AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 ..

"Wes Newell" <w.newell.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.06.30.19.49.41.494090.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net>...
 > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:

 >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font" target="_blank">http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font</a>>
  > >
 > Not found....
 >

Sorry, Wes, my fault: The 'l' at the end is wrong:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.htm" target="_blank">http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.htm</a>

I think you're right - sometimes you might think producers of pc
components only want to make profit instead of give appropriate
support to their customers - "You'd better buy a new one than to
upgrade your old one...".

There's a block of four jumpers located behind the keyboard, so
playing around a bit might get things going - until now there's no
announcement about the jumper settings...

I couldn't find a document telling me the thermal specification of any
MOBILE Athlon processor. So I don't know how much thermal power each
processor produces, but according to some articles I read they are all
producing about 40 to 50W - I don't think my AthlonM 1200 is producing
much less then 40 now.

So did I get you right? Documents say, CPUs have a maximum FSB of 266
- using it at 200MHz is no problem? If running them at 200 is no
problem why shouldn't I buy a new XP M 2800+ if I can get it cool
enough?
I noticed that there might be several different forms of XP-M CPUs for
desktop or notebook use, different packages (18/13 micrometer). Do
they all use low voltage stepping? So, knowing that the 13s need lower
default voltage and can get higher in speed, using them shouldn't be a
problem I guess...

Clemens<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

Just off topic Wes, cant seem to view your web page/sig/link

Fig


"Wes Newell" <w.newell.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.06.30.19.49.41.494090@SOSverizon.net...
 > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
 >
  > > Hi!
  > >
  > > I got a Mitac Clone MiNote 7321 Notebook from IPC Archtec running a
  > > AthlonM 1200 MHz Processor. I worked through the AMD Technical
  > > Specification Docs and the CPU-Support-Tables:
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp</font" target="_blank">http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp</font</a>>
  > >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S</a>
pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf
  > >
  > > IPC told me that's only possible to use Athlon XP Mobile CPUs capable
  > > of running at FSB 200 MHz (Bios doesn't recognise 266FSB-CPUs) and
  > > that's not possible to use CPUs > 1800+ due to thermal problems. So I
  > > don't believe everything I'm told (1500+ was the maximum possible told
  > > a week ago) but what really confuses me is:
  > >
 > And Abit told me it wasn't possible to use XP cpu's in my old MB too. See
 > sig line and link.
 >
  > > Is it possible to run a CPU designed to run at 266FSB to run at
  > > 200FSB? Is there a special package type I have to use? The original
  > > datasheet of the Laptop is to be found at (please don't believe
  > > everything!).
  > >
 > According to the tech docs, and (and verified by many) the FSB can range
 > from 50-200MHz (100-400FSB in marketing terms).
 >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font" target="_blank">http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font</a>>
  > >
 > Not found....
 >
  > > Please, can anyone give me some advice? At the moment prices for CPUs
  > > are quite low and I don't want to miss the chance to upgrade the
  > > notebook as far as possible (2200+ recommended)...
  > >
 > I would think any 35watt XP-M cpu would work but i don't know how your NB
 > will handle the multipliers. You may have to manually change them. Many
 > ways to do this.
 >
 > --
 > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font</a>><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:02:13 +0000, Fig wrote:

 > Just off topic Wes, cant seem to view your web page/sig/link
 >
It's still there.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:30:26 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:

 > "Wes Newell" <w.newell.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.06.30.19.49.41.494090.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net>...
  >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
 >
  >>
<font color=brown>   >> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font" target="_blank">http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font</a>>
   >> >
  >> Not found....
  >>
 >
 > Sorry, Wes, my fault: The 'l' at the end is wrong:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.htm</font" target="_blank">http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > I think you're right - sometimes you might think producers of pc
 > components only want to make profit instead of give appropriate
 > support to their customers - "You'd better buy a new one than to
 > upgrade your old one...".
 >
What's real strange here is that they show it only to support a 200FSB
(100MHz) abd VIA shows the KN133 chipset that's in it supporting a 133MHz
(266FSB) too. Also, the cpu support link you showed had an 1800+ XP being
supported which uses a 133MHz FSB (266FS). So I'd assume it supports the
266FSB (133MHz).

 > There's a block of four jumpers located behind the keyboard, so
 > playing around a bit might get things going - until now there's no
 > announcement about the jumper settings...

Now these may be the multiplier settings. And like the older desktop MB's
it appears it only supports 4 bits of the 5 multiplier bits. See
Multiplier Cross ref at my site.

 >
 > I couldn't find a document telling me the thermal specification of any
 > MOBILE Athlon processor. So I don't know how much thermal power each
 > processor produces, but according to some articles I read they are all
 > producing about 40 to 50W - I don't think my AthlonM 1200 is producing
 > much less then 40 now.
 >
 > So did I get you right? Documents say, CPUs have a maximum FSB of 266
 > - using it at 200MHz is no problem? If running them at 200 is no
 > problem why shouldn't I buy a new XP M 2800+ if I can get it cool
 > enough?

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. 200FSB is really 100MHz,
400FSB is really 200MHz. So I don't know for sure which you are refering
to with 200MHz as that's 400FSB in AMD marketing BS. In any case, the
CPU's are rated for 50-200MHz, or in amd BS terms that would be
100-400FSB. I also wouldn't waste my money on a 2800+. If like the desktop
cpu's, a TBred B core 2100+ will clock as high as a 2800+. They use the
same core.

 > I noticed that there might be several different forms of XP-M CPUs for
 > desktop or notebook use, different packages (18/13 micrometer). Do
 > they all use low voltage stepping? So, knowing that the 13s need lower
 > default voltage and can get higher in speed, using them shouldn't be a
 > problem I guess...
 >
I'd use the one that requires the less power. Assuming your MB will
support the voltage it requires. I'm not really into noteboks. Never owned
one and hated most I've used.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

That's the big question! What are the jumpers for? The support team
from the notebook producer told me that the jumpers might be used to
change the FSB but they didn't really want to tell me - you know, to
take a notebook to pieces yourself is something they are not very
happy about (warranty and things like that).

You are right. I won't spend money on a 2400+ or a new 2600/2800. I
found offers for a Mobile XP 2200+ for about 80 Euros / 75 Dollars and
a Mobile XP 2400+ for 150 Euros / 140 Dollars. So I'll try the cheaper
one...

My current processor offers this speed stepping (that's why I don't
think the jumpers are for multiplier-changes):

Mult Voltage Speed
5x 1.250 V 500 MHz
6x 1.300 V 600 MHz
7x 1.350 V 700 MHz
8x 1.400 V 800 MHz
9x 1.450 V 900 MHz
10x 1.500 V 1000 MHz
12x 1.550 V 1200 MHz

CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor stepping 02

(cuts from powerNOW! for Linux Kernel 2.5.73)

By the way - the link to your page works from here (Austria)

Greets!
Clemens
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

Sorry to bother you Wes but that url dont work for me & 2 other friends in
AU either


Fig



"Fig" <jcarbon.RemoveThis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:9J7Ma.92$P84.1161@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
 > Just off topic Wes, cant seem to view your web page/sig/link
 >
 > Fig
 >
 >
 > "Wes Newell" <w.newell.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
 > news:pan.2003.06.30.19.49.41.494090@SOSverizon.net...
  > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
  > >
   > > > Hi!
   > > >
   > > > I got a Mitac Clone MiNote 7321 Notebook from IPC Archtec running a
   > > > AthlonM 1200 MHz Processor. I worked through the AMD Technical
   > > > Specification Docs and the CPU-Support-Tables:
   > > >
<font color=brown>   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp</font" target="_blank">http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp</font</a>>
   > > >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S</a>
 > pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf
   > > >
   > > > IPC told me that's only possible to use Athlon XP Mobile CPUs capable
   > > > of running at FSB 200 MHz (Bios doesn't recognise 266FSB-CPUs) and
   > > > that's not possible to use CPUs > 1800+ due to thermal problems. So I
   > > > don't believe everything I'm told (1500+ was the maximum possible told
   > > > a week ago) but what really confuses me is:
   > > >
  > > And Abit told me it wasn't possible to use XP cpu's in my old MB too.
See
  > > sig line and link.
  > >
   > > > Is it possible to run a CPU designed to run at 266FSB to run at
   > > > 200FSB? Is there a special package type I have to use? The original
   > > > datasheet of the Laptop is to be found at (please don't believe
   > > > everything!).
   > > >
  > > According to the tech docs, and (and verified by many) the FSB can range
  > > from 50-200MHz (100-400FSB in marketing terms).
  > >
<font color=brown>   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font" target="_blank">http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html</font</a>>
   > > >
  > > Not found....
  > >
   > > > Please, can anyone give me some advice? At the moment prices for CPUs
   > > > are quite low and I don't want to miss the chance to upgrade the
   > > > notebook as far as possible (2200+ recommended)...
   > > >
  > > I would think any 35watt XP-M cpu would work but i don't know how your
NB
  > > will handle the multipliers. You may have to manually change them. Many
  > > ways to do this.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font</a>>
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:10:04 +0000, Fig wrote:

 > Sorry to bother you Wes but that url dont work for me & 2 other friends in
 > AU either
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S</font" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electr...l_S<</a>>
  >> pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf

If you meant this one, it wrapped, or you don't have Acrobat Reader
installed. It's a PDF doc. Verified that all links on this page work.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_Specification_Rev03_ENG.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electr...l_Speci</a>

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

No mate , your sig/link


Fig



"Wes Newell" <w.newell.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.01.18.11.08.503232@SOSverizon.net...
 > On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:10:04 +0000, Fig wrote:
 >
  > > Sorry to bother you Wes but that url dont work for me & 2 other friends
in
  > > AU either
  > >
  > >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S</a>
   > >> pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf
 >
 > If you meant this one, it wrapped, or you don't have Acrobat Reader
 > installed. It's a PDF doc. Verified that all links on this page work.
 >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_S</a>
pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf
 >
 > --
 > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font</a>><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:00:40 +0000, Fig wrote:

 > No mate , your sig/link
 >
Works fine from here. You can try this one. It's my own server. It runs
pretty much 24/7 except when i'm screwing around with something.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://4.62.91.68" target="_blank">http://4.62.91.68</a>

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

Thanks Wes that works fine here too hehehehe


Fig



"Wes Newell" <w.newell.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.02.04.52.42.908842@SOSverizon.net...
 > On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:00:40 +0000, Fig wrote:
 >
  > > No mate , your sig/link
  > >
 > Works fine from here. You can try this one. It's my own server. It runs
 > pretty much 24/7 except when i'm screwing around with something.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://4.62.91.68</font" target="_blank">http://4.62.91.68</font</a>>
 >
 > --
 > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</font</a>><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

Hi again!

Ok, now I bought a Athlon XP 2400+ CPU. The computer recognises that
a new CPU is there; there are no heat problems at all, that's good...

What's not so good is that BIOS shows me 1330 MHz instead of 2000 MHz.
Sisoft Sandra shows me 1350 MHz and the CPU really seems to run at
that
speed. This is, what Sandra returns for the processor:

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Co-Processor (FPU) : Built-in
Speed : 1.35GHz
Model Number : 1730 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR1958 (estimated)
Type : Mobile
Package : Socket A PGA
Multiplier : 27/2x
Minimum/Maximum Multiplier : 6/1x / 27/2x
Generation : 7 (7x86)
Name : Mobile Athlon XP (Barton) 1.6GHz+
Revision/Stepping : A / 0 (0)
Stepping Mask : ?
Core Voltage Rating : 1.450V
Min/Max Core Voltage : 1.450V / 1.450V
Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 34-bit / 32-bit

Processor Cache(s)
Internal Data Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way sectored, 64
byte line size)
Internal Instruction Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64
byte line size)
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte
line size)
L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (1350MHz)

Upgradeability
Socket/Slot : SCKT-A
Upgrade Interface : None
Supported Speed(s) : 1.35GHz+
....

This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:

Mainboard
Manufacturer : MiTAC
MP Support : No
Version : 5a
Serial Number : NB202018208

Chipset 1
Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz (200MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz / 1x 133MHz
Width : 64-bit
IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)

What's really bad is that there's an INSYDE Software Bios - Mouse
Support, but no multiplier, no FSB - nothing. What's also a little bit
annoying is that I told you about 4 switches (on one block). Ok, it
seems that 4 of the settings are working with the old and the new CPU
not changing anything. 4 settings make the screen flickering and
nothing else, and the other 8 settings make the screen blank and
nothing else...

So I don't know how to deal with this... what makes me a bit confused
is this Multiplier Info in the Processor Section (27 x 50 = 1350) - is
this the same as 13.5 x 100 ?

Clemens



Belveder.DeleteThis@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at (Clemens Arth) wrote in message news:<74e710b2.0307011056.5f3e7523.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
 > That's the big question! What are the jumpers for? The support team
 > from the notebook producer told me that the jumpers might be used to
 > change the FSB but they didn't really want to tell me - you know, to
 > take a notebook to pieces yourself is something they are not very
 > happy about (warranty and things like that).
 >
 > You are right. I won't spend money on a 2400+ or a new 2600/2800. I
 > found offers for a Mobile XP 2200+ for about 80 Euros / 75 Dollars and
 > a Mobile XP 2400+ for 150 Euros / 140 Dollars. So I'll try the cheaper
 > one...
 >
 > My current processor offers this speed stepping (that's why I don't
 > think the jumpers are for multiplier-changes):
 >
 > Mult Voltage Speed
 > 5x 1.250 V 500 MHz
 > 6x 1.300 V 600 MHz
 > 7x 1.350 V 700 MHz
 > 8x 1.400 V 800 MHz
 > 9x 1.450 V 900 MHz
 > 10x 1.500 V 1000 MHz
 > 12x 1.550 V 1200 MHz
 >
 > CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
 > CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
 > CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor stepping 02
 >
 > (cuts from powerNOW! for Linux Kernel 2.5.73)
 >
 > By the way - the link to your page works from here (Austria)
 >
 > Greets!
 > Clemens<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

You need to change the jumpers to 133


Fig


"Clemens Arth" <Belveder DeleteThis @sbox.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
news:74e710b2.0307080452.3055e6e8@posting.google.com...
 > Hi again!
 >
 > Ok, now I bought a Athlon XP 2400+ CPU. The computer recognises that
 > a new CPU is there; there are no heat problems at all, that's good...
 >
 > What's not so good is that BIOS shows me 1330 MHz instead of 2000 MHz.
 > Sisoft Sandra shows me 1350 MHz and the CPU really seems to run at
 > that
 > speed. This is, what Sandra returns for the processor:
 >
 > Processor
 > Model : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
 > Co-Processor (FPU) : Built-in
 > Speed : 1.35GHz
 > Model Number : 1730 (estimated)
 > Performance Rating : PR1958 (estimated)
 > Type : Mobile
 > Package : Socket A PGA
 > Multiplier : 27/2x
 > Minimum/Maximum Multiplier : 6/1x / 27/2x
 > Generation : 7 (7x86)
 > Name : Mobile Athlon XP (Barton) 1.6GHz+
 > Revision/Stepping : A / 0 (0)
 > Stepping Mask : ?
 > Core Voltage Rating : 1.450V
 > Min/Max Core Voltage : 1.450V / 1.450V
 > Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 34-bit / 32-bit
 >
 > Processor Cache(s)
 > Internal Data Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way sectored, 64
 > byte line size)
 > Internal Instruction Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64
 > byte line size)
 > L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte
 > line size)
 > L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (1350MHz)
 >
 > Upgradeability
 > Socket/Slot : SCKT-A
 > Upgrade Interface : None
 > Supported Speed(s) : 1.35GHz+
 > ...
 >
 > This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:
 >
 > Mainboard
 > Manufacturer : MiTAC
 > MP Support : No
 > Version : 5a
 > Serial Number : NB202018208
 >
 > Chipset 1
 > Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller
 > Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus
 > Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz (200MHz data rate)
 > Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz / 1x 133MHz
 > Width : 64-bit
 > IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
 >
 > What's really bad is that there's an INSYDE Software Bios - Mouse
 > Support, but no multiplier, no FSB - nothing. What's also a little bit
 > annoying is that I told you about 4 switches (on one block). Ok, it
 > seems that 4 of the settings are working with the old and the new CPU
 > not changing anything. 4 settings make the screen flickering and
 > nothing else, and the other 8 settings make the screen blank and
 > nothing else...
 >
 > So I don't know how to deal with this... what makes me a bit confused
 > is this Multiplier Info in the Processor Section (27 x 50 = 1350) - is
 > this the same as 13.5 x 100 ?
 >
 > Clemens
 >
 >
 >
 > Belveder DeleteThis @sbox.tu-graz.ac.at (Clemens Arth) wrote in message
news:<74e710b2.0307011056.5f3e7523 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
  > > That's the big question! What are the jumpers for? The support team
  > > from the notebook producer told me that the jumpers might be used to
  > > change the FSB but they didn't really want to tell me - you know, to
  > > take a notebook to pieces yourself is something they are not very
  > > happy about (warranty and things like that).
  > >
  > > You are right. I won't spend money on a 2400+ or a new 2600/2800. I
  > > found offers for a Mobile XP 2200+ for about 80 Euros / 75 Dollars and
  > > a Mobile XP 2400+ for 150 Euros / 140 Dollars. So I'll try the cheaper
  > > one...
  > >
  > > My current processor offers this speed stepping (that's why I don't
  > > think the jumpers are for multiplier-changes):
  > >
  > > Mult Voltage Speed
  > > 5x 1.250 V 500 MHz
  > > 6x 1.300 V 600 MHz
  > > 7x 1.350 V 700 MHz
  > > 8x 1.400 V 800 MHz
  > > 9x 1.450 V 900 MHz
  > > 10x 1.500 V 1000 MHz
  > > 12x 1.550 V 1200 MHz
  > >
  > > CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
  > > CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
  > > CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor stepping 02
  > >
  > > (cuts from powerNOW! for Linux Kernel 2.5.73)
  > >
  > > By the way - the link to your page works from here (Austria)
  > >
  > > Greets!
  > > Clemens<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 .. 

Thanks for this suggestion but as I mentioned there's a little
problem:

There's no way to figure out how to set the jumpers but trying because
the support service team won't tell me the configuration.

So I tried all settings - without success. Now I know that the
rightmost jumper is for changing between 14' and 15' TFT panel -
that's because the screen is flickering.

Mitac announces that the system may only run at 100 MHz and not at 133
MHz but the VIA TwisterK Chipset supports 133 MHz - so I'm asking them
why they do not support it - no answer till now.

Some things confuse me a little bit. As I wrote in the last message
Sandra tells 27/2x as maximum multiplier - thats 13.5 and thats ok.
It's running at 100 MHz and so that's 1350 MHz overall. BUT: If the
system would run at 133MHz this would result in 1800 MHz and that's
NOT the speed a Athlon XP 2400+ would run.

Might that be a bios bug or are the mobile Athlon XPs running at a
lower speed than the non-mobile ones?




"Fig" <jcarbon RemoveThis @bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:<%fzOa.601$TX6.8158@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
 > You need to change the jumpers to 133
 >
 >
 > Fig
 >
 >
 > "Clemens Arth" <Belveder RemoveThis @sbox.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
 > news:74e710b2.0307080452.3055e6e8@posting.google.com...
  > > Hi again!
  > >
  > > Ok, now I bought a Athlon XP 2400+ CPU. The computer recognises that
  > > a new CPU is there; there are no heat problems at all, that's good...
  > >
  > > What's not so good is that BIOS shows me 1330 MHz instead of 2000 MHz.
  > > Sisoft Sandra shows me 1350 MHz and the CPU really seems to run at
  > > that
  > > speed. This is, what Sandra returns for the processor:
  > >
  > > Processor
  > > Model : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
  > > Co-Processor (FPU) : Built-in
  > > Speed : 1.35GHz
  > > Model Number : 1730 (estimated)
  > > Performance Rating : PR1958 (estimated)
  > > Type : Mobile
  > > Package : Socket A PGA
  > > Multiplier : 27/2x
  > > Minimum/Maximum Multiplier : 6/1x / 27/2x
  > > Generation : 7 (7x86)
  > > Name : Mobile Athlon XP (Barton) 1.6GHz+
  > > Revision/Stepping : A / 0 (0)
  > > Stepping Mask : ?
  > > Core Voltage Rating : 1.450V
  > > Min/Max Core Voltage : 1.450V / 1.450V
  > > Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 34-bit / 32-bit
  > >
  > > Processor Cache(s)
  > > Internal Data Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way sectored, 64
  > > byte line size)
  > > Internal Instruction Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64
  > > byte line size)
  > > L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte
  > > line size)
  > > L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (1350MHz)
  > >
  > > Upgradeability
  > > Socket/Slot : SCKT-A
  > > Upgrade Interface : None
  > > Supported Speed(s) : 1.35GHz+
  > > ...
  > >
  > > This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:
  > >
  > > Mainboard
  > > Manufacturer : MiTAC
  > > MP Support : No
  > > Version : 5a
  > > Serial Number : NB202018208
  > >
  > > Chipset 1
  > > Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller
  > > Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus
  > > Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz (200MHz data rate)
  > > Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz / 1x 133MHz
  > > Width : 64-bit
  > > IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
  > >
  > > What's really bad is that there's an INSYDE Software Bios - Mouse
  > > Support, but no multiplier, no FSB - nothing. What's also a little bit
  > > annoying is that I told you about 4 switches (on one block). Ok, it
  > > seems that 4 of the settings are working with the old and the new CPU
  > > not changing anything. 4 settings make the screen flickering and
  > > nothing else, and the other 8 settings make the screen blank and
  > > nothing else...
  > >
  > > So I don't know how to deal with this... what makes me a bit confused
  > > is this Multiplier Info in the Processor Section (27 x 50 = 1350) - is
  > > this the same as 13.5 x 100 ?
  > >
  > > Clemens
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Belveder RemoveThis @sbox.tu-graz.ac.at (Clemens Arth) wrote in message
 > news:<74e710b2.0307011056.5f3e7523 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
   > > > That's the big question! What are the jumpers for? The support team
   > > > from the notebook producer told me that the jumpers might be used to
   > > > change the FSB but they didn't really want to tell me - you know, to
   > > > take a notebook to pieces yourself is something they are not very
   > > > happy about (warranty and things like that).
   > > >
   > > > You are right. I won't spend money on a 2400+ or a new 2600/2800. I
   > > > found offers for a Mobile XP 2200+ for about 80 Euros / 75 Dollars and
   > > > a Mobile XP 2400+ for 150 Euros / 140 Dollars. So I'll try the cheaper
   > > > one...
   > > >
   > > > My current processor offers this speed stepping (that's why I don't
   > > > think the jumpers are for multiplier-changes):
   > > >
   > > > Mult Voltage Speed
   > > > 5x 1.250 V 500 MHz
   > > > 6x 1.300 V 600 MHz
   > > > 7x 1.350 V 700 MHz
   > > > 8x 1.400 V 800 MHz
   > > > 9x 1.450 V 900 MHz
   > > > 10x 1.500 V 1000 MHz
   > > > 12x 1.550 V 1200 MHz
   > > >
   > > > CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
   > > > CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
   > > > CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor stepping 02
   > > >
   > > > (cuts from powerNOW! for Linux Kernel 2.5.73)
   > > >
   > > > By the way - the link to your page works from here (Austria)
   > > >
   > > > Greets!
   > > > Clemens<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 ..