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Forrest1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 5:26 pm
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I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic Silver
III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. A month ago or so I bought and
installed a Zalmans 7000 cu. I didn't have any heat issues, just wanted to
quiet things down. I love it .. it's on my P4 2.4 gig. and runs nice and
cool at the slowest fan speed. I took it off, cleaned all of the Zalmans
compound off and used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
stuff. I guess it might be better on some heat sinks, but the bottom of
Zalmans is almost a mirror finish from the get go. This wasn't a
scientifically controlled experiment and haven't tried the two at different
loads ... just idling with a couple or three programs open. Just thought I'd
toss it out there.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:00 pm
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"Forrest" <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:68ycnZknq8ovyJKiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
 > I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic Silver
 > III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. A month ago or so I bought and
 > installed a Zalmans 7000 cu. I didn't have any heat issues, just wanted to
 > quiet things down. I love it .. it's on my P4 2.4 gig. and runs nice and
 > cool at the slowest fan speed. I took it off, cleaned all of the Zalmans
 > compound off and used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
 > absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
 > stuff. I guess it might be better on some heat sinks, but the bottom of
 > Zalmans is almost a mirror finish from the get go. This wasn't a
 > scientifically controlled experiment and haven't tried the two at different
 > loads ... just idling with a couple or three programs open. Just thought I'd
 > toss it out there.

You won't see any difference at idle, but under load it might be
a slightly different story.. 2C or 3C difference.

Not enough to worry about though..

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:02 am
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"Forrest" <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:68ycnZknq8ovyJKiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
 > I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic
Silver
 > III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. A month ago or so I bought
and
 > installed a Zalmans 7000 cu. I didn't have any heat issues, just wanted to
 > quiet things down. I love it .. it's on my P4 2.4 gig. and runs nice and
 > cool at the slowest fan speed. I took it off, cleaned all of the Zalmans
 > compound off and used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
 > absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
 > stuff. I guess it might be better on some heat sinks, but the bottom of
 > Zalmans is almost a mirror finish from the get go. This wasn't a
 > scientifically controlled experiment and haven't tried the two at
different
 > loads ... just idling with a couple or three programs open. Just thought
I'd
 > toss it out there.
 >

Craftmanship is the message here, you should always use a quality
compond but smooth surfaces are the mutts nutts.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:26 pm
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:26:25 -0700, "Forrest"
<REMOVETHISrunforrest1.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic Silver
 >III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. ....

 > used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
 >absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
 >stuff.

AS paste needs time to "phase change" & melt to IHS & HS in-between;
usually takes 200 h or so @ HIGHER temps, but this can be speeded up
(see my site!). that you can see deifferences @ full load where is
important! But do not expect too much, 2-3°C max! than the ordinary
white paste! Helps for OC-ers but for others not much!

-- Regards, SPAJKY
- <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm" target="_blank">http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</a>
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Phil Weldon1

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:26 pm
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No, Arctic Silver in all its guises does not 'phase change'. Besides being
not significantly better at heat transport than Radio Shack Zinc Oxide in
silicone grease, it can be electrically conductive and is expensive. Arctic
Silver is the digital succesor to 'snake oil'. Even butter has competitive
comparison except for butter's unfortunate tendency to attract ants and to
cause the CPU to land with the buttered side down when dropped.

Phil Weldon, pweldon.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com




"Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:26:25 -0700, "Forrest"
 > <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
  > >I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic
Silver
  > >III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. ....
 >
  > > used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
  > >absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
  > >stuff.
 >
 > AS paste needs time to "phase change" & melt to IHS & HS in-between;
 > usually takes 200 h or so @ HIGHER temps, but this can be speeded up
 > (see my site!). that you can see deifferences @ full load where is
 > important! But do not expect too much, 2-3°C max! than the ordinary
 > white paste! Helps for OC-ers but for others not much!
 >
 > -- Regards, SPAJKY
<font color=purple> > - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font" target="_blank">http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font</a>>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:08 pm
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"Phil Weldon" <pweldon.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:beph89$bg3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
 > No, Arctic Silver in all its guises does not 'phase change'. Besides
being
 > not significantly better at heat transport than Radio Shack Zinc Oxide in
 > silicone grease, it can be electrically conductive and is expensive.
Arctic
 > Silver is the digital succesor to 'snake oil'. Even butter has
competitive
 > comparison except for butter's unfortunate tendency to attract ants and to
 > cause the CPU to land with the buttered side down when dropped.
 >
 > Phil Weldon, pweldon.RemoveThis@mindspring.com
 >

From <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">www.arcticsilver.com</a> .....

Important Reminder:
Due to the unique shape and sizes of the silver particles in Arctic Silver
3, it will take a up to 200 hours to achieve maximum particle to particle
thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum
conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the
heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) The CPU's temperature
will drop as much as 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period.
This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer."

Might just be marketing blurb but I'm sure there must be something behind
it.

--
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 >
 >
 >
 > "Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
 > news:on00hv47ae9cg15t2tp49e6btedcjot92q@4ax.com...
  > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:26:25 -0700, "Forrest"
  > > <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
  > >
   > > >I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic
 > Silver
   > > >III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. ....
  > >
   > > > used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
   > > >absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
   > > >stuff.
  > >
  > > AS paste needs time to "phase change" & melt to IHS & HS in-between;
  > > usually takes 200 h or so @ HIGHER temps, but this can be speeded up
  > > (see my site!). that you can see deifferences @ full load where is
  > > important! But do not expect too much, 2-3°C max! than the ordinary
  > > white paste! Helps for OC-ers but for others not much!
  > >
  > > -- Regards, SPAJKY
<font color=green>  > > - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font" target="_blank">http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font</a>>
  > > Celly-III OC-ed,"Tualatin on BX-Slot1-MoBo!"
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:08 pm
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Yeah, sounds like a marketing blurb since to suggest a 200 hour delay for
proper operation sounds like the last defense of a scoundrel; that is to
wrap one's self in one's flag. In fact, it IS a marketing blurb
( <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">http://www.arcticsilver.com</a> ). This page also indicates that the two
hundred hour wait is not a phase change but a change that increases long
term stability. On the same page the manufacturer floats the suspect claim
"Negligible electrical conductivity.
(Arctic Silver 3 was formulated to conduct heat, not electricity. It is only
electrically conductive in a thin layer under extreme compression. While
much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic
Silver 3 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. The
compound is slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it
bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.) In other words the
conductivity is only a problem for the conditions in which most CPU's
operate.

Phil Weldon, pweldon DeleteThis @mindspring.com



"Sparky" <stuff DeleteThis @progression-uk.com> wrote in message
news:bepps2$dml$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
 > "Phil Weldon" <pweldon DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
 > news:beph89$bg3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
  > > No, Arctic Silver in all its guises does not 'phase change'. Besides
 > being
  > > not significantly better at heat transport than Radio Shack Zinc Oxide
in
  > > silicone grease, it can be electrically conductive and is expensive.
 > Arctic
  > > Silver is the digital succesor to 'snake oil'. Even butter has
 > competitive
  > > comparison except for butter's unfortunate tendency to attract ants and
to
  > > cause the CPU to land with the buttered side down when dropped.
  > >
  > > Phil Weldon, pweldon DeleteThis @mindspring.com
  > >
 >
 > From <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">www.arcticsilver.com</a> .....
 >
 > Important Reminder:
 > Due to the unique shape and sizes of the silver particles in Arctic Silver
 > 3, it will take a up to 200 hours to achieve maximum particle to particle
 > thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum
 > conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the
 > heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) The CPU's temperature
 > will drop as much as 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period.
 > This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer."
 >
 > Might just be marketing blurb but I'm sure there must be something behind
 > it.
 >
 > --
 > Sparky
 >
 >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > "Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
  > > news:on00hv47ae9cg15t2tp49e6btedcjot92q@4ax.com...
   > > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:26:25 -0700, "Forrest"
   > > > <REMOVETHISrunforrest1 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
   > > >
   > > > >I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic
  > > Silver
   > > > >III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. ....
   > > >
   > > > > used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
   > > > >absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on
the
   > > > >stuff.
   > > >
   > > > AS paste needs time to "phase change" & melt to IHS & HS in-between;
   > > > usually takes 200 h or so @ HIGHER temps, but this can be speeded up
   > > > (see my site!). that you can see deifferences @ full load where is
   > > > important! But do not expect too much, 2-3°C max! than the ordinary
   > > > white paste! Helps for OC-ers but for others not much!
   > > >
   > > > -- Regards, SPAJKY
<font color=brown>   > > > - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font" target="_blank">http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font</a>>
   > > > Celly-III OC-ed,"Tualatin on BX-Slot1-MoBo!"
   > > > E-mail AntiSpam: remove ##
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:52 pm
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Agreed. Same result here.

"Forrest" <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:68ycnZknq8ovyJKiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
 > I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic
Silver
 > III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. A month ago or so I bought
and
 > installed a Zalmans 7000 cu. I didn't have any heat issues, just wanted to
 > quiet things down. I love it .. it's on my P4 2.4 gig. and runs nice and
 > cool at the slowest fan speed. I took it off, cleaned all of the Zalmans
 > compound off and used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
 > absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the
 > stuff. I guess it might be better on some heat sinks, but the bottom of
 > Zalmans is almost a mirror finish from the get go. This wasn't a
 > scientifically controlled experiment and haven't tried the two at
different
 > loads ... just idling with a couple or three programs open. Just thought
I'd
 > toss it out there.
 >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 11:06 pm
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I've seen CPU's that had the paste stuff on it after a 1 1/2 years .. it
kind of dries out. I don't mind spending a few dollars more to get AS3 ...
we are talking about a very expensive CPU's. AMD's run hotter than a P4 and
once again I don't mind spending a few dollars more since I'm not spending
100's more on an Intel CPU.
You can do whatever you want . I also don't put the cheapest oil and oil
filters in my car either ... I look at it the same way.

"Phil Weldon" <pweldon.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:beq0ab$n78$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
 > Yeah, sounds like a marketing blurb since to suggest a 200 hour delay for
 > proper operation sounds like the last defense of a scoundrel; that is to
 > wrap one's self in one's flag. In fact, it IS a marketing blurb
 > ( <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">http://www.arcticsilver.com</a> ). This page also indicates that the two
 > hundred hour wait is not a phase change but a change that increases long
 > term stability. On the same page the manufacturer floats the suspect
claim
 > "Negligible electrical conductivity.
 > (Arctic Silver 3 was formulated to conduct heat, not electricity. It is
only
 > electrically conductive in a thin layer under extreme compression. While
 > much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic
 > Silver 3 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. The
 > compound is slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it
 > bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.) In other words the
 > conductivity is only a problem for the conditions in which most CPU's
 > operate.
 >
 > Phil Weldon, pweldon.DeleteThis@mindspring.com
 >
 >
 >
 > "Sparky" <stuff.DeleteThis@progression-uk.com> wrote in message
 > news:bepps2$dml$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
  > > "Phil Weldon" <pweldon.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
  > > news:beph89$bg3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
   > > > No, Arctic Silver in all its guises does not 'phase change'. Besides
  > > being
   > > > not significantly better at heat transport than Radio Shack Zinc Oxide
 > in
   > > > silicone grease, it can be electrically conductive and is expensive.
  > > Arctic
   > > > Silver is the digital succesor to 'snake oil'. Even butter has
  > > competitive
   > > > comparison except for butter's unfortunate tendency to attract ants
and
 > to
   > > > cause the CPU to land with the buttered side down when dropped.
   > > >
   > > > Phil Weldon, pweldon.DeleteThis@mindspring.com
   > > >
  > >
  > > From <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">www.arcticsilver.com</a> .....
  > >
  > > Important Reminder:
  > > Due to the unique shape and sizes of the silver particles in Arctic
Silver
  > > 3, it will take a up to 200 hours to achieve maximum particle to
particle
  > > thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach
maximum
  > > conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on
the
  > > heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) The CPU's temperature
  > > will drop as much as 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period.
  > > This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer."
  > >
  > > Might just be marketing blurb but I'm sure there must be something
behind
  > > it.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Sparky
  > >
  > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > "Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
   > > > news:on00hv47ae9cg15t2tp49e6btedcjot92q@4ax.com...
   > > > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:26:25 -0700, "Forrest"
   > > > > <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > > >I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of
Arctic
   > > > Silver
   > > > > >III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. ....
   > > > >
   > > > > > used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
   > > > > >absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on
 > the
   > > > > >stuff.
   > > > >
   > > > > AS paste needs time to "phase change" & melt to IHS & HS in-between;
   > > > > usually takes 200 h or so @ HIGHER temps, but this can be speeded up
   > > > > (see my site!). that you can see deifferences @ full load where is
   > > > > important! But do not expect too much, 2-3°C max! than the ordinary
   > > > > white paste! Helps for OC-ers but for others not much!
   > > > >
   > > > > -- Regards, SPAJKY
<font color=brown>   > > > > - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font" target="_blank">http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font</a>>
   > > > > Celly-III OC-ed,"Tualatin on BX-Slot1-MoBo!"
   > > > > E-mail AntiSpam: remove ##
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 11:06 pm
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Arctic Silver thank you.

Phil Weldon, pweldon DeleteThis @mindspring.com

"Wookie" <tomvwoodward DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > I've seen CPU's that had the paste stuff on it after a 1 1/2 years .. it
 > kind of dries out. I don't mind spending a few dollars more to get AS3
....
 > we are talking about a very expensive CPU's. AMD's run hotter than a P4
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:24 am
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ROFL. Ok, you caught me off guard with the 'buttered side down' comment.
I'll have to agree with the 'snake oil' analogy. My own thoughts remind
me of the antenna booster stickers (cell phones). So many suckers...so
much money. Who was it that said "Hey, there's money to be had"? Disney.
hehehe

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Phil Weldon stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

 > No, Arctic Silver in all its guises does not 'phase change'. Besides
 > being not significantly better at heat transport than Radio Shack
 > Zinc Oxide in silicone grease, it can be electrically conductive and
 > is expensive. Arctic Silver is the digital succesor to 'snake oil'.
 > Even butter has competitive comparison except for butter's
 > unfortunate tendency to attract ants and to cause the CPU to land
 > with the buttered side down when dropped.
 >
 > Phil Weldon, pweldon DeleteThis @mindspring.com
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > "Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
 > news:on00hv47ae9cg15t2tp49e6btedcjot92q@4ax.com...
  >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:26:25 -0700, "Forrest"
  >> <REMOVETHISrunforrest1 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
  >>
   >>> I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of
   >>> Arctic Silver III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. ....
  >>
   >>> used the Arctic Silver, fired it back up and have
   >>> absolutely zero difference in temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on
   >>> the stuff.
  >>
  >> AS paste needs time to "phase change" & melt to IHS & HS in-between;
  >> usually takes 200 h or so @ HIGHER temps, but this can be speeded up
  >> (see my site!). that you can see deifferences @ full load where is
  >> important! But do not expect too much, 2-3°C max! than the ordinary
  >> white paste! Helps for OC-ers but for others not much!
  >>
  >> -- Regards, SPAJKY
<font color=green>  >> - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font" target="_blank">http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm</font</a>>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:29 am
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Yep. It's the heatsink that is the major player, in removing heat from
the processor. The heatsink grease is, merely, a conduit. Not really
that, either. It's more of a 'gaps-that-you-can't-see-with-the-naked-eye
filler-upper'. Helps make sure that there is maximum contact between two
surfaces. That's it, in a nutshell.


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John stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

 > Agreed. Same result here.
 >
 > "Forrest" <REMOVETHISrunforrest1.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:68ycnZknq8ovyJKiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
  >> I helped a friend build a computer today. He bought a tube of Arctic
  >> Silver III and had a lot left over .. gave it to me. A month ago or
  >> so I bought and installed a Zalmans 7000 cu. I didn't have any heat
  >> issues, just wanted to quiet things down. I love it .. it's on my P4
  >> 2.4 gig. and runs nice and cool at the slowest fan speed. I took it
  >> off, cleaned all of the Zalmans compound off and used the Arctic
  >> Silver, fired it back up and have absolutely zero difference in
  >> temp. Glad I didn't spend the $10 on the stuff. I guess it might be
  >> better on some heat sinks, but the bottom of Zalmans is almost a
  >> mirror finish from the get go. This wasn't a scientifically
  >> controlled experiment and haven't tried the two at different loads
  >> ... just idling with a couple or three programs open. Just thought
  >> I'd toss it out there.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:05 am
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"Money to be had" - sounds like a political slogan for most political
candidates.

Phil Weldon, pweldon.RemoveThis@mindspring.com

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 > ROFL. Ok, you caught me off guard with the 'buttered side down' comment.
 > I'll have to agree with the 'snake oil' analogy. My own thoughts remind
 > me of the antenna booster stickers (cell phones). So many suckers...so
 > much money. Who was it that said "Hey, there's money to be had"? Disney.
 > hehehe
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:50 am
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:08:33 +0100, "Sparky"
<stuff RemoveThis @progression-uk.com> wrote:

 >From <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">www.arcticsilver.com</a> .....
 >
 >Important Reminder:
 >Due to the unique shape and sizes of the silver particles in Arctic Silver
 >3, it will take a up to 200 hours to achieve maximum particle to particle
 >thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum
 >conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the
 >heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) The CPU's temperature
 >will drop as much as 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period.
 >This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer."
 >
 >Might just be marketing blurb but I'm sure there must be something behind
 >it.

yes it actually may be just a marketing blurb.. BUT :
I was running my lapped CPU/HS/slotket combo in my setup @ same temp
conditions with a good (!) thermal paste & than using an AS-II one
(got it for free small ammount from my friend) & there was a temp drop
of only 1 (one) °C after few hours full load regarding that non-AS
paste. BUT :

than I took the combo out & actually bake it in the pancake pot on a
stove few times during a day @ 100°C for 15min or so ...
(regarding contrary what the AS site says).. when I repeated a test
there was another 2-3°C drop on temps! Worked for me!

But could be also that the thermal pad under my Tuallie IHS between
that & the core melted better (for sure that happened also!). But all
together worked like a charm. But maybe I am wrong ...

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:50 am
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I don't think you ar wrong, just that Arctic Silver is over hyped. Next
time you are in an experimenting mood, try butter. Just don't leave it on
too long; it will eventually get rancid and Pentiums since the Pentium 60/66
MHz units won;t get hot enough to toast.

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"Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
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 > On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:08:33 +0100, "Sparky"
 > <stuff RemoveThis @progression-uk.com> wrote:
 >
  > >From <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.arcticsilver.com" target="_blank">www.arcticsilver.com</a> .....
  > >
  > >Important Reminder:
  > >Due to the unique shape and sizes of the silver particles in Arctic
Silver
  > >3, it will take a up to 200 hours to achieve maximum particle to particle
  > >thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum
  > >conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on
the
  > >heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) The CPU's temperature
  > >will drop as much as 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period.
  > >This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer."
  > >
  > >Might just be marketing blurb but I'm sure there must be something behind
  > >it.
 >
 > yes it actually may be just a marketing blurb.. BUT :
 > I was running my lapped CPU/HS/slotket combo in my setup @ same temp
 > conditions with a good (!) thermal paste & than using an AS-II one
 > (got it for free small ammount from my friend) & there was a temp drop
 > of only 1 (one) °C after few hours full load regarding that non-AS
 > paste. BUT :
 >
 > than I took the combo out & actually bake it in the pancake pot on a
 > stove few times during a day @ 100°C for 15min or so ...
 > (regarding contrary what the AS site says).. when I repeated a test
 > there was another 2-3°C drop on temps! Worked for me!
 >
 > But could be also that the thermal pad under my Tuallie IHS between
 > that & the core melted better (for sure that happened also!). But all
 > together worked like a charm. But maybe I am wrong ...
 >
 > -- Regards, SPAJKY
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