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Joline

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:53 am
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I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
since received notification from the company that they are required to
change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
what questions should I ask them?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:28 pm
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Do you have any idea what processor you were supposed to get?


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"Joline" <pokie24772.DeleteThis@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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 > I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
 > since received notification from the company that they are required to
 > change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
 > In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
 > speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
 > was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
 > knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
 > what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
 > information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
 > what questions should I ask them?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Michael Brown

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:31 am
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Joline wrote:
 > I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
 > since received notification from the company that they are required to
 > change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
 > In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
 > speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
 > was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
 > knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
 > what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
 > information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
 > what questions should I ask them?

Dell currently uses three CPUs (all Intel): the Prescott (1024kb of cache),
the Northwood P4 (512kb of cache), and the Celeron P4 (128kb of Cache). If
you're going from a Prescott to a Northwood, you will probably actually
notice a performance increase, despite having less cache. If you're ending
up with a Celeron, though, you'll notice a HUGE performance knock. In most
tasks, a 2.6GHz P4 Celeron is approximately equal to a 1.8 GHz Northwood,
though in some cases it can be as slow as a 1.2GHz P4 (if such a chip
existed).

I can't beleive that Dell would try and slip you a Celeron, but it'd best to
actually ask them exactly what CPU you are getting.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:31 am
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"Michael Brown" <see.DeleteThis@signature.below> wrote in message
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 > Joline wrote:
  > > I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
  > > since received notification from the company that they are required to
  > > change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
  > > In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
  > > speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
  > > was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
  > > knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
  > > what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
  > > information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
  > > what questions should I ask them?
 >
 > Dell currently uses three CPUs (all Intel): the Prescott (1024kb of
cache),
 > the Northwood P4 (512kb of cache), and the Celeron P4 (128kb of Cache). If
 > you're going from a Prescott to a Northwood, you will probably actually
 > notice a performance increase, despite having less cache. If you're ending
 > up with a Celeron, though, you'll notice a HUGE performance knock. In most
 > tasks, a 2.6GHz P4 Celeron is approximately equal to a 1.8 GHz Northwood,
 > though in some cases it can be as slow as a 1.2GHz P4 (if such a chip
 > existed).
 >
 > I can't beleive that Dell would try and slip you a Celeron, but it'd best
to
 > actually ask them exactly what CPU you are getting.
 >
 > --
 > Michael Brown
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.emboss.co.nz" target="_blank">www.emboss.co.nz</a> : OOS/RSI software and more Smile
 > Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open
 >
 >

Fortunately for you...I don't think the Dimension 8300 can be configured
with a Celeron. So more than likely it's the Prescott to Northwood.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Courseyauto

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:31 am
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Fortunately for you...I don't think the Dimension 8300 can be configured
with a Celeron. So more than likely it's the Prescott to Northwood.


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Which will be an improvement over the prescott.....................
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Joline

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:42 pm
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courseyauto RemoveThis @aol.com (Courseyauto) wrote in message news:<20040226101030.20136.00000417 RemoveThis @mb-m27.aol.com>...
 > Fortunately for you...I don't think the Dimension 8300 can be configured
 > with a Celeron. So more than likely it's the Prescott to Northwood.
 >
 >
 > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 >
 > Which will be an improvement over the prescott.....................


Thanks for providing your response. Unfortunately I hadn't followed
up these responses before agreeing to the order in its new
configuration - that is, a Northwood processor from Intel with 512KB
cache (instead of a Prescott processor 1MB cache per initial request).
Rather than accepting a 128MB USB memory key at $99 to compensate the
reduced cache capacity, which I don't think will serve any purpose, I
requested an increase in RAM from 512MB to 1GB, which I had assumed
would compensate for the loss in cache capacity. Dell approved the
request at no extra cost. At the time, their "customise desktop" web
page (for Australia) offered an increase to 1GB RAM from 512MB for an
additional $221. I have since revisited that web page several days
later, and now the standard configuration for Dimension 8300 is 512MB
cache and 1GB RAM. The desktop is still an Intel P4, not a Celeron. I
wonder if I had made the right choice as I am not well versed on the
difference between a Prescott and a Northwood and if having the same
clock speed but with less cache and an increase in RAM will make a
difference. I would be interested to hear your comments on that. I
have also noted in another forum a suggestion for another person with
same problem to wait a couple of months until Dell receives a further
supply of Prescott 1MB cache. Will it ever happen and what then?
Should I then order a replacement of the cache component and pay
extra? Would it be worth it? I worry that it may slow down my work
i.e. video editing and graphic illustrations.

Joline<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Phil Weldon

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:08 am
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Dell really ought not to pull a switch on you; the offer to make up the
difference with a fairly useless trinket adds insult to injury. Since you
will use the system for video and graphics editing, the expansion to 1 GByte
main memory will be a definite advantage, while the difference between a 1
MByte L2 cache and a 1/2 MByte L2 cache may not show up as plainly. What
MAY be important, especially in the future (as software begins to take
advantage) is the extra set of SIMD instructions that the "Prescott" has and
the "Northwood" does not (Single Instruction Multiple Data instructions are
useful for graphics, audio, and video manipulation.) Though there have been
some questions about the longer 'pipeline' for instructions in the
"Prescott" compared to the "Northwood" video, audio, and graphics
manipulation contains a lot of repetitive proceedures, so a longer pipeline
will not have the performance penalty that other, more random proceedures
might incur. I'd complain loudly to Dell, and ask for your original order,
but with a 3.4 "Northwood" to be replaced by Dell with a "Prescott" as soon
as available. Dell advertised it, they ought to make good, and a memory
expansion or useless trinket doesn't fulfill their offering.
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"Joline" <pokie24772.DeleteThis@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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 > courseyauto.DeleteThis@aol.com (Courseyauto) wrote in message
news:<20040226101030.20136.00000417.DeleteThis@mb-m27.aol.com>...
  > > Fortunately for you...I don't think the Dimension 8300 can be configured
  > > with a Celeron. So more than likely it's the Prescott to Northwood.
  > >
  > >
  > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  > >
  > > Which will be an improvement over the prescott.....................
 >
 >
 > Thanks for providing your response. Unfortunately I hadn't followed
 > up these responses before agreeing to the order in its new
 > configuration - that is, a Northwood processor from Intel with 512KB
 > cache (instead of a Prescott processor 1MB cache per initial request).
 > Rather than accepting a 128MB USB memory key at $99 to compensate the
 > reduced cache capacity, which I don't think will serve any purpose, I
 > requested an increase in RAM from 512MB to 1GB, which I had assumed
 > would compensate for the loss in cache capacity. Dell approved the
 > request at no extra cost. At the time, their "customise desktop" web
 > page (for Australia) offered an increase to 1GB RAM from 512MB for an
 > additional $221. I have since revisited that web page several days
 > later, and now the standard configuration for Dimension 8300 is 512MB
 > cache and 1GB RAM. The desktop is still an Intel P4, not a Celeron. I
 > wonder if I had made the right choice as I am not well versed on the
 > difference between a Prescott and a Northwood and if having the same
 > clock speed but with less cache and an increase in RAM will make a
 > difference. I would be interested to hear your comments on that. I
 > have also noted in another forum a suggestion for another person with
 > same problem to wait a couple of months until Dell receives a further
 > supply of Prescott 1MB cache. Will it ever happen and what then?
 > Should I then order a replacement of the cache component and pay
 > extra? Would it be worth it? I worry that it may slow down my work
 > i.e. video editing and graphic illustrations.
 >
 > Joline<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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