Advice needed: AMD or Intel

"ICee" <icee.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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 > Papa Lazarou wrote:
  > > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
  > > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
  > >
  > > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a
  > > more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked
  > > as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is
  > > out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two
  > > systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the
  > > machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using
  > > Tmpgenc).
  > >
  > > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
  > > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
  > > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
  > > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
  > > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra
  > > bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
  > > Any advice appreciated.
 >
 > Get a XP2500+, which will easily overclock (using a 200 MHz+ FSB) to at
 > least a 3200+.
 >
 >
Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and a
2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to get it
to 200 Mhz FSB).

Jon<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Papa Lazarou" <bill.TakeThisOut@munged.com> wrote in message
news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
 > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
 > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
 >
 > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
 > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
 > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
 > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
 > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
 > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
 >
 > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
 > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
 > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
 > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
 > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
 > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
 > Any advice appreciated.

Also, you will almost certainly be able to overclock the P4 2.8 ghz to over
3ghz without changing the supplied cooler (although using paste would help a
little). That would make no difference to the noise...

Martin<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Since the 2500's are now locked - you can still easily reach 2200mhz
with the retail heat sink.


Jon Rose wrote:


 > Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and a
 > 2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to get it
 > to 200 Mhz FSB).
 >
 > Jon
 >
 >


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"Papa Lazarou" <bill.TakeThisOut@munged.com> wrote in message
news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
 > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
 > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
 >
 > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
 > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
 > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
 > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
 > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
 > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
 >
 > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
 > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
 > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
 > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
 > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
 > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?

Tmpgenc is able to take advantage of SSE2 and hyperthreading on a P4 system,
which is faster than when it uses 3d-now on an athlon32 system. I don't
know the exact magnitude of the performance improvement but I guess 33% is
possible. So for media encoding, I would definitely recommend a P4 system.

Now if you could get an athlon64 system instead, then it would support SSE2
and would probably give you better performance than a P4 system. But I
guess in terms of price-performance, a P4 2.8c would be a sweet spot for
media encoding.

- Dave


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Forgive my ignorance on current AMD processors. What is locked on the Barton
cores? The multiplier?

Thanks,
Jon

"Mark H" <banditt RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Since the 2500's are now locked - you can still easily reach 2200mhz
 > with the retail heat sink.
 >
 >
 > Jon Rose wrote:
 >
 >
  > > Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and a
  > > 2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to get
it
  > > to 200 Mhz FSB).
  > >
  > > Jon
  > >
  > >
 >
 >
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 > Mark H --- Frag on !
 > NF7-S v2.0 Win2k-sp4
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Mark H <banditt.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<100ovcdntb4si82.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>...
 > Since the 2500's are now locked - you can still easily reach 2200mhz
 > with the retail heat sink.
 >
 >
 > Jon Rose wrote:
 >
 >
  > > Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and a
  > > 2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to get it
  > > to 200 Mhz FSB).
  > >
  > > Jon
  > >
  > >
curious when did they start locking the Barton 2500's? I just bought
one from newegg.com and it is not locked.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Most say the locking started at week 39. There have been reports of some
locked as early a week 35. What week is your's? If you dont know, post the
code number on it and I'll tell you. It would be something like "AIUGB
0348UPMW". This would be week 48 of 2003.

Dave


"jamotto" <none1101.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e23125b0.0401201157.739e24d3@posting.google.com...
 > Mark H <banditt.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<100ovcdntb4si82.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>...
  > > Since the 2500's are now locked - you can still easily reach 2200mhz
  > > with the retail heat sink.
  > >
  > >
  > > Jon Rose wrote:
  > >
  > >
   > > > Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and
a
   > > > 2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to
get it
   > > > to 200 Mhz FSB).
   > > >
   > > > Jon
   > > >
   > > >
 > curious when did they start locking the Barton 2500's? I just bought
 > one from newegg.com and it is not locked.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <bujih3$ifffo$1@ID-13934.news.uni-berlin.de>,
zeppo_m.RemoveThis@localnet.com says...
 > Forgive my ignorance on current AMD processors. What is locked on the Barton
 > cores? The multiplier?
 >
Yes.


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"DaveL" <dave1027.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3IWdnQmFAoiYAJDdRVn-vA.RemoveThis@comcast.com>...
 > Most say the locking started at week 39. There have been reports of some
 > locked as early a week 35. What week is your's? If you dont know, post the
 > code number on it and I'll tell you. It would be something like "AIUGB
 > 0348UPMW". This would be week 48 of 2003.

mmm well if it is not the serial number for the warranty then I don't
have it. Or I recorded the wrong number. Also I'm kind of using it
right now and I don't think I can get it out. It took a friend and I
an hour to get it in because the heatsink it used was the worst
heatsink I ever had to install! It had a green plastic thing for
placeing the screwdriver into to help push the retaining clip down it
also did not have the indention for the raised back part of the socket
the previous 2500 I bought had this indention in the heatsink.

anyway, I guess I will assume I have a Processor that is < 35week.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Homie


P.S.
I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the past 6 months.
that's out of about 300 AMD repairs
Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years ....over 5000 Intel
based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's.
Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the heat-sink
on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it didn't fuckin
burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't made to
fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty .... wonder why AMD
does that ? ????
Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling shit and telling us its Shinola.

And what the fuck am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs off it and
send it to me to fix
No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to everyone for
desert ? that might use all 64 bits ....



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"Papa Lazarou" <bill.TakeThisOut@munged.com> wrote in message
news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
boots and I need some advice on my new system.

I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).

At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
Any advice appreciated.

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Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.

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"Papa Lazarou" <bill.TakeThisOut@munged.com> wrote in message
news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
boots and I need some advice on my new system.

I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).

At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
Any advice appreciated.
 >> Stay informed about: Advice needed: AMD or Intel 

I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But I
believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull installation
practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go
Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little
extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD.

Dave


"Homie" <capman.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
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 > Homie
 >
 >
 > P.S.
 > I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the
past 6 months.
 > that's out of about 300 AMD repairs
 > Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years ....over
5000 Intel
 > based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's.
 > Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the
heat-sink
 > on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it
didn't fuckin
 > burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't
made to
 > fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty ....
wonder why AMD
 > does that ? ????
 > Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling shit and telling us its
Shinola.
 >
 > And what the fuck am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs
off it and
 > send it to me to fix
 > No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to
everyone for
 > desert ? that might use all 64 bits ....
 >
 >
 >
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 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://motherboardrepair.com</font" target="_blank">http://motherboardrepair.com</font</a>>
 > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
 >
 > "Papa Lazarou" <bill.RemoveThis@munged.com> wrote in message
 > news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
 > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
 > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
 >
 > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
 > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
 > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
 > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
 > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
 > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
 >
 > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
 > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
 > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
 > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
 > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
 > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
 > Any advice appreciated.
 >
 > --
 > Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://motherboardrepair.com</font" target="_blank">http://motherboardrepair.com</font</a>>
 > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
 >
 > "Papa Lazarou" <bill.RemoveThis@munged.com> wrote in message
 > news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
 > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
 > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
 >
 > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
 > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
 > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
 > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
 > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
 > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
 >
 > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
 > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
 > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
 > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
 > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
 > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
 > Any advice appreciated.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Advice needed: AMD or Intel 

In my situation, 5 CPU's lost while repairing motherboards is nearly $600 profit right
out of my pocket, not to mention the waisted time caused by the failure in the middle
of what otherwise would have been a good day.
I use more care with AMD CPU's than any other component I work with daily, still the
results tell the truth.
I just don't see how it's a good deal to have a product that has no built in
safeguards.
They are great performers for the buck, however, heat-sink compound does dry out, fans
do fail, power supplies go whacky, none of these things has killed an Intel while
under my care but all of those things have killed AMD's at my expense. AND it always
happens at the worst possible time....day before Christmas , same day the car
dies...you know.......
If AMD would implement even crude safeguards like a 5 second warning or at the very
least crowbar the damn ATX........ I would have much nicer things to say.
Meanwhile, I have several 2~3Ghz key fobs.... they do make good conversation pieces.
Next I am going to make a VIA BGA chip-set hood ornament... (Not kidding at
all....they are a pain to remove without damage but they look so kool).


Gary

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"DaveL" <dave1027.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But I
believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull installation
practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go
Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little
extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD.

Dave


"Homie" <capman.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
news:f%QPb.726$6O4.15601@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
 > Homie
 >
 >
 > P.S.
 > I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the
past 6 months.
 > that's out of about 300 AMD repairs
 > Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years ....over
5000 Intel
 > based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's.
 > Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the
heat-sink
 > on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it
didn't fuckin
 > burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't
made to
 > fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty ....
wonder why AMD
 > does that ? ????
 > Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling shit and telling us its
Shinola.
 >
 > And what the fuck am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs
off it and
 > send it to me to fix
 > No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to
everyone for
 > desert ? that might use all 64 bits ....
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://motherboardrepair.com</font" target="_blank">http://motherboardrepair.com</font</a>>
 > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
 >
 > "Papa Lazarou" <bill.RemoveThis@munged.com> wrote in message
 > news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
 > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
 > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
 >
 > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
 > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
 > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
 > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
 > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
 > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
 >
 > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
 > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
 > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
 > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
 > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
 > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
 > Any advice appreciated.
 >
 > --
 > Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://motherboardrepair.com</font" target="_blank">http://motherboardrepair.com</font</a>>
 > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
 >
 > "Papa Lazarou" <bill.RemoveThis@munged.com> wrote in message
 > news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
 > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
 > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
 >
 > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
 > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
 > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
 > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
 > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
 > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
 >
 > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
 > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
 > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
 > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
 > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
 > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
 > Any advice appreciated.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Advice needed: AMD or Intel 

All my AMD motherboards have a automatic shutdown mechanism if the cpu gets
hot, like if the fan dies or heatsink falls off. I saw a newbie in another
NG that was setting up an Athlon64 system. He thought he would test out his
shiny new cpu before mounting the HSF because he did not want to get it
messy in case he had to return it. He was asking why it would not boot up.
After we set him straight (and had a good time laughing at him) he mounted
the HSF and it still worked, it was not burnt out. So I'm thinking the new
Athlon64s have some type of thermal protection.

Dave


"Homie" <capman.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
news:_MVPb.1578$6O4.38821@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
 > In my situation, 5 CPU's lost while repairing motherboards is nearly $600
profit right
 > out of my pocket, not to mention the waisted time caused by the failure in
the middle
 > of what otherwise would have been a good day.
 > I use more care with AMD CPU's than any other component I work with daily,
still the
 > results tell the truth.
 > I just don't see how it's a good deal to have a product that has no built
in
 > safeguards.
 > They are great performers for the buck, however, heat-sink compound does
dry out, fans
 > do fail, power supplies go whacky, none of these things has killed an
Intel while
 > under my care but all of those things have killed AMD's at my expense. AND
it always
 > happens at the worst possible time....day before Christmas , same day the
car
 > dies...you know.......
 > If AMD would implement even crude safeguards like a 5 second warning or at
the very
 > least crowbar the damn ATX........ I would have much nicer things to say.
 > Meanwhile, I have several 2~3Ghz key fobs.... they do make good
conversation pieces.
 > Next I am going to make a VIA BGA chip-set hood ornament... (Not kidding
at
 > all....they are a pain to remove without damage but they look so kool).
 >
 >
 > Gary
 >
 > --
 > Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.
 >
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 > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
 >
 > "DaveL" <dave1027.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
 > news:gOqdnWEBedbbl43dRVn-uw@comcast.com...
 > I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But
I
 > believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull
installation
 > practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go
 > Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little
 > extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD.
 >
 > Dave
 >
 >
 > "Homie" <capman.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
 > news:f%QPb.726$6O4.15601@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
  > > Homie
  > >
  > >
  > > P.S.
  > > I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the
 > past 6 months.
  > > that's out of about 300 AMD repairs
  > > Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years
.....over
 > 5000 Intel
  > > based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's.
  > > Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the
 > heat-sink
  > > on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it
 > didn't fuckin
  > > burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores
aren't
 > made to
  > > fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty ....
 > wonder why AMD
  > > does that ? ????
  > > Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling shit and telling us its
 > Shinola.
  > >
  > > And what the fuck am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs
 > off it and
  > > send it to me to fix
  > > No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to
 > everyone for
  > > desert ? that might use all 64 bits ....
  > >
  > >
  > >
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  > > Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.
  > >
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  > > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
  > >
  > > "Papa Lazarou" <bill.RemoveThis@munged.com> wrote in message
  > > news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
  > > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
  > > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
  > >
  > > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
  > > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
  > > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
  > > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
  > > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
  > > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
  > >
  > > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
  > > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
  > > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
  > > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
  > > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
  > > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
  > > Any advice appreciated.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair.
  > >
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  > > gary.RemoveThis@motherboardrepair.com
  > >
  > > "Papa Lazarou" <bill.RemoveThis@munged.com> wrote in message
  > > news:7m8o00hpigl1t8jfqh0burboq6u0m7dnr5@4ax.com...
  > > Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its
  > > boots and I need some advice on my new system.
  > >
  > > I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more
  > > expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am
  > > going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the
  > > question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with
  > > stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used
  > > for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc).
  > >
  > > At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering
  > > the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a
  > > pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz
  > > 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4.
  > > Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks
  > > for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes?
  > > Any advice appreciated.
  > >
  > >
 >
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