BIOS see's a 20 & 80GB but not W98SE (503+)

In article <405F35F4.17AA8654.TakeThisOut@zxeng.com>, Alex Zorrilla <apz.TakeThisOut@zxeng.com>
wrote
 >Den wrote:
 >
  >> I can see two drives in system properties but only as
  >> two type 47 drives, plus only one shows in explorer.
  >>
  >> Plus BIOS shows both drive names & sizes correctly,
  >> though I think the 503+ has always shown the original
  >> 20GB as type 47 in W98.
  >>
  >> Den

 >The "Type 47 Drive" issue is fairly common and nothing to worry about.
 >Actually, most systems that I have seen do this, especially older
 >systems. I actually remember being surprised the first time I saw the
 >Device Manager show the make and model of the drive, instead of Type 47
 >or Type 80. It may be annoying or confusing, but it is nothing to worry
 >about.
 >
Yea, Winderz9x is too dumb to identify them beyond a vague guess.
The one reliable and useful aspect of the notorious VIA BM drivers is
that they do at least tell us what hard drives are installed, even if
they have screwed them up.
 >As for the 80GB drive not showing up in the Windows Explorer... have you
 >partitioned and formatted the drive yet? It will not not show up with a
 >drive letter until you actually do this, though it will show up in the
 >Device Manager. The same thing also applies if the disk has a file
 >system that Windows 98 cannot recognize, like NTFS or some sort of Linux
 >partition.
 >
The version of fdisk.exe that came with my W98SE is incapable of
recognising hard drives of greater than a certain size - I think it's
64GB - and it could only see 12GB of either of my new 80GB hard drives.
Fortunately MS released a patch containing an updated fdisk.exe which
will handle this. It was the MSKB Q263044 patch, downloaded as
263044usa8.exe (sorry no URL, but a search will turn it up quickly
enough.) Works a treat with 80GB.

It is easy enough to partition a hard drive using the manufacturers
utility, they all have one (somewhere in some obscure corner of the
website), but these have always left traces after I've uninstalled them
thoroughly, and these traces have barred entry to the HD by other deep
utils like Partition Magic. I'd rather use fdisk despite it's limited
scope.

Cheers
--
Roger Hunt<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: BIOS see's a 20 & 80GB but not W98SE (503+) 

When using a Promise controller, you will see the name brand of the
drive in device mangler, the MS drivers simply do not bother to
identify the drive beyond basic parameter info.

--
Best regards,
Kyle
"Alex Zorrilla" <apz RemoveThis @zxeng.com> wrote in message
news:405F35F4.17AA8654@zxeng.com...
| The "Type 47 Drive" issue is fairly common and nothing to worry
about.
| Actually, most systems that I have seen do this, especially older
| systems. I actually remember being surprised the first time I saw
the
| Device Manager show the make and model of the drive, instead of Type
47
| or Type 80. It may be annoying or confusing, but it is nothing to
worry
| about.
|
| As for the 80GB drive not showing up in the Windows Explorer... have
you
| partitioned and formatted the drive yet? It will not not show up
with a
| drive letter until you actually do this, though it will show up in
the
| Device Manager. The same thing also applies if the disk has a file
| system that Windows 98 cannot recognize, like NTFS or some sort of
Linux
| partition.
|
| --Alex
|
|
| Den wrote:
|
| > I can see two drives in system properties but only as
| > two type 47 drives, plus only one shows in explorer.
| >
| > Plus BIOS shows both drive names & sizes correctly,
| > though I think the 503+ has always shown the original
| > 20GB as type 47 in W98.
| >
| > Den
|
 >> Stay informed about: BIOS see's a 20 & 80GB but not W98SE (503+) 

"Kyle Brant" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c3ppbi$2aifg2$1@ID-57815.news.uni-berlin.de...
 > When using a Promise controller, you will see the name brand of the
 > drive in device mangler, the MS drivers simply do not bother to
 > identify the drive beyond basic parameter info.
 >
This could be it, as I am not using any controller but direct
to the MB IDE, the original Maxtor 20GB has never shown
the type name in W98SE only the BIOS and some test utilities.
Though even some of these mistake the 503+ for the 2013 MB,
(using a CMD649-IDE controller on this 2013) but this has always
shown HD information correctly, from the 6.4GB up to the 80GB.

I am unclear about what the VIA BM is. ah, found it and the lastest
but now oldish VIA 4in1 version 4.35 AND NOW 4in1443v.

The trouble started after getting into trouble with the Linux dual-boot
which was on the 20GB but the 2rnd 80GB HD had the W98SE setup
on it and booted OK until I swapped things around, but still did
on its own as master.

I am thinking of trying a MS format as after getting the 80GB
drive formated as a slave drive I am now getting a new problem
in that I am now getting the the MS wanting to rollback the 20GB
master drive.(not an fault/option I have had in the past)
Though this could be the many things, including the latest TNT2,
VIA4in1, etc drivers.

The original 80GB was formated & partitioned and a transfer of W98SE
using the Maxtor utilities, until I messed up the Linux (on the 20GB master)
but cleared with MS Fdisk/Format/reinstall, thank goodness.

The worst part is when disaster strikes it is WHAT caused it
as they do not always show up after the upgrade, even in the past
I had not installed all the VIA4in1 options, though did this time.

Den<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: BIOS see's a 20 & 80GB but not W98SE (503+) 

WinMe and its utilities-fdisk-format can easily handle the 80Gb disks,
and the older VIA-VP3 chipset MB (zida) can handle 40Gb with no any
problems!


Den wrote:
 > "Kyle Brant" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c3ppbi$2aifg2$1@ID-57815.news.uni-berlin.de...
 >
  >>When using a Promise controller, you will see the name brand of the
  >>drive in device mangler, the MS drivers simply do not bother to
  >>identify the drive beyond basic parameter info.
  >>
 >
 > This could be it, as I am not using any controller but direct
 > to the MB IDE, the original Maxtor 20GB has never shown
 > the type name in W98SE only the BIOS and some test utilities.
 > Though even some of these mistake the 503+ for the 2013 MB,
 > (using a CMD649-IDE controller on this 2013) but this has always
 > shown HD information correctly, from the 6.4GB up to the 80GB.
 >
 > I am unclear about what the VIA BM is. ah, found it and the lastest
 > but now oldish VIA 4in1 version 4.35 AND NOW 4in1443v.
 >
 > The trouble started after getting into trouble with the Linux dual-boot
 > which was on the 20GB but the 2rnd 80GB HD had the W98SE setup
 > on it and booted OK until I swapped things around, but still did
 > on its own as master.
 >
 > I am thinking of trying a MS format as after getting the 80GB
 > drive formated as a slave drive I am now getting a new problem
 > in that I am now getting the the MS wanting to rollback the 20GB
 > master drive.(not an fault/option I have had in the past)
 > Though this could be the many things, including the latest TNT2,
 > VIA4in1, etc drivers.
 >
 > The original 80GB was formated & partitioned and a transfer of W98SE
 > using the Maxtor utilities, until I messed up the Linux (on the 20GB master)
 > but cleared with MS Fdisk/Format/reinstall, thank goodness.
 >
 > The worst part is when disaster strikes it is WHAT caused it
 > as they do not always show up after the upgrade, even in the past
 > I had not installed all the VIA4in1 options, though did this time.
 >
 > Den
 >
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 >> Stay informed about: BIOS see's a 20 & 80GB but not W98SE (503+)