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Since: Jan 04, 2004 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:47 pm
Post subject: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>mainboard>shuttle, others (more info?)
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I am looking to build a "medium power" Shuttle-based system, mostly for
general computing (internet and light office and graphics work), Linux
and hobbiest programming purposes (my own programs are small, but I
would like some power for compiling some of the larger Linux open source
projects (e.g., Mozilla with certain options enabled)). I am not much
of a gamer (only non-free games I own are QII and Q3A). Looking at the
alternate.de ads in a recent c't Magazine, I priced out the following
system. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether I would be
overbuying or underbuying in any particular category, given my objective:
Shuttle SN45G 249 Eur
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
Corsair DDR400 1.0 GB RAM (Doublepack Dual Channel) 252 Eur
Video Card:
Club3D ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
or
Leadtek A360TD GeForce FX5700 (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
Maxtor 120 GB U-133 IDE 8MB cache/7200 RPM 94 Eur
Samsung CD-RW+DVD Player 74 Eur
Floppy 10 Eur
Total: 947 Eur
If I drop down to 512 MB RAM (140 Eur) and a Radeon 9200 or GeForce 5200
(89 Eur) I can get the total down to 775 Eur. I would use a spare CRT
monitor for now, but would hope later to get a 17" LCD screen with DVI,
which I guess will cost about 450 Eur.
Several particular questions:
1. Does DDR400 memory provide any benefits over DDR333, given that the
Athlon is 333MHz?
2. Memory is often designated as "233", "232", "222", etc., with the
lower-numbered memory being slightly more expensive. I assume this has
something to do with how the memory uses the clock cycle. What cycle
would be appropriate for the SN45G and the Athlon mentioned above?
3. Is the TV-out function of a graphics card "international"? That is,
will it work for both PAL and NTSC televisions?
4. Have people generally had good experience with alternate.de?
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Since: Jan 05, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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xyzabc wrote:
> I am looking to build a "medium power" Shuttle-based system, mostly for
> general computing (internet and light office and graphics work), Linux
> and hobbiest programming purposes (my own programs are small, but I
> would like some power for compiling some of the larger Linux open source
> projects (e.g., Mozilla with certain options enabled)). I am not much
> of a gamer (only non-free games I own are QII and Q3A). Looking at the
> alternate.de ads in a recent c't Magazine, I priced out the following
> system. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether I would be
> overbuying or underbuying in any particular category, given my objective:
>
> Shuttle SN45G 249 Eur
> AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
> Corsair DDR400 1.0 GB RAM (Doublepack Dual Channel) 252 Eur
> Video Card:
> Club3D ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> or
> Leadtek A360TD GeForce FX5700 (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> Maxtor 120 GB U-133 IDE 8MB cache/7200 RPM 94 Eur
> Samsung CD-RW+DVD Player 74 Eur
> Floppy 10 Eur
>
> Total: 947 Eur
>
> If I drop down to 512 MB RAM (140 Eur) and a Radeon 9200 or GeForce 5200
> (89 Eur) I can get the total down to 775 Eur. I would use a spare CRT
> monitor for now, but would hope later to get a 17" LCD screen with DVI,
> which I guess will cost about 450 Eur.
>
> Several particular questions:
>
> 1. Does DDR400 memory provide any benefits over DDR333, given that the
> Athlon is 333MHz?
>
Various benchmarks show that the DDR333 will be faster with that Athlon.
> 2. Memory is often designated as "233", "232", "222", etc., with the
> lower-numbered memory being slightly more expensive. I assume this has
> something to do with how the memory uses the clock cycle. What cycle
> would be appropriate for the SN45G and the Athlon mentioned above?
>
> 3. Is the TV-out function of a graphics card "international"? That is,
> will it work for both PAL and NTSC televisions?
>
> 4. Have people generally had good experience with alternate.de?
>
> Thanks in advance.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System |
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Since: Nov 21, 2003 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:25 am
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> > If I drop down to 512 MB RAM (140 Eur) and a Radeon 9200 or GeForce 5200
> > (89 Eur) I can get the total down to 775 Eur. I would use a spare CRT
> > monitor for now, but would hope later to get a 17" LCD screen with DVI,
> > which I guess will cost about 450 Eur.
512Mb and no graphics card has been fine for me: I don't play games
either so I've found that assigning 64Mb memory to the onboard
graphics runs all office apps, video making software and image progs
like photoshop without any problems.
> > Several particular questions:
> >
> > 1. Does DDR400 memory provide any benefits over DDR333, given that the
> > Athlon is 333MHz?
No
> > 3. Is the TV-out function of a graphics card "international"? That is,
> > will it work for both PAL and NTSC televisions?
Yes, it's configurable in the bios
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Since: Jan 08, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:54 am
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Mark" <mark DeleteThis @serlin.co.uk> wrote in message
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> 512Mb and no graphics card has been fine for me: I don't play games
> either so I've found that assigning 64Mb memory to the onboard
> graphics runs all office apps, video making software and image progs
> like photoshop without any problems.
>
Than you DON"T have an SN45G................this model has NO onboard video.
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Since: Jan 08, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:57 am
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"xyzabc" <xyzabc RemoveThis @tonline.de> wrote in message
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> I am looking to build a "medium power" Shuttle-based system, mostly for
> general computing (internet and light office and graphics work), Linux
> and hobbiest programming purposes (my own programs are small, but I
> would like some power for compiling some of the larger Linux open source
> projects (e.g., Mozilla with certain options enabled)). I am not much
> of a gamer (only non-free games I own are QII and Q3A). Looking at the
> alternate.de ads in a recent c't Magazine, I priced out the following
> system. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether I would be
> overbuying or underbuying in any particular category, given my objective:
>
> Shuttle SN45G 249 Eur
> AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
Why boxed?? The shuttle comes with a heatpipe and cooler, saves you a few
euro;s
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Since: Dec 17, 2003 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In article <3ffcb2e1$0$15180$e4fe514c@dreader14.news.xs4all.nl>,
"Vertexsc" <marcelfacd.RemoveThis@lycos.nl> wrote:
> > AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
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> Why boxed?? The shuttle comes with a heatpipe and cooler, saves you a few
> euro;s
This may have nothing to do with it but...
One of the suppliers I use said they prefer to sell the boxed product
due to the longer manufacturer's warranty.
In my case, we were discussing the Intel product. According to the
supplier the warranty on the box product was one year but a mere 90 days
on the oem tray. For this reason the supplier stocks only the box.
Anyone want to buy a brand new heat sink and fan?
hth,
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Since: Jan 03, 2004 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>mainboard>shuttle (more info?)
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I just bought the components to build a new SN45G system. I wanted the AMD
2500+ pre week 39 for OC'ding. Here's what I put together with prices:
+ SNG45G barebone (boxed) for $239 with no tax and free shipping
+ Hitachi 180 gig ATA100 7200 rpm HD: $70 after rebates (Fry's had a one day
sale)
+ Athlon XP 2500+ Week 34 for $128 (which included tax and shipping). This
could OC to 3000+
+ 1 gig Micron DDR 2700 333 (2 - 512 sticks) for $66.45/stick = $132.90
(lifetime warranty)
+ No name CDRW that was $10 after rebates from one of the office supply
(Staples, Office Depot, etc.)
+ Iceberq RAM heat spreaders for both sticks at $4.50 each
+ ATI 9600 Pro 256 for $154 (no shipping or tax)
+ Shuttle Cloth carry bag for $24
MS XP Pro (full version) for $90
I used Cooler Master Premium compound on the CPU and then attached the
I.C.E. system. Send it to my son (who its for) so he can finish the buildout
(hd format, OS install, drives, etc.). I built him one of the small boxes
(gBox) 2 years ago using the P4 1.8 and it was a nice box bu this Shuttle is
light, well laid out and even smaller than the gBox. Looks like it should be
very nice when finished.
"Shayne Flint" <shayne RemoveThis @flint-family.net> wrote in message
news:3ff94c15@news.comindico.com.au...
> xyzabc wrote:
>
> > I am looking to build a "medium power" Shuttle-based system, mostly for
> > general computing (internet and light office and graphics work), Linux
> > and hobbiest programming purposes (my own programs are small, but I
> > would like some power for compiling some of the larger Linux open source
> > projects (e.g., Mozilla with certain options enabled)). I am not much
> > of a gamer (only non-free games I own are QII and Q3A). Looking at the
> > alternate.de ads in a recent c't Magazine, I priced out the following
> > system. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether I would be
> > overbuying or underbuying in any particular category, given my
objective:
> >
> > Shuttle SN45G 249 Eur
> > AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
> > Corsair DDR400 1.0 GB RAM (Doublepack Dual Channel) 252 Eur
> > Video Card:
> > Club3D ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> > or
> > Leadtek A360TD GeForce FX5700 (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> > Maxtor 120 GB U-133 IDE 8MB cache/7200 RPM 94 Eur
> > Samsung CD-RW+DVD Player 74 Eur
> > Floppy 10 Eur
> >
> > Total: 947 Eur
> >
> > If I drop down to 512 MB RAM (140 Eur) and a Radeon 9200 or GeForce 5200
> > (89 Eur) I can get the total down to 775 Eur. I would use a spare CRT
> > monitor for now, but would hope later to get a 17" LCD screen with DVI,
> > which I guess will cost about 450 Eur.
> >
> > Several particular questions:
> >
> > 1. Does DDR400 memory provide any benefits over DDR333, given that the
> > Athlon is 333MHz?
> >
>
> Various benchmarks show that the DDR333 will be faster with that Athlon.
>
> > 2. Memory is often designated as "233", "232", "222", etc., with the
> > lower-numbered memory being slightly more expensive. I assume this has
> > something to do with how the memory uses the clock cycle. What cycle
> > would be appropriate for the SN45G and the Athlon mentioned above?
> >
> > 3. Is the TV-out function of a graphics card "international"? That is,
> > will it work for both PAL and NTSC televisions?
> >
> > 4. Have people generally had good experience with alternate.de?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
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Since: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 43
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Building a Shuttle SN45G/Athlon Based System [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Shame you went for PC2700 - should have gone for PC3200 if you want to
overclock
Dom
"Richard" <dryland.DeleteThis@3-eagles.com> wrote in message
news:m7ZLb.15623$Rc4.62292@attbi_s54...
> I just bought the components to build a new SN45G system. I wanted the AMD
> 2500+ pre week 39 for OC'ding. Here's what I put together with prices:
>
> + SNG45G barebone (boxed) for $239 with no tax and free shipping
> + Hitachi 180 gig ATA100 7200 rpm HD: $70 after rebates (Fry's had a one
day
> sale)
> + Athlon XP 2500+ Week 34 for $128 (which included tax and shipping). This
> could OC to 3000+
> + 1 gig Micron DDR 2700 333 (2 - 512 sticks) for $66.45/stick = $132.90
> (lifetime warranty)
> + No name CDRW that was $10 after rebates from one of the office supply
> (Staples, Office Depot, etc.)
> + Iceberq RAM heat spreaders for both sticks at $4.50 each
> + ATI 9600 Pro 256 for $154 (no shipping or tax)
> + Shuttle Cloth carry bag for $24
> MS XP Pro (full version) for $90
>
> I used Cooler Master Premium compound on the CPU and then attached the
> I.C.E. system. Send it to my son (who its for) so he can finish the
buildout
> (hd format, OS install, drives, etc.). I built him one of the small boxes
> (gBox) 2 years ago using the P4 1.8 and it was a nice box bu this Shuttle
is
> light, well laid out and even smaller than the gBox. Looks like it should
be
> very nice when finished.
>
>
> "Shayne Flint" <shayne.DeleteThis@flint-family.net> wrote in message
> news:3ff94c15@news.comindico.com.au...
> > xyzabc wrote:
> >
> > > I am looking to build a "medium power" Shuttle-based system, mostly
for
> > > general computing (internet and light office and graphics work), Linux
> > > and hobbiest programming purposes (my own programs are small, but I
> > > would like some power for compiling some of the larger Linux open
source
> > > projects (e.g., Mozilla with certain options enabled)). I am not much
> > > of a gamer (only non-free games I own are QII and Q3A). Looking at
the
> > > alternate.de ads in a recent c't Magazine, I priced out the following
> > > system. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether I would be
> > > overbuying or underbuying in any particular category, given my
> objective:
> > >
> > > Shuttle SN45G 249 Eur
> > > AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
> > > Corsair DDR400 1.0 GB RAM (Doublepack Dual Channel) 252 Eur
> > > Video Card:
> > > Club3D ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> > > or
> > > Leadtek A360TD GeForce FX5700 (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> > > Maxtor 120 GB U-133 IDE 8MB cache/7200 RPM 94 Eur
> > > Samsung CD-RW+DVD Player 74 Eur
> > > Floppy 10 Eur
> > >
> > > Total: 947 Eur
> > >
> > > If I drop down to 512 MB RAM (140 Eur) and a Radeon 9200 or GeForce
5200
> > > (89 Eur) I can get the total down to 775 Eur. I would use a spare CRT
> > > monitor for now, but would hope later to get a 17" LCD screen with
DVI,
> > > which I guess will cost about 450 Eur.
> > >
> > > Several particular questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Does DDR400 memory provide any benefits over DDR333, given that
the
> > > Athlon is 333MHz?
> > >
> >
> > Various benchmarks show that the DDR333 will be faster with that Athlon.
> >
> > > 2. Memory is often designated as "233", "232", "222", etc., with the
> > > lower-numbered memory being slightly more expensive. I assume this
has
> > > something to do with how the memory uses the clock cycle. What cycle
> > > would be appropriate for the SN45G and the Athlon mentioned above?
> > >
> > > 3. Is the TV-out function of a graphics card "international"? That
is,
> > > will it work for both PAL and NTSC televisions?
> > >
> > > 4. Have people generally had good experience with alternate.de?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:11 pm
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I've got 3200 of needed. Thought we would see what the 2700 does first.
"D R Tester" <dr.tester[nospam]@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message
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> Shame you went for PC2700 - should have gone for PC3200 if you want to
> overclock
> Dom
>
> "Richard" <dryland RemoveThis @3-eagles.com> wrote in message
> news:m7ZLb.15623$Rc4.62292@attbi_s54...
> > I just bought the components to build a new SN45G system. I wanted the
AMD
> > 2500+ pre week 39 for OC'ding. Here's what I put together with prices:
> >
> > + SNG45G barebone (boxed) for $239 with no tax and free shipping
> > + Hitachi 180 gig ATA100 7200 rpm HD: $70 after rebates (Fry's had a one
> day
> > sale)
> > + Athlon XP 2500+ Week 34 for $128 (which included tax and shipping).
This
> > could OC to 3000+
> > + 1 gig Micron DDR 2700 333 (2 - 512 sticks) for $66.45/stick = $132.90
> > (lifetime warranty)
> > + No name CDRW that was $10 after rebates from one of the office supply
> > (Staples, Office Depot, etc.)
> > + Iceberq RAM heat spreaders for both sticks at $4.50 each
> > + ATI 9600 Pro 256 for $154 (no shipping or tax)
> > + Shuttle Cloth carry bag for $24
> > MS XP Pro (full version) for $90
> >
> > I used Cooler Master Premium compound on the CPU and then attached the
> > I.C.E. system. Send it to my son (who its for) so he can finish the
> buildout
> > (hd format, OS install, drives, etc.). I built him one of the small
boxes
> > (gBox) 2 years ago using the P4 1.8 and it was a nice box bu this
Shuttle
> is
> > light, well laid out and even smaller than the gBox. Looks like it
should
> be
> > very nice when finished.
> >
> >
> > "Shayne Flint" <shayne RemoveThis @flint-family.net> wrote in message
> > news:3ff94c15@news.comindico.com.au...
> > > xyzabc wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am looking to build a "medium power" Shuttle-based system, mostly
> for
> > > > general computing (internet and light office and graphics work),
Linux
> > > > and hobbiest programming purposes (my own programs are small, but I
> > > > would like some power for compiling some of the larger Linux open
> source
> > > > projects (e.g., Mozilla with certain options enabled)). I am not
much
> > > > of a gamer (only non-free games I own are QII and Q3A). Looking at
> the
> > > > alternate.de ads in a recent c't Magazine, I priced out the
following
> > > > system. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether I would be
> > > > overbuying or underbuying in any particular category, given my
> > objective:
> > > >
> > > > Shuttle SN45G 249 Eur
> > > > AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) Boxed 119 Eur
> > > > Corsair DDR400 1.0 GB RAM (Doublepack Dual Channel) 252 Eur
> > > > Video Card:
> > > > Club3D ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> > > > or
> > > > Leadtek A360TD GeForce FX5700 (TV Out, DVI) 159 Eur
> > > > Maxtor 120 GB U-133 IDE 8MB cache/7200 RPM 94 Eur
> > > > Samsung CD-RW+DVD Player 74 Eur
> > > > Floppy 10 Eur
> > > >
> > > > Total: 947 Eur
> > > >
> > > > If I drop down to 512 MB RAM (140 Eur) and a Radeon 9200 or GeForce
> 5200
> > > > (89 Eur) I can get the total down to 775 Eur. I would use a spare
CRT
> > > > monitor for now, but would hope later to get a 17" LCD screen with
> DVI,
> > > > which I guess will cost about 450 Eur.
> > > >
> > > > Several particular questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Does DDR400 memory provide any benefits over DDR333, given that
> the
> > > > Athlon is 333MHz?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Various benchmarks show that the DDR333 will be faster with that
Athlon.
> > >
> > > > 2. Memory is often designated as "233", "232", "222", etc., with
the
> > > > lower-numbered memory being slightly more expensive. I assume this
> has
> > > > something to do with how the memory uses the clock cycle. What
cycle
> > > > would be appropriate for the SN45G and the Athlon mentioned above?
> > > >
> > > > 3. Is the TV-out function of a graphics card "international"? That
> is,
> > > > will it work for both PAL and NTSC televisions?
> > > >
> > > > 4. Have people generally had good experience with alternate.de?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> >
> >
>
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