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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:01 pm
Post subject: Athlon - Duron speed question
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The CPU I took out of this machine was a Duron 1.4 that I managed to OC to
1825mhz stable with just air cooling and running at 109 farenheit.
It's replacement, an Athlon XP 1800 is locked and refuses to budge from
1533mhz. It runs from 120-140 farenheit.
I can't tell any difference in performance. Should I be able to?
Also I used thermal grease between the heat sink and the chip. Then I read
that AMD recommends PCM (phase change material). Would this offer better
cooling?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:01 pm
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That is awfully hot for an 1800+. As for unlocking the CPU, DON'T at those
temps!!! Sounds as if you need a better HSF or you don't have good surface
contact between CPU and your HSF, the right thermal compound or right amount
of thermal compound. I highly recommend you don't use PCM pads. They are a
one use only product. You cannot remove the HSF without completely cleaning
off the CPU & HSF and reapplying a new PCM pad. I use Arctic Silver2
(because that was the first silver based thermal compound I bought) and it
still works great compared to the newer stuff. One tube will last for years
if you even if you remove your HSF regularly. It takes very very little
compound to do the job. Just enough for a thin coat over the exposed core
and a good HSF. Mine is an all copper without a delta fan to keep the noise
down rated for a 2600+. The ideal heatsink would be a copper base with
aluminum fins/pins heat or chemically bonded to the copper base. Mechanical
bonding allows for too much heat transfer resistance. Copper transfers heat
faster that Aluminum, but Aluminum disapates it faster than Copper. I am
running an 1800+ OC'd only a little to 1600Mhz (12x133) on a 8KTA3. My temps
are 89f @ idle 95f maxed during Morrowind game play. For unlocking your CPU,
there are alot of tech sites that will tell you how to unlock it. Mine isn't
locked, but than I have an unusual CPU ID problem. My POST shows "Unkown CPU
Type" as does WinXP. Also no SSE support which I know the CPU does have.
That seems to be the only problem.
"TFM®" <horndawg.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The CPU I took out of this machine was a Duron 1.4 that I managed to OC to
> 1825mhz stable with just air cooling and running at 109 farenheit.
>
> It's replacement, an Athlon XP 1800 is locked and refuses to budge from
> 1533mhz. It runs from 120-140 farenheit.
>
> I can't tell any difference in performance. Should I be able to?
>
> Also I used thermal grease between the heat sink and the chip. Then I
read
> that AMD recommends PCM (phase change material). Would this offer better
> cooling?
>
> TFM®
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:09 am
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"rp" <not DeleteThis @here.com> wrote in message
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> That is awfully hot for an 1800+. As for unlocking the CPU, DON'T at those
> temps!!! Sounds as if you need a better HSF or you don't have good surface
> contact between CPU and your HSF, the right thermal compound or right
amount
> of thermal compound.
Something's definitely wrong then. Been running MBM 5 all day while I was
at work and CPU temp was either 143 or 145 all day long according to the
log.
This was with a 95 degree case temp. The house was about 75 when I got
home. Going to the computer show in Orland next month. I guess I should
invest in some better cooling parts.
The HSF is the same one I had on the Duron.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:09 am
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That HSF is not nearly good enough. A few more degrees and you'll fry your
new CPU. Just dug up the box my new HSF came in. It's a StarTech "FANC725A".
For only $23 it works great. By the way, just for kicks I did OC my CPU to
2.13Ghz just to see if it would do it. But just for a very short time. The
more you OC & the longer you do it does shorten the life span of your CPU.
Invest in some Arctic Silver or equivelant also. Standard HS compound just
won't cut it. I saw about a 7-10 degree difference when I switched to the
Arctic Silver2.
Luck
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> "rp" <not.DeleteThis@here.com> wrote in message
> news:103rklrjaqac1bc@corp.supernews.com...
> > That is awfully hot for an 1800+. As for unlocking the CPU, DON'T at
those
> > temps!!! Sounds as if you need a better HSF or you don't have good
surface
> > contact between CPU and your HSF, the right thermal compound or right
> amount
> > of thermal compound.
>
> Something's definitely wrong then. Been running MBM 5 all day while I was
> at work and CPU temp was either 143 or 145 all day long according to the
> log.
>
> This was with a 95 degree case temp. The house was about 75 when I got
> home. Going to the computer show in Orland next month. I guess I should
> invest in some better cooling parts.
>
> The HSF is the same one I had on the Duron.
>
> TFM®
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:01 am
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"rp" <not.DeleteThis@here.com> wrote in message
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> That HSF is not nearly good enough. A few more degrees and you'll fry your
> new CPU. Just dug up the box my new HSF came in. It's a StarTech
"FANC725A".
> For only $23 it works great. By the way, just for kicks I did OC my CPU to
> 2.13Ghz just to see if it would do it. But just for a very short time. The
> more you OC & the longer you do it does shorten the life span of your CPU.
> Invest in some Arctic Silver or equivelant also. Standard HS compound just
> won't cut it. I saw about a 7-10 degree difference when I switched to the
> Arctic Silver2.
> Luck
According to AMD's website, the max temp for this one is 90 c.
Since it's cooled off in the house, it's running at 129 which = 54 c
I don't think I'm in any danger of frying it, *but* I really don't like it
that hot. I'll get a better HSF *and* a super-duper case fan to supplement
the one already in place.
It'd really be a PITA to have to leave the AC on just for the computer. (I
live in Tampa, Fl BTW)
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:52 pm
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"rp" <not.TakeThisOut@here.com> wrote in message
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> That HSF is not nearly good enough. A few more degrees and you'll fry
your
> new CPU. Just dug up the box my new HSF came in. It's a StarTech
"FANC725A".
> For only $23 it works great. By the way, just for kicks I did OC my CPU
to
> 2.13Ghz just to see if it would do it. But just for a very short time.
The
> more you OC & the longer you do it does shorten the life span of your
CPU.
> Invest in some Arctic Silver or equivelant also. Standard HS compound
just
> won't cut it.
Yes it will!
>I saw about a 7-10 degree difference when I switched to the
> Arctic Silver2.
That's because you did a better job with the AS2 than the previous
compound. Even the AS blurb only suggests a 2ºC improvement
will be obtained.
TFM, could you switch to centigrade readings please since that's
how many people quote their temps.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:02 pm
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"TFM®" <horndawg.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> It's replacement, an Athlon XP 1800 is locked and refuses to budge from
> 1533mhz. It runs from 120-140 farenheit.
I was running an XP1800+ on an 8RDA+, using the stock cooler
that came with it, and it ran consistently around 35-40 C (100'ish F)
Never tried to overclock that one.
I've now got a Barton 2500+, mildly overclocked to around 2075 MHz, and
it's running at 45-53 C depending on load. (using the stock AMD cooler
that came with it.)
Your 1800 seems to be running a bit too hot.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:02 pm
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"Brian Rusten" <brusten.DeleteThis@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> "TFM®" <horndawg.DeleteThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > It's replacement, an Athlon XP 1800 is locked and refuses to budge from
> > 1533mhz. It runs from 120-140 farenheit.
>
> I was running an XP1800+ on an 8RDA+, using the stock cooler
> that came with it, and it ran consistently around 35-40 C (100'ish F)
>
> Never tried to overclock that one.
>
> I've now got a Barton 2500+, mildly overclocked to around 2075 MHz, and
> it's running at 45-53 C depending on load. (using the stock AMD cooler
> that came with it.)
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> Your 1800 seems to be running a bit too hot.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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That's what I would think as well, but a buddy has a shop built machine with
the same CPU (different board) and his runs about the same.
Maybe it's a Florida thing. At any rate, I will check on better cooling
options.
Thanks, all y'all, for all the advice,
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:09 am
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TFM® wrote:
> That's what I would think as well, but a buddy has a shop built
> machine with the same CPU (different board) and his runs about
> the same.
>
> Maybe it's a Florida thing. At any rate, I will check on better
> cooling options.
How does the CPU temperature compare to the case (system) temperature?
I've got an XP 1800+ too. With the stock AMD cooler, and it usually
idles at 20 degrees C above the system temperature, and a bit warmer
under normal loads. It's summer at the moment, so it running about
10 degrees C hotter than in winter.
If your case temperature is significantly higher than room temperature,
add more/better case fans blowing air out of the back of the case.
I replaced the generic 80mm fan supplied with the case with 2x80mm
Vantec Stealth fans on the back of the case - that dropped the CPU
temperature 5 deg C without any noticable change in noise. (Based on
the specs, the air movement was increased from about 36cfm to 52cfm.)
I tried putting the original fan at the front of the case (blowing in),
but it made _no_ difference whatsoever, even in summer.
If your room temperature is high, then adding fans probably won't help.
As long as the CPU temperature doesn't exceed 70 deg C under normal
loads and/or doesn't show signs of instability, I wouldn't worry about
what the actual temperature reading is.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:04 am
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"Paul Taylor" <birder DeleteThis @ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> TFM® wrote:
> > That's what I would think as well, but a buddy has a shop built
> > machine with the same CPU (different board) and his runs about
> > the same.
> >
> > Maybe it's a Florida thing. At any rate, I will check on better
> > cooling options.
>
> How does the CPU temperature compare to the case (system) temperature?
> I've got an XP 1800+ too. With the stock AMD cooler, and it usually
> idles at 20 degrees C above the system temperature, and a bit warmer
> under normal loads. It's summer at the moment, so it running about
> 10 degrees C hotter than in winter.
>
Right now I'm at 123 CPU, and 86 case temps.
The case temp is about 15 degrees above actual ambient temp.
I'm using (evidently) the cheapest, most poorly made aluminum heat sink on
the market. I suppose it'll be worth my money in the long run to invest in
quality parts.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:07 am
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"Graham W" <graham RemoveThis @his.com.puterINVALID> wrote
> TFM, could you switch to centigrade readings please since that's
> how many people quote their temps.
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Yessir, I could, and will.
Right now I'm running on the cool side. 51 CPU and 30 Case.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:40 pm
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TFM® wrote:
> I'm using (evidently) the cheapest, most poorly made aluminum
> heat sink on the market. I suppose it'll be worth my money in
> the long run to invest in quality parts.
I get the same readings as you with the AMD bundled retail cooler;
it has a three year warranty, so AMD obviously isn't concerned
about it's performance. It survived a heatwave here over the
past few weeks; the temperatures were up to about 60C CPU and
40C case at idle, but no problems at all under load. It was
too hot for me, though...
I considered getting a Swiftech cooler and a low noise fan, but
the retail fan is pretty inoffensive (unlike Delta screamers...)
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