can't really
complain.
....anyway, yes, you may have damaged your card slightly by OC'ing. But I'd
try some of the older Cat's and give your case and fans a good cleaning
before sending it out to pasture.
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"Cyde Weys" <cydeweys DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127431971.836433.260480@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> It seems like my 9800 Pro is dying. The problems first started roughly
> when I updated to Catalyst 5.8 drivers. Textures would simply start
> disappearing or warping to really strange colors starting at around 10
> minutes of gameplay. Quitting the game and reloading seemed to fix
> that, but who only plays games for ten minutes at a time? So I
> reverted to the 5.7 drivers. It's not quite so bad anymore, but I
> still get the problem.
>
> What is going on? My 9800 Pro worked for over a year before these
> problems started showing up. Do you think I'm having an overheating
> problem? I did replace the stock fan it came with with a large
> fan-type dealie that takes up a whole PCI slot, and I was overclocking
> for awhile. I got these problems and stopped overclocking, but it's
> not seeming to help.
>
> How do I tell if my GPU is overheating, anyway? Is there a temperature
> probe like there is with CPUs?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:15 pm
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kony wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 08:28:02 -0700, "Cyde Weys"
> <cydeweys.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Sooo ... any suggestions on a new videocard? I don't want to spend
> >tooooo much.
>
> I'd get a 6800 (non-LE, non-GT) and try to unlock it and o'c
> it till the wheels fell off. Seems hard to justify an
> expensive AGP based card these days though.

Just browsing on NewEgg I see that the cheapest cards based on the 6800
chipset are AGP and the more expensive ones are PCI Express. I don't
have PCI Express on my mobo so ... would that really be worth it?
Also, is there any big difference between the 6800 cards from the
variety of manufacturers, and if so, which should I get?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:55 pm
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On 24 Sep 2005 13:15:43 -0700, "Cyde Weys"
<cydeweys.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>kony wrote:
>> On 24 Sep 2005 08:28:02 -0700, "Cyde Weys"
>> <cydeweys.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Sooo ... any suggestions on a new videocard? I don't want to spend
>> >tooooo much.
>>
>> I'd get a 6800 (non-LE, non-GT) and try to unlock it and o'c
>> it till the wheels fell off. Seems hard to justify an
>> expensive AGP based card these days though.
>
>Just browsing on NewEgg I see that the cheapest cards based on the 6800
>chipset are AGP and the more expensive ones are PCI Express. I don't
>have PCI Express on my mobo so ... would that really be worth it?
>Also, is there any big difference between the 6800 cards from the
>variety of manufacturers, and if so, which should I get?


No, not worth it "now", but given the pattern you've alreay
shown, that you will use a card like 9800 long enough to get
some value out of it, the same might hold true for another
card, with any AGP based card being a stop-gap until your
next motherboard and CPU purchase.

I haven't surveyed all the 6800 recently, you might seek
benchmarks of the current models as they tend to change a
little over time and as nVidia drops price of the GPUs,
more vendors start making budgetized versions of them.
Generally speaking it's the same old thing, compare memory
speed & type, bus width, pipes, GPU speed. Fans I can't
tell you about as I always throw my own 'sink on cards if
I'm keeping it for myself.... except that none seem to have
a reasonable lifespan.
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