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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:59 am
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Oh well, after achieving what I consider to be a reasonable overclock on my
"non-overclockable" ASUS P5PE-VM getting my E4500 to 2.93GHz at stock
voltage it seems that I'm going to be getting an Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA VIA
PT880 Ultra anyway!
Here's me, quite happy with the P5PE-VM/E4500 @ 2.93 with 2GB DDR PC3200 RAM
and my AGP 7600GS when a mate calls around, says that he's getting a 880oGTX
and a new case and HDDs and, if I move his mobo etc. into the new case for
him he'll give me his "old" 7800GT PCI-e graphics card for doing the job.
Needless to say, a 7800GT is quite a step-up from a 7600GS so what can I
say? I would have re-built his PC for him anyway, I've been
building/re-building his (gaming) PCs for years, ever since I told him I
could build him what he'd been quoted, with better quality components, for
25% less $ than he'd been quoted.
(He said "Damn! I've already ordered and paid for it." Three days after it
arrived he had to RMA it as it kept re-booting. He insisted on a full refund
and got me to build him a better system for the same money. Since then,
whenever he does a reasonably major upgrade I get "paid" by having the pick
of the parts being replaced.)
So, yeah. I guess I could sell the 7800GT for maybe NZ$180... Or I could
spend $150 on a 4CoreDual-VSTA (actually already ordered and funds
transferred <g>), make use of the 7800GT myself, and re-coup the money spent
by selling the P5PE-VM, along with the Celeron 420 that came with it (1.6GHz
that I BSEL-modded to boot at 1066 for 2.13GHz) to my flatmate. It benches
50% better than her Barton 3200+. Actually, she wants the 7600GS too as she
has some Dx9 games that don't do too well on her (my old) FX5600 so I could
upgrade and still make a profit!
Now... the Asrock doesn't have vcore adjustment (neither does the ASUS..) I
just hope that it'll boot and run my E4500 at 1066 fine. As it stands I'm
quite happy with what I have. A Core2 Duo E4500 (NZ$220) that, other than
the smaller L2 cache, is running at the same specs as a Core2 Extreme X6800
(NZ$1,530). Fingers crossed that the Asrock will do as well as the ASUS.
I don't suppose anyone has experience overclocking an E4500 in an Asrock
4CoreDual-VSTA? I'm not looking to push the boundaries any further than I
already have, I'm quite happy with the CPU speed I've achieved. It'll just
be good to have more GPU grunt (not that I need it, LOL) and the option to
segue my way into the DDR2 scene. With the price difference already between
DDR and DDR2 I'm sure I'll be able to off-set any "investment" in DDR2 by
selling my DDR if I want to.
So, a question I guess; Anyone OC'ed an E4500 on an Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA?
How did you go?
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> So, a question I guess; Anyone OC'ed an E4500 on an
> Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA? How did you go?
I *tried* to overclock an E4500 on an ECS board by doing the BSEL mod with
aluminum foil and a little wad of post-it glue to hold it in place. It wasn't stable
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> So, a question I guess; Anyone OC'ed an E4500 on an Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA?
> How did you go?
I'm getting an e4500 and a 4CoreDual-SATA2 tomorrow, it's basically
the same board but with SATA2 support. I'll see what speed I can get
with stock voltage. I've read that it hits a wall at about 290 FSB, so
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Somewhere on the interweb "assesoffire" typed:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
> > So, a question I guess; Anyone OC'ed an E4500 on an Asrock
> > 4CoreDual-VSTA? How did you go?
>
> I'm getting an e4500 and a 4CoreDual-SATA2 tomorrow, it's basically
> the same board but with SATA2 support. I'll see what speed I can get
> with stock voltage. I've read that it hits a wall at about 290 FSB, so
> it'll be interesting to try out. I'll post here again tomorrow if
> everything works out.
Awesome, thanks! I've ordered my board but it'll probably take a few days to
get here. The supplier at first said they were out of stock, would I like to
pick another board. I forwarded an email I got from them a couple weeks ago
where I enquired about stock and they said they had it, place an order. They
capitulated and said they'd get one in from their supplier and they should
have it today. My funds should clear today also. I've not dealt with this
outfit before (but a friend has) so I don't know how long they'll take to
get it out to me.
Good luck with yours. 
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Somewhere on the interweb "~misfit~" typed:
> Somewhere on the interweb "assesoffire" typed:
> > ~misfit~ wrote:
> > > So, a question I guess; Anyone OC'ed an E4500 on an Asrock
> > > 4CoreDual-VSTA? How did you go?
> >
> > I'm getting an e4500 and a 4CoreDual-SATA2 tomorrow, it's basically
> > the same board but with SATA2 support. I'll see what speed I can get
> > with stock voltage. I've read that it hits a wall at about 290 FSB,
> > so it'll be interesting to try out. I'll post here again tomorrow if
> > everything works out.
>
> Awesome, thanks! I've ordered my board but it'll probably take a few
> days to get here. The supplier at first said they were out of stock,
> would I like to pick another board. I forwarded an email I got from
> them a couple weeks ago where I enquired about stock and they said
> they had it, place an order. They capitulated and said they'd get one
> in from their supplier and they should have it today. My funds should
> clear today also. I've not dealt with this outfit before (but a
> friend has) so I don't know how long they'll take to get it out to me.
>
> Good luck with yours.
Ehhhh! Just changed my order to a P5KE/WIFI-AP (and 2 x 1GB DDR2 800)
instead. The supllier was mucking me around over the 4CoreDual too much. Way
more than I planned on spending but such is life.
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Somewhere on the interweb "Howard Goldstein" typed:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:43:03 +1300, ~misfit~
> <misfit61nz DeleteThis @yahooligans.co.nz> wrote:
> > Somewhere on the interweb "~misfit~" typed:
> > > Somewhere on the interweb "assesoffire" typed:
> > > > ~misfit~ wrote:
> > > > > So, a question I guess; Anyone OC'ed an E4500 on an Asrock
> > > > > 4CoreDual-VSTA? How did you go?
> > > >
> > > > I'm getting an e4500 and a 4CoreDual-SATA2 tomorrow, it's
> > > > basically the same board but with SATA2 support. I'll see what
> > > > speed I can get with stock voltage. I've read that it hits a
> > > > wall at about 290 FSB, so it'll be interesting to try out. I'll
> > > > post here again tomorrow if everything works out.
> > >
> > > Awesome, thanks! I've ordered my board but it'll probably take a
> > > few days to get here. The supplier at first said they were out of
> > > stock, would I like to pick another board. I forwarded an email I
> > > got from them a couple weeks ago where I enquired about stock and
> > > they said they had it, place an order. They capitulated and said
> > > they'd get one in from their supplier and they should have it
> > > today. My funds should clear today also. I've not dealt with this
> > > outfit before (but a friend has) so I don't know how long they'll
> > > take to get it out to me.
> > >
> > > Good luck with yours.
> >
> > Ehhhh! Just changed my order to a P5KE/WIFI-AP (and 2 x 1GB DDR2
> > 800) instead. The supllier was mucking me around over the
> > 4CoreDual too much. Way more than I planned on spending but such
> > is life.
> >
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> I'm looking forward to hearing how assesoffire's board works out.
Same.
> I
> love my P35 board. 450mhz FSB with a 6750 with everything set for
> auto (on a dfi).
Nice!
> The e4500 looks like a great choice, too.
Yeah, I reckon. My mobo (when it arrives) supports 45nm CPUs so I'm hoping
to get a few years out of the E4500, then get a 45nm 4 or 8 core CPU when
they're cheap enough.
> There's a piece over at
> thetechrepository.com touting the benefits of choosing these low
> multiplier parts because the FSB overclock ability is apparently
> better than the high multiplier parts. I'm not sure I understand the
> rationale completely but it seemed to turn on early boot up issues and
> the CPU being far too overclocked to reach the point where the lower
> multiplier is initiated. I wish I had the link so I could put it
> here and beg someone to 'splain it but I can't even start up firefox
> to find it now (rebuilding box)
Ohh, I wish you had a URL for that. My interweb is real slow right now but I
might have a search for it.
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Somewhere on the interweb "Howard Goldstein" typed:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:27:11 +1300, ~misfit~
> <misfit61nz.TakeThisOut@yahooligans.co.nz> wrote:
> > Somewhere on the interweb "Howard Goldstein" typed:
> >
> > > I
> > > love my P35 board. 450mhz FSB with a 6750 with everything set for
> > > auto (on a dfi).
> >
> > Nice!
>
> I couldn't be more impressed with a motherboard than I've been with
> this DFI P35. I didn't have to do anything to get 450mhz other than
> bump the clock (*). That's a good thing because I'm still on the very
> early side of this OCing learning curve 
We all are. I've been overclocking for quite a few years now and there's
always more to learn (if you have the money to keep up with the new tech) as
it all changes with each generation of chipsets/CPUs. That said, the basic
principles seem to stay the same.
> > > The e4500 looks like a great choice, too.
> >
> > Yeah, I reckon. My mobo (when it arrives) supports 45nm CPUs so
> > I'm hoping to get a few years out of the E4500, then get a 45nm 4
> > or 8 core CPU when they're cheap enough.
>
> I'm with you on this. Doesn't seem to make sense to throw another
> $200 on 65mm when we're going to probably see <$200 for 45mm core2s in
> two month's time. But what are we going to do when in those two
> months, yeah the 45mms are at $190 or $200 but the 60mm quad extremes
> are at $499?
Why would you want a quad extreme? A Q6600 will likely clock to well above
3GHz if you know a bit about what you're doing. I think that should last you
until the 45nm CPUs are affordable. (Which will be considerably longer than
"two month's time" BTW.)
> > > There's a piece over at
> > > thetechrepository.com touting the benefits of choosing these low
> > > multiplier parts because the FSB overclock ability is apparently
> > > better than the high multiplier parts. I'm not sure I understand
> > > the rationale completely but it seemed to turn on early boot up
> > > issues and the CPU being far too overclocked to reach the point
> > > where the lower multiplier is initiated. I wish I had the link
> > > so I could put it here and beg someone to 'splain it but I can't
> > > even start up firefox to find it now (rebuilding box)
> >
> > Ohh, I wish you had a URL for that. My interweb is real slow right
> > now but I might have a search for it.
>
> http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=30
>
> It's in the bits where he talks about "NBCC" or something? I'm not
> clear on the whole concept but it did make me feel better that I
> didn't spend another sweet sweet $100 on something that would have
> made it harder to OC
Thanks I'll have a look in a minute. I get a bit annoyed with TTR, their
website often doesn'y recognise my monitor settings ( 1280 x 1024, Firefox
2.0.0.9) and I have to scroll sideways to read. That combined with the fact
that I struggle to follow a lot of the hi-tech stuff they discuss makes for
a hard read.
> (*) not entirely true, my DDR2 1066 corsairs really need near their
> specified 2.1V or else one or two of the chips in one of the sticks
> starts barfing when run above 800, but that's even with stock CPU
> clocks
Yeah. I'm on a (very) tight budget. I just, 20 minutes ago, took delivery of
my DDR2 RAM. Transcend JetRam, 1GBx2 DDR2 Dual Channel Kit. CL5, 1.8v,
lifetime warranty. NZ$110. Less than I paid for a 1GB module of no-name DDR
a couple months back.
So, I have the CPU, I have the RAM, just need the mobo and my mate to get
all his bits so I can have his old 7800GT as I don't have another PCI-e
card. (Although I *do* have his brand new 8800GTX sitting on my
workbench..... <eg>)
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| I'm with you on this. Doesn't seem to make sense to throw another
| $200 on 65mm when we're going to probably see <$200 for 45mm core2s in
| two month's time. But what are we going to do when in those two
| months, yeah the 45mms are at $190 or $200 but the 60mm quad extremes
| are at $499?
_____
If you look at the current selling price of older Intel Extreme CPUs you
will see that hasn't dropped significantly since introduction. For example,
the 840 3.2 GHz Extreme edition is still ~ $1000 US. Intel itself has no
reason to reduce the price of Extreme Edition CPUs since the price they
charge has no relation to the CPU productivity but rather is a premium price
for a very small market. Intel ceases production of Extreme Edition CPUs
rather than drop the price as their FABs move to more profitable smaller
feature size chips.
Anyway, the next really good thing is the Nehalem in the second half of
2008. The Nehalem will likely require a new motherboard and possibly new
memory.
Intel now has a tick-tock schedule for bringing out new CPUs.
The Core 2 Duo on 65 nm that came out in 2006 is a tock; a major change from
the Pentium D.
The 45 nm CPUs coming out next week are a tick; just a die shrink of the
Core 2 Duo. No other changes though the smaller feature size will result in
lower power consumption and possibly higher clock speeds.
The 45 nm Nehalem coming out next year is a tock; a major change from the
Core 2 Duo.
In 2009 the Nehalem will get a die shrink to 32 nm, a tick.
It seems to me that if you now have a 65 nm Core 2 Duo then save your money
for a Nehalem unless you want to move up to a quad core. In that case, a 45
nm quad core might make sense because of the lower power consumption - but
that is likely to be the only advantage. Otherwise, the Nehalem is the
thing to wait for, not the mere die shrink coming out this November.
Phil Weldon
"Howard Goldstein" <hgoldste.DeleteThis@mpcs.com> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:27:11 +1300, ~misfit~ <misfit61nz.DeleteThis@yahooligans.co.nz>
wrote:
| : Somewhere on the interweb "Howard Goldstein" typed:
| :
| : > I
| : > love my P35 board. 450mhz FSB with a 6750 with everything set for
| : > auto (on a dfi).
| :
| : Nice!
|
| I couldn't be more impressed with a motherboard than I've been with
| this DFI P35. I didn't have to do anything to get 450mhz other than
| bump the clock (*). That's a good thing because I'm still on the very
| early side of this OCing learning curve
|
| :
| : > The e4500 looks like a great choice, too.
| :
| : Yeah, I reckon. My mobo (when it arrives) supports 45nm CPUs so I'm
hoping
| : to get a few years out of the E4500, then get a 45nm 4 or 8 core CPU
when
| : they're cheap enough.
|
| I'm with you on this. Doesn't seem to make sense to throw another
| $200 on 65mm when we're going to probably see <$200 for 45mm core2s in
| two month's time. But what are we going to do when in those two
| months, yeah the 45mms are at $190 or $200 but the 60mm quad extremes
| are at $499?
|
| :
| : > There's a piece over at
| : > thetechrepository.com touting the benefits of choosing these low
| : > multiplier parts because the FSB overclock ability is apparently
| : > better than the high multiplier parts. I'm not sure I understand the
| : > rationale completely but it seemed to turn on early boot up issues and
| : > the CPU being far too overclocked to reach the point where the lower
| : > multiplier is initiated. I wish I had the link so I could put it
| : > here and beg someone to 'splain it but I can't even start up firefox
| : > to find it now (rebuilding box)
| :
| : Ohh, I wish you had a URL for that. My interweb is real slow right now
but I
| : might have a search for it.
|
| http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=30
|
| It's in the bits where he talks about "NBCC" or something? I'm not
| clear on the whole concept but it did make me feel better that I
| didn't spend another sweet sweet $100 on something that would have
| made it harder to OC
|
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| (*) not entirely true, my DDR2 1066 corsairs really need near their
| specified 2.1V or else one or two of the chips in one of the sticks
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> 'Howard Goldstein' wrote, in part:
> > I'm with you on this. Doesn't seem to make sense to throw another
> > $200 on 65mm when we're going to probably see <$200 for 45mm core2s
> > in two month's time. But what are we going to do when in those two
> > months, yeah the 45mms are at $190 or $200 but the 60mm quad
> > extremes
> > are at $499?
> _____
>
> If you look at the current selling price of older Intel Extreme CPUs
> you will see that hasn't dropped significantly since introduction.
> For example, the 840 3.2 GHz Extreme edition is still ~ $1000 US.
> Intel itself has no reason to reduce the price of Extreme Edition
> CPUs since the price they charge has no relation to the CPU
> productivity but rather is a premium price for a very small market.
> Intel ceases production of Extreme Edition CPUs rather than drop the
> price as their FABs move to more profitable smaller feature size
> chips.
>
> Anyway, the next really good thing is the Nehalem in the second half
> of 2008. The Nehalem will likely require a new motherboard and
> possibly new memory.
>
> Intel now has a tick-tock schedule for bringing out new CPUs.
>
> The Core 2 Duo on 65 nm that came out in 2006 is a tock; a major
> change from the Pentium D.
>
> The 45 nm CPUs coming out next week are a tick; just a die shrink of
> the Core 2 Duo. No other changes though the smaller feature size
> will result in lower power consumption and possibly higher clock
> speeds.
>
> The 45 nm Nehalem coming out next year is a tock; a major change from
> the Core 2 Duo.
>
> In 2009 the Nehalem will get a die shrink to 32 nm, a tick.
>
> It seems to me that if you now have a 65 nm Core 2 Duo then save your
> money for a Nehalem unless you want to move up to a quad core. In
> that case, a 45 nm quad core might make sense because of the lower
> power consumption - but that is likely to be the only advantage.
> Otherwise, the Nehalem is the thing to wait for, not the mere die
> shrink coming out this November.
Hmmm. Having just ordered an Asus P35 chipset mobo, which I'll put my
existing E4500 into for now, I think my next mobo upgrade will wait for
Gesher in a couple/few years, the 'tock' after Nehalem. In the meantime I
might get a Penryn quad in a year or so. My purchasing timing and budget
constraints mean that Nehalem will be too soon for me to do a mobo upgrade.
Major system upgrades for me seem to be about 4 years apart (and then I
can't really afford, or actually need them. However, everyone needs a hobby.
<g>).
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Shaun.
P.S. It's good seeing these Hebrew* names in recognition of the Intel Isreal
team who re-worked the Tualatin to come up with the Banias, sounding the
death-knell for P4s and NetBurst and being the forerunner of the Core series
(and all that follow).
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA VIA PT880 Ultra.... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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'Howard Goldstein' wrote, in reply to:
| : Anyway, the next really good thing is the Nehalem in the second half of
| : 2008. The Nehalem will likely require a new motherboard and possibly
new
| : memory.
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| I'm screwed then -- I've tapped out my motherboard budget for the next
| year with the three bought in 2007 Man do I hope you're wrong on
| this one bit.
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A tock is a MAJOR change The Nehalem is a tock and will NOT work with
current motherboards; the memory bus is handled from within the CPU chip
rather than in the chip set. The change from Core 2 Duo to Nehalem is more
profound than the change from the Pentium III to the Pentium 4. Completely
different FrontSide Bus, support for DDR3, additional instructions, quad
core on a single die, some CPUs will have two dies, one for the cores and
one for integrated graphics. Stepping indicates relatively minor changes, a
die shrink is a relatively minor change.
Phil Weldon
"Howard Goldstein" <hgoldste RemoveThis @mpcs.com> wrote in message
news:1194448659.81420@news.queue.to...
| On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:38:36 -0400, Phil Weldon <not.disclosed RemoveThis @example.com>
wrote:
| : 'Howard Goldstein' wrote, in part:
| : | I'm with you on this. Doesn't seem to make sense to throw another
| : | $200 on 65mm when we're going to probably see <$200 for 45mm core2s in
| : | two month's time. But what are we going to do when in those two
| : | months, yeah the 45mms are at $190 or $200 but the 60mm quad extremes
| : | are at $499?
| : _____
| :
| : If you look at the current selling price of older Intel Extreme CPUs
you
| : will see that hasn't dropped significantly since introduction. For
example,
| : the 840 3.2 GHz Extreme edition is still ~ $1000 US. Intel itself has
no
| : reason to reduce the price of Extreme Edition CPUs since the price they
| : charge has no relation to the CPU productivity but rather is a premium
price
| : for a very small market. Intel ceases production of Extreme Edition
CPUs
| : rather than drop the price as their FABs move to more profitable
smaller
| : feature size chips.
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| What I saw with the pentium Ds is consistent with this. I priced out
| a used SL7CH I think that was a 3.2Ghz, a board pull at that, was at
| $220 and there was only one.
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| :
| : Anyway, the next really good thing is the Nehalem in the second half of
| : 2008. The Nehalem will likely require a new motherboard and possibly
new
| : memory.
| :
|
| I'm screwed then -- I've tapped out my motherboard budget for the next
| year with the three bought in 2007 Man do I hope you're wrong on
| this one bit.
|
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| : Intel now has a tick-tock schedule for bringing out new CPUs.
| :
| : The Core 2 Duo on 65 nm that came out in 2006 is a tock; a major change
from
| : the Pentium D.
| :
| : The 45 nm CPUs coming out next week are a tick; just a die shrink of
the
| : Core 2 Duo. No other changes though the smaller feature size will
result in
| : lower power consumption and possibly higher clock speeds.
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| :
| : The 45 nm Nehalem coming out next year is a tock; a major change from
the
| : Core 2 Duo.
| :
| : In 2009 the Nehalem will get a die shrink to 32 nm, a tick.
| :
| : It seems to me that if you now have a 65 nm Core 2 Duo then save your
money
| : for a Nehalem unless you want to move up to a quad core. In that case,
a 45
| : nm quad core might make sense because of the lower power consumption -
but
| : that is likely to be the only advantage. Otherwise, the Nehalem is the
| : thing to wait for, not the mere die shrink coming out this November.
| :
| :
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| : Phil Weldon >> Stay informed about: Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA VIA PT880 Ultra.... |
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