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Arnold

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:14 am
Post subject: BH6: USB2.0 PCI Card doesn't work (all available PCI slots full)
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I installed a U-Connect USB 2.0 PCI card into my BH6. Here's what else is
installed:

AGP: Radeon Video Card
PCI1: (shared with AGP) empty
PCI2: IDE 100 Card
PCI3: TB Santa Cruz Sound Card
PCI4: Ethernet Card
PCI5: **USB 2.0 Card**
ISA1: (shared with PCI slot) empty
ISA2: 56k modem

OS: Windows XP Pro (latest SP installed + latest updates, etc)

Here's the website for the USB Card:
http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335

(Got it for $5 on sale from MicroCenter BTW).

I installed it, the drivers installed fine, and card was detected correctly.
No exclamation marks in Device Manager. The first sign something was wrong
was when I powered on a USB 2.0 device (Adaptec MPEG2 encoder) connected to
the USB 2.0 Card, the system just automatically rebooted itself right when I
powered on the device. I unplugged that device and stuck it into a USB 1.1
hub connected and it is detected fine. Then I tried plugging in my webcam to
the USB 2.0 Card but the Logitech software could not find the camera.
Unplugged the webcam and plugged it into the USB 1.1 hub and the software
can find it. So it looks like the USB 2.0 card can't find anything connected
to it (it is downward compatible to usb1.1 devices BTW).

Any ideas? I have the latest drivers for the card installed already. Perhaps
I just have too many PCI cards installed? I'm hesitant to move the PCI cards
around as before installed the USB 2.0 Card, the system has been very
stable. Even with the USB2.0 Card installed now everything else besides that
card works fine. Any ideas on what I should do next?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:59 pm
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<arnold.TakeThisOut@nothpole.com> wrote:
 > I installed a U-Connect USB 2.0 PCI card into my BH6. Here's what
 > else is installed:
 >
...

 > Here's the website for the USB Card:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335</font" target="_blank">http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335</font</a>>
...

Hi Arnold,

It seems like the U-Connect card requires PCI bus v 2.2.
From the specifications document found at the Benecole website:
"32-bit 33Mhz host interface compliant to PCI Specification release 2.2".
The BH6, being an Intel 440BX chipset-based board, has a v 2.1 compliant PCI
bus, so I guess that's why it won't work...

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:12 pm
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"mw" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:btj787$r21$1@news.solace.mh.se...
 > <arnold.TakeThisOut@nothpole.com> wrote:
  > > I installed a U-Connect USB 2.0 PCI card into my BH6. Here's what
  > > else is installed:
  > >
 > ...
 >
  > > Here's the website for the USB Card:
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335</font" target="_blank">http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335</font</a>>
 > ...
 >
 > Hi Arnold,
 >
 > It seems like the U-Connect card requires PCI bus v 2.2.
 > From the specifications document found at the Benecole website:
 > "32-bit 33Mhz host interface compliant to PCI Specification release 2.2".
 > The BH6, being an Intel 440BX chipset-based board, has a v 2.1 compliant PCI
 > bus, so I guess that's why it won't work...

No, that has nothing to do with it. Because a PCI card is 2.2
compliant doesn't mean it's 2.1 incompatible. More likely the
problem is related to IRQ sharing (either with another PCI slot
or with an onboard device in the BH6), a bum card or poorly
written drivers.

Try swapping the USB card with another PCI card that's in an
_unshared_ PCI slot.

Also, if the USB card uses an NEC controller (hopefully), you
should uninstall the manufacturer's driver, then go to Windows
Update and install the stock USB2.0 XP driver from Microsoft.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:18 pm
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"mw" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
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 > It seems like the U-Connect card requires PCI bus v 2.2.

It should still work. PCI 2.2 compliant products should be backwards
compatible with PCI 2.1 boards.

IIRC, PCI slot 5 on the BH6 is non-bus mastering, and it's pretty much a
given that the USB car needs a bus mastering slot. Try it in PCI slot one
and see what happens.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:47 am
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I removed the NIC in PCI4 so the USB card didn't share an IRQ anymore and
the card worked. I tried moving the cards around but basically I can't have
all those cards together and still get the USB card to work right. HOWEVER,
I didn't try PCI1 since my video card's fan is in the way. I can take it off
but considering the USB card didn't work in any of the other slots (shared
and unshared), I don't expect it to work in PCI1. I'll give it a shot when I
have time though. Otherwise this card is going into my drawer. Sad



"Arnold" <arnold DeleteThis @nothpole.com> wrote in message
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 > I installed a U-Connect USB 2.0 PCI card into my BH6. Here's what else is
 > installed:
 >
 > AGP: Radeon Video Card
 > PCI1: (shared with AGP) empty
 > PCI2: IDE 100 Card
 > PCI3: TB Santa Cruz Sound Card
 > PCI4: Ethernet Card
 > PCI5: **USB 2.0 Card**
 > ISA1: (shared with PCI slot) empty
 > ISA2: 56k modem
 >
 > OS: Windows XP Pro (latest SP installed + latest updates, etc)
 >
 > Here's the website for the USB Card:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335</font" target="_blank">http://www.bencole.com/singleproduct.asp?search=08335&partnum=08335</font</a>>
 >
 > (Got it for $5 on sale from MicroCenter BTW).
 >
 > I installed it, the drivers installed fine, and card was detected
correctly.
 > No exclamation marks in Device Manager. The first sign something was wrong
 > was when I powered on a USB 2.0 device (Adaptec MPEG2 encoder) connected
to
 > the USB 2.0 Card, the system just automatically rebooted itself right when
I
 > powered on the device. I unplugged that device and stuck it into a USB 1.1
 > hub connected and it is detected fine. Then I tried plugging in my webcam
to
 > the USB 2.0 Card but the Logitech software could not find the camera.
 > Unplugged the webcam and plugged it into the USB 1.1 hub and the software
 > can find it. So it looks like the USB 2.0 card can't find anything
connected
 > to it (it is downward compatible to usb1.1 devices BTW).
 >
 > Any ideas? I have the latest drivers for the card installed already.
Perhaps
 > I just have too many PCI cards installed? I'm hesitant to move the PCI
cards
 > around as before installed the USB 2.0 Card, the system has been very
 > stable. Even with the USB2.0 Card installed now everything else besides
that
 > card works fine. Any ideas on what I should do next?
 >
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:06 pm
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 > No, that has nothing to do with it. Because a PCI card is 2.2
 > compliant doesn't mean it's 2.1 incompatible. More likely the
 > problem is related to IRQ sharing (either with another PCI slot
 > or with an onboard device in the BH6), a bum card or poorly
 > written drivers.

OK, I see, but why do some manufacturers/resellers then state that their PCI 2.2
compliant USB 2.0 cards doesn't work with PCI v 2.1?

Quotes:
"Please note they both need a PCI v2.2 slot"
"It requires a PCI v 2.2 spec interface"
"The 4 ports USB 2.0 Upgrade indeed requires the newer PCI 2.2 slots"
"This product requires the 2.2 standard"

That's what made *me* believe there *was* an incompatibility issue...
Are *some* 2.2 compliant cards incomaptible, and some not?? A real mess...

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:06 pm
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"mw" <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message news:btm06k$j6o$1@news.solace.mh.se...
  > > No, that has nothing to do with it. Because a PCI card is 2.2
  > > compliant doesn't mean it's 2.1 incompatible. More likely the
  > > problem is related to IRQ sharing (either with another PCI slot
  > > or with an onboard device in the BH6), a bum card or poorly
  > > written drivers.
 >
 > OK, I see, but why do some manufacturers/resellers then state that their PCI 2.2
 > compliant USB 2.0 cards doesn't work with PCI v 2.1?
 >
 > Quotes:
 > "Please note they both need a PCI v2.2 slot"
 > "It requires a PCI v 2.2 spec interface"
 > "The 4 ports USB 2.0 Upgrade indeed requires the newer PCI 2.2 slots"
 > "This product requires the 2.2 standard"
 >
 > That's what made *me* believe there *was* an incompatibility issue...
 > Are *some* 2.2 compliant cards incomaptible, and some not?? A real mess...

The card manufacturer in question doesn't mention any of those
claims. They simply say the card is 2.2 compliant. If you look at
the changes made between PCI 2.1 and 2.2, most are either
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:06 pm
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"Rick" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:btm489$8qktc$1@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de...
 > "mw" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:btm06k$j6o$1@news.solace.mh.se...
   > > > No, that has nothing to do with it. Because a PCI card is 2.2
   > > > compliant doesn't mean it's 2.1 incompatible. More likely the
   > > > problem is related to IRQ sharing (either with another PCI slot
   > > > or with an onboard device in the BH6), a bum card or poorly
   > > > written drivers.
  > >
  > > OK, I see, but why do some manufacturers/resellers then state that their PCI 2.2
  > > compliant USB 2.0 cards doesn't work with PCI v 2.1?
  > >
  > > Quotes:
  > > "Please note they both need a PCI v2.2 slot"
  > > "It requires a PCI v 2.2 spec interface"
  > > "The 4 ports USB 2.0 Upgrade indeed requires the newer PCI 2.2 slots"
  > > "This product requires the 2.2 standard"
  > >
  > > That's what made *me* believe there *was* an incompatibility issue...
  > > Are *some* 2.2 compliant cards incomaptible, and some not?? A real mess...
 >
 > The card manufacturer in question doesn't mention any of those
 > claims. They simply say the card is 2.2 compliant. If you look at
 > the changes made between PCI 2.1 and 2.2, most are either
 > documentation clarifications or

sorry..

....or other things that wouldn't cause a card to not work at all.
See:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/conventional_pci/2_2sum1215.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/conventional_pci/2_2...1215.pd</a>

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:04 pm
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  >> OK, I see, but why do some manufacturers/resellers then state that
  >> their PCI 2.2 compliant USB 2.0 cards doesn't work with PCI v 2.1?
  >>
  >> Quotes:
  >> "Please note they both need a PCI v2.2 slot"
  >> "It requires a PCI v 2.2 spec interface"
  >> "The 4 ports USB 2.0 Upgrade indeed requires the newer PCI 2.2 slots"
  >> "This product requires the 2.2 standard"
  >>
  >> That's what made *me* believe there *was* an incompatibility issue...
  >> Are *some* 2.2 compliant cards incomaptible, and some not?? A real
  >> mess...
 >
 > The card manufacturer in question doesn't mention any of those
 > claims. They simply say the card is 2.2 compliant. If you look at
 > the changes made between PCI 2.1 and 2.2, most are either
 > documentation clarifications or other things that wouldn't cause
 > a card to not work at all.
 > See:
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/conventional_pci/2_2sum1215.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/conventional_pci/2_2...1215.pd</a>

I have seen that, but understood only fragments of it... Smile

You (as well as Richard Hopkins: "It should still work. PCI 2.2 compliant
products should be backwards compatible with PCI 2.1 boards") mean there's no
"interface" reason why a card
wouldn't work with PCI 2.1?

According to my (limited, only 6 different card manufacturers) experience most
of the cards stating "PCI 2.2 compliance" indeed is said *not* to work with PCI
2.1. At least that's what the tech support dept's say when asking - but maybe
they (too Smile have misunderstood the whole "compliance thing"?
Makes no sense to me...

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:04 pm
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"mw" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message news:btmkhp$oi4$1@news.solace.mh.se...
   > >> OK, I see, but why do some manufacturers/resellers then state that
   > >> their PCI 2.2 compliant USB 2.0 cards doesn't work with PCI v 2.1?
   > >>
   > >> Quotes:
   > >> "Please note they both need a PCI v2.2 slot"
   > >> "It requires a PCI v 2.2 spec interface"
   > >> "The 4 ports USB 2.0 Upgrade indeed requires the newer PCI 2.2 slots"
   > >> "This product requires the 2.2 standard"
   > >>
   > >> That's what made *me* believe there *was* an incompatibility issue...
   > >> Are *some* 2.2 compliant cards incomaptible, and some not?? A real
   > >> mess...
  > >
  > > The card manufacturer in question doesn't mention any of those
  > > claims. They simply say the card is 2.2 compliant. If you look at
  > > the changes made between PCI 2.1 and 2.2, most are either
  > > documentation clarifications or other things that wouldn't cause
  > > a card to not work at all.
  > > See:
  > >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/conventional_pci/2_2sum1215.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/conventional_pci/2_2...1215.pd</a>>
 >
 > I have seen that, but understood only fragments of it... Smile
 >
 > You (as well as Richard Hopkins: "It should still work. PCI 2.2 compliant
 > products should be backwards compatible with PCI 2.1 boards") mean there's no
 > "interface" reason why a card
 > wouldn't work with PCI 2.1?

Not no reason, it's just very unlikely. Symptoms of incompatibility
would be relatively minor things like power management and
hibernation problems, it wouldn't cause the problem the original
poster was having.

 > According to my (limited, only 6 different card manufacturers) experience most
 > of the cards stating "PCI 2.2 compliance" indeed is said *not* to work with PCI
 > 2.1. At least that's what the tech support dept's say when asking - but maybe
 > they (too Smile have misunderstood the whole "compliance thing"?
 > Makes no sense to me...

That's not been my experience. I've never heard a tech support
rep claim their product required a PCI 2.2 slot, even though the
products were "2.2 compliant".

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