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Wes Newell3

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:07 pm
Post subject: Re: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 possible? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:52:07 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:

 > Ok, now I bought a Athlon XP 2400+ CPU. The computer recognises that a
 > new CPU is there; there are no heat problems at all, that's good...
 >
 > L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte
 > line size)

Well, you know this is BS. There's only 256K L2 on teh 2400+. Where it
comes up with 512K is unknown. Maybe because it misreadws it as a barton
which does have 512K.

 > This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:
 >
 > Chipset 1
 > Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller Bus(es) : ISA AGP
 > PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz
 > (200MHz data rate) Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz / 1x
 > 133MHz Width : 64-bit
 > IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
 >
Uses VIA KT133 chipset. This chipset doesn't support 133MHz FSB. It just
won't work. And you can trust me on that.Smile

 > What's really bad is that there's an INSYDE Software Bios - Mouse
 > Support, but no multiplier, no FSB - nothing. What's also a little bit
 > annoying is that I told you about 4 switches (on one block). Ok, it
 > seems that 4 of the settings are working with the old and the new CPU
 > not changing anything. 4 settings make the screen flickering and nothing
 > else, and the other 8 settings make the screen blank and nothing else...
 >
 > So I don't know how to deal with this... what makes me a bit confused is
 > this Multiplier Info in the Processor Section (27 x 50 = 1350) - is this
 > the same as 13.5 x 100 ?
 >
One thing has to be happening. They are changing the multiplier bits.
That;s easy enough to determine sincve the default multiplier for the
2400+ is 15, not 13.5. i think this is a notebook you're dealing with and
I'm not sure what kind of voltages it will supply to the CPU, but you will
need more than 1.45v to get it much higher than it is now unless this is a
mobile 2400+ (XP-M or something like that) At this point you could do
several things, on of which is the pin mod here,

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html" target="_blank">http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html</a>

but I don't know what affect this might have on your basically unknown MB.
The other option, which will be safer, but harder to do, would be to lock
the cpu multiplier by cutting the L1 bridges on it. That would lock the
default 15x multiplier and it should then boot at 1500MHz. If that works
out, you could then change the default multiplier higher. I'd still be
worried about vcore though. It it doesn't provide enough juice the cpu
won't work at higher speeds. I'd say you're pretty much in a pickle.
Personally, I don't know what I'd do. Probably leave it as is if
everything is working ok. Messing with the bridges is a pita. I might give
the pin mod a go though. Seems like you have some choices to make.Smile


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Clemens Arth

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:20 am
Post subject: Re: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 possible? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wes Newell" <w.newell DeleteThis @SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.07.08.22.07.51.852729 DeleteThis @SOSverizon.net>...
 > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:52:07 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
 >
  > > Ok, now I bought a Athlon XP 2400+ CPU. The computer recognises that a
  > > new CPU is there; there are no heat problems at all, that's good...
  > >
  > > L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte
  > > line size)
 >
 > Well, you know this is BS. There's only 256K L2 on teh 2400+. Where it
 > comes up with 512K is unknown. Maybe because it misreadws it as a barton
 > which does have 512K.

I'll check that.

 >
  > > This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:
  > >
  > > Chipset 1
  > > Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller Bus(es) : ISA AGP
  > > PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz
  > > (200MHz data rate) Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz / 1x
  > > 133MHz Width : 64-bit
  > > IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
  > >
 > Uses VIA KT133 chipset. This chipset doesn't support 133MHz FSB. It just
 > won't work. And you can trust me on that.Smile

IF IT IS a KT133 chipset it's ok but that's what I can't believe! I
think there's an ProSavage Chipset in there. Why should they build in
a S3 TwisterK Graphics Chip and a separate KT133 Chipset when there is
an integrated combination available? According to the S3
identification tool it's a TwisterK Graphics Chip 8D02 in there which
is integrated in the ProSavage KN133 Chipset.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.via.com.tw/en/ProSavage%20Chipsets/kn133.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.via.com.tw/en/ProSavage%20Chipsets/kn133.jsp</a>

See what my clone distributor in Germany announces:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.archtec.de/produkte003.asp?nbid=powernotem&spec=yes" target="_blank">http://www.archtec.de/produkte003.asp?nbid=powernotem&spec=yes</a>

There's still no answer from Taiwan - ok they're sleeping now Smile

I'll give the mods a try.

 >
  > > What's really bad is that there's an INSYDE Software Bios - Mouse
  > > Support, but no multiplier, no FSB - nothing. What's also a little bit
  > > annoying is that I told you about 4 switches (on one block). Ok, it
  > > seems that 4 of the settings are working with the old and the new CPU
  > > not changing anything. 4 settings make the screen flickering and nothing
  > > else, and the other 8 settings make the screen blank and nothing else...
  > >
  > > So I don't know how to deal with this... what makes me a bit confused is
  > > this Multiplier Info in the Processor Section (27 x 50 = 1350) - is this
  > > the same as 13.5 x 100 ?
  > >
 > One thing has to be happening. They are changing the multiplier bits.
 > That;s easy enough to determine sincve the default multiplier for the
 > 2400+ is 15, not 13.5. i think this is a notebook you're dealing with and
 > I'm not sure what kind of voltages it will supply to the CPU, but you will
 > need more than 1.45v to get it much higher than it is now unless this is a
 > mobile 2400+ (XP-M or something like that) At this point you could do
 > several things, on of which is the pin mod here,
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html</font</a>>
 >
 > but I don't know what affect this might have on your basically unknown MB.
 > The other option, which will be safer, but harder to do, would be to lock
 > the cpu multiplier by cutting the L1 bridges on it. That would lock the
 > default 15x multiplier and it should then boot at 1500MHz. If that works
 > out, you could then change the default multiplier higher. I'd still be
 > worried about vcore though. It it doesn't provide enough juice the cpu
 > won't work at higher speeds. I'd say you're pretty much in a pickle.
 > Personally, I don't know what I'd do. Probably leave it as is if
 > everything is working ok. Messing with the bridges is a pita. I might give
 > the pin mod a go though. Seems like you have some choices to make.Smile<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Clemens Arth

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:09 am
Post subject: Re: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 possible? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wes Newell" <w.newell.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.07.08.22.07.51.852729.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net>...
 > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:52:07 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
 >
  > > Ok, now I bought a Athlon XP 2400+ CPU. The computer recognises that a
  > > new CPU is there; there are no heat problems at all, that's good...
  > >
  > > L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte
  > > line size)
 >
 > Well, you know this is BS. There's only 256K L2 on teh 2400+. Where it
 > comes up with 512K is unknown. Maybe because it misreadws it as a barton
 > which does have 512K.

Ok, the type of the proc is:

AXMH2400FQQ4C

So this really seems to be a Barton with 512kB L2 Cache. According to
the AMD-paper the nominal voltage is 1.45 V. So power should not be a
problem because the Mobile Athlon 4 needed 1.55 V. (heat? dieing only
at 100°C ? I think that's a bit overstated...)

Now let's go and buy some liquid silver and mod it...


 >
  > > This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:
  > >
  > > Chipset 1
  > > Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller Bus(es) : ISA AGP
  > > PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz
  > > (200MHz data rate) Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz / 1x
  > > 133MHz Width : 64-bit
  > > IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
  > >
 > Uses VIA KT133 chipset. This chipset doesn't support 133MHz FSB. It just
 > won't work. And you can trust me on that.Smile
 >
  > > What's really bad is that there's an INSYDE Software Bios - Mouse
  > > Support, but no multiplier, no FSB - nothing. What's also a little bit
  > > annoying is that I told you about 4 switches (on one block). Ok, it
  > > seems that 4 of the settings are working with the old and the new CPU
  > > not changing anything. 4 settings make the screen flickering and nothing
  > > else, and the other 8 settings make the screen blank and nothing else...
  > >
  > > So I don't know how to deal with this... what makes me a bit confused is
  > > this Multiplier Info in the Processor Section (27 x 50 = 1350) - is this
  > > the same as 13.5 x 100 ?
  > >
 > One thing has to be happening. They are changing the multiplier bits.
 > That;s easy enough to determine sincve the default multiplier for the
 > 2400+ is 15, not 13.5. i think this is a notebook you're dealing with and
 > I'm not sure what kind of voltages it will supply to the CPU, but you will
 > need more than 1.45v to get it much higher than it is now unless this is a
 > mobile 2400+ (XP-M or something like that) At this point you could do
 > several things, on of which is the pin mod here,
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html</font</a>>
 >
 > but I don't know what affect this might have on your basically unknown MB.
 > The other option, which will be safer, but harder to do, would be to lock
 > the cpu multiplier by cutting the L1 bridges on it. That would lock the
 > default 15x multiplier and it should then boot at 1500MHz. If that works
 > out, you could then change the default multiplier higher. I'd still be
 > worried about vcore though. It it doesn't provide enough juice the cpu
 > won't work at higher speeds. I'd say you're pretty much in a pickle.
 > Personally, I don't know what I'd do. Probably leave it as is if
 > everything is working ok. Messing with the bridges is a pita. I might give
 > the pin mod a go though. Seems like you have some choices to make.Smile<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Wes Newell3

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:24 am
Post subject: Re: AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 possible? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:20:11 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:

 > "Wes Newell" <w.newell.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
 > news:<pan.2003.07.08.22.07.51.852729.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net>...
  >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:52:07 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
  >>
   >> > This is what Sandra tells about the mainboard:
   >> >
   >> > Chipset 1
   >> > Model : Mitac VT8363/5 KT133/KM133 System Controller Bus(es) : ISA AGP
   >> > PCI PCMCIA CardBus USB i2c/SMBus Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 100MHz
   >> > (200MHz data rate) Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 133MHz /
   >> > 1x 133MHz Width : 64-bit
   >> > IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
   >> >
  >> Uses VIA KT133 chipset. This chipset doesn't support 133MHz FSB. It just
  >> won't work. And you can trust me on that.Smile
 >
 > IF IT IS a KT133 chipset it's ok but that's what I can't believe! I think
 > there's an ProSavage Chipset in there. Why should they build in a S3
 > TwisterK Graphics Chip and a separate KT133 Chipset when there is an
 > integrated combination available? According to the S3 identification tool
 > it's a TwisterK Graphics Chip 8D02 in there which is integrated in the
 > ProSavage KN133 Chipset.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.via.com.tw/en/ProSavage%20Chipsets/kn133.jsp</font" target="_blank">http://www.via.com.tw/en/ProSavage%20Chipsets/kn133.jsp</font</a>>
 >
 > See what my clone distributor in Germany announces:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.archtec.de/produkte003.asp?nbid=powernotem&spec=yes</font" target="_blank">http://www.archtec.de/produkte003.asp?nbid=powernotem&spec=yes</font</a>>
 >
Yep, sandra probably lying again about the KT133. But even if it is the
KN133, which it probably is, they may not have put in support for 133MHz
FSB. Or they won't tell you about it. Good luck with this. Notebooks are
not animals I want to deal with.Smile

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<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:47 am
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:09:24 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:

 > Ok, the type of the proc is:
 >
 > AXMH2400FQQ4C
 >
 > So this really seems to be a Barton with 512kB L2 Cache. According to the
 > AMD-paper the nominal voltage is 1.45 V. So power should not be a problem
 > because the Mobile Athlon 4 needed 1.55 V. (heat? dieing only at 100°C ?
 > I think that's a bit overstated...)
 >
This explains a lot.Smile It's a 2400+ XP-M cpu and does have a 512K cache.
Why Sandra says it's a Barton. So the default multiplier on it won't be 15
like the regular XP version. And that makes the 13.5 multiplier fall right
into place. 1800Mhz (13.5x133) with a 512K cache would put the rating at
2400+.

 > Now let's go and buy some liquid silver and mod it...
 >
Before I went to all that trouble, I'd exhaust all possibilities of trying
to get the FSB to 133MHz. Are you sure it's not throttled back and might
jump up to a faster speed under load. If I remember right, it reports
1330MHz. That might be one of the power now settings doing it's thing with
10x133. No real experiences with notebooks, so these are just wags. But
the cpu default FSB is 133, and if the notebook bios is worth crap it
should set it right. I' just rambling, good luck.

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<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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