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Since: Dec 13, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:27 am
Post subject: Completely Dead barebones system?
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Hi--I've built PCs from scratch before, but decided to try doing a
barebones FIC ICE-CUBE with my daughter so it would be "easier" and
have the cool see-through sides.
Unfortunately I can't get it to power on at all.
I have tried both with and without RAM, CPU, and drives connected.
The MB has few jumpers and I'd hope they'd be set well enough at the
factory to boot--since it is a barebones machine. From the very
limited MB manual none of the jumpers seem to affect the booting
anyway.
The ATX power supply has +5 out all the time, like it should. I can
even get it to power the fans if I hook it up directly, but as soon as
I run it through the MB, nothing.
I've verified that the power switch correctly shorts the two leads
coming into it.
I'm totally at a loss to imagine what might be wrong. The MB has both
the large ATX power connector and the smaller 4-pin power connector,
plus the 2 power connectors for the PS fan and the CPU fan.
It appears something in the MB is shutting off the power (or not
turning it on).
If I'd built it I might suspect a short, but as a barebones it was put
together already, so I'm hesitant to pull it apart too much further.
Any help would be great!
--David Cardinal
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:56 am
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> Unfortunately I can't get it to power on at all.
>
Some progress. After plugging & unplugging everything a few times, and
making sure the CMOS reset jumper was correctly placed (from what I
can tell), I got the chassis to power on and the drive(s) to spin.
BUT, I get no beep and nothing on the monitor.
This is true with and without drives. I also tried with some known
good RAM from another machine. Nada.
The only other jumper on the machine (or at least documented) is for
BIOS protection, which doesn't seem like it should matter.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:21 pm
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Amazingly enough, we've figured out that everything is fine as long as
we leave the CPU cooler "loose". With either an Intel cooler or the
supplied ICE cooler, all is fine until we tighten the latches. Then
the machine will not beep or boot.
Thoughts on whether that means a short in the MB or MB to Case or P4?
It is a tiny case, so I'm not inclined to rip out the MB unless it is
a last resort (came as a barebones system, so the MB was installed at
the factory).
It was a restock (thanks, Fry's  , so there was already goop on the
cooler when we got it. Don't know if it could have gotten into
something?--David
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> --David Cardinal
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:13 pm
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David Cardinal wrote:
> Hi--I've built PCs from scratch before, but decided to try doing a
> barebones FIC ICE-CUBE with my daughter so it would be "easier" and
> have the cool see-through sides.
>
> Unfortunately I can't get it to power on at all.
>
> I have tried both with and without RAM, CPU, and drives connected.
First, place the RAM and the CPU in the mother board. The computer
will NOT boot without them.
>
> The MB has few jumpers and I'd hope they'd be set well enough at the
> factory to boot--since it is a barebones machine. From the very
> limited MB manual none of the jumpers seem to affect the booting
> anyway.
Unless the supplier said he tested the "Barebones" system before
shipping, DO NOT assume anything!!!!
>
> The ATX power supply has +5 out all the time, like it should. I can
> even get it to power the fans if I hook it up directly, but as soon as
> I run it through the MB, nothing.
Along with checking your settings for the CPU and RAM if they exist,
disconnect everything except the PS, and of course the CPU fan and heat
sink. Many MBs require a sense lead for the CPU fan before they will
turn on the PS. It is also useful to power up a MB outside of the case
so that if a short exists in the mounting of the MB, it does not enter
into your test. Placing the MB on a sheet of paper with the PS removed
from the case is the best way to establish if the hardware is good.
>
> I've verified that the power switch correctly shorts the two leads
> coming into it.
From your comment that the PS works but not with the MB attached, it
sounds like you are either drawing too much current with the MB
attached, or the MB senses a defect that prevents it from turning on the
PS. A bad CPU, no CPU fan sense, bad RAM (sometimes), inadequate PS, a
failing plugin card, reversed IDE cable, short on MB due to bad mounting
in case, are just a few. Start with as simple a scenario as you can and
add components once you get power up.
>
> I'm totally at a loss to imagine what might be wrong. The MB has both
> the large ATX power connector and the smaller 4-pin power connector,
> plus the 2 power connectors for the PS fan and the CPU fan.
I believe the 4 pin connector is for Pentium 4. Is that what you have?
Is it connected?
Double check your PS cabling and simplify your system until you get
power up.
>
> It appears something in the MB is shutting off the power (or not
> turning it on).
>
> If I'd built it I might suspect a short, but as a barebones it was put
> together already, so I'm hesitant to pull it apart too much further.
>
> Any help would be great!
>
> --David Cardinal
> photo.DeleteThis@cardinalphoto.com<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Completely Dead barebones system? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:06 pm
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Thanks for all the detailed advice. We more or less stumbled along
those lines and eventually came up with the odd fact that as long as
we left one of the two CPU cooler clips "loose" everything works. The
instant we latch it, it fails.
I'm assuming that means either a bad CPU (intermittent short) or a bad
MB (intermittent short / cold solder joing). Does that sound like a
good diagnosis?
--David
user.DeleteThis@domain.invalid wrote in message news:<Ae_Cb.194353$Ec1.7146962@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> David Cardinal wrote:
> > Hi--I've built PCs from scratch before, but decided to try doing a
> > barebones FIC ICE-CUBE with my daughter so it would be "easier" and
> > have the cool see-through sides.
> >
> > Unfortunately I can't get it to power on at all.
> >
> > I have tried both with and without RAM, CPU, and drives connected.
>
> First, place the RAM and the CPU in the mother board. The computer
> will NOT boot without them.
> >
> > The MB has few jumpers and I'd hope they'd be set well enough at the
> > factory to boot--since it is a barebones machine. From the very
> > limited MB manual none of the jumpers seem to affect the booting
> > anyway.
>
> Unless the supplier said he tested the "Barebones" system before
> shipping, DO NOT assume anything!!!!
> >
> > The ATX power supply has +5 out all the time, like it should. I can
> > even get it to power the fans if I hook it up directly, but as soon as
> > I run it through the MB, nothing.
>
> Along with checking your settings for the CPU and RAM if they exist,
> disconnect everything except the PS, and of course the CPU fan and heat
> sink. Many MBs require a sense lead for the CPU fan before they will
> turn on the PS. It is also useful to power up a MB outside of the case
> so that if a short exists in the mounting of the MB, it does not enter
> into your test. Placing the MB on a sheet of paper with the PS removed
> from the case is the best way to establish if the hardware is good.
> >
> > I've verified that the power switch correctly shorts the two leads
> > coming into it.
> From your comment that the PS works but not with the MB attached, it
> sounds like you are either drawing too much current with the MB
> attached, or the MB senses a defect that prevents it from turning on the
> PS. A bad CPU, no CPU fan sense, bad RAM (sometimes), inadequate PS, a
> failing plugin card, reversed IDE cable, short on MB due to bad mounting
> in case, are just a few. Start with as simple a scenario as you can and
> add components once you get power up.
> >
> > I'm totally at a loss to imagine what might be wrong. The MB has both
> > the large ATX power connector and the smaller 4-pin power connector,
> > plus the 2 power connectors for the PS fan and the CPU fan.
> I believe the 4 pin connector is for Pentium 4. Is that what you have?
> Is it connected?
>
> Double check your PS cabling and simplify your system until you get
> power up.
> >
> > It appears something in the MB is shutting off the power (or not
> > turning it on).
> >
> > If I'd built it I might suspect a short, but as a barebones it was put
> > together already, so I'm hesitant to pull it apart too much further.
> >
> > Any help would be great!
> >
> > --David Cardinal
> > photo.DeleteThis@cardinalphoto.com<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Completely Dead barebones system? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:42 am
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By 14 Dec 2003 15:06:21 -0800, google DeleteThis @cardinalphoto.com (David
Cardinal)
decided to post
"Re: Completely Dead barebones system?" to
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.fic:
>Thanks for all the detailed advice. We more or less stumbled along
>those lines and eventually came up with the odd fact that as long as
>we left one of the two CPU cooler clips "loose" everything works. The
>instant we latch it, it fails.
>
>I'm assuming that means either a bad CPU (intermittent short) or a bad
>MB (intermittent short / cold solder joing). Does that sound like a
>good diagnosis?
>
>--David
Does sound like a good diagnosis. Have you checked for bent pins on
the cpu?
Good luck,
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:59 am
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David Cardinal wrote:
> Thanks for all the detailed advice. We more or less stumbled along
> those lines and eventually came up with the odd fact that as long as
> we left one of the two CPU cooler clips "loose" everything works. The
> instant we latch it, it fails.
>
> I'm assuming that means either a bad CPU (intermittent short) or a
> bad MB (intermittent short / cold solder joing). Does that sound like
> a good diagnosis?
>
> --David
In addition to the suggestion of looking for bent pins, it is possible
that you might have a dirty contact in your CPU socket. There is
nothing you can do about this, short of returning the MB. Make sure
however that the "Clips" are not touching the traces on the MB when they
are connected. Look carefully at the underside of the heat sink to make
sure there is no possibility of the heat sink shorting out the caps on
the top of the CPU chip. Many CPUs have caps on their top sides.
It could also be a bad solder connection on the MB as you suggested.
Look for things you can effect, and if it excludes all but the MB,
return the MB.
>
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>> David Cardinal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi--I've built PCs from scratch before, but decided to try doing
>>> a barebones FIC ICE-CUBE with my daughter so it would be "easier"
>>> and have the cool see-through sides.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I can't get it to power on at all.
>>>
>>> I have tried both with and without RAM, CPU, and drives
>>> connected.
>>
>> First, place the RAM and the CPU in the mother board. The computer
>> will NOT boot without them.
>>
>>> The MB has few jumpers and I'd hope they'd be set well enough at
>>> the factory to boot--since it is a barebones machine. From the
>>> very limited MB manual none of the jumpers seem to affect the
>>> booting anyway.
>>
>> Unless the supplier said he tested the "Barebones" system before
>> shipping, DO NOT assume anything!!!!
>>
>>> The ATX power supply has +5 out all the time, like it should. I
>>> can even get it to power the fans if I hook it up directly, but
>>> as soon as I run it through the MB, nothing.
>>
>> Along with checking your settings for the CPU and RAM if they
>> exist, disconnect everything except the PS, and of course the CPU
>> fan and heat sink. Many MBs require a sense lead for the CPU fan
>> before they will turn on the PS. It is also useful to power up a
>> MB outside of the case so that if a short exists in the mounting of
>> the MB, it does not enter into your test. Placing the MB on a
>> sheet of paper with the PS removed from the case is the best way to
>> establish if the hardware is good.
>>
>>> I've verified that the power switch correctly shorts the two
>>> leads coming into it.
>>
>> From your comment that the PS works but not with the MB attached,
>> it sounds like you are either drawing too much current with the MB
>> attached, or the MB senses a defect that prevents it from turning
>> on the PS. A bad CPU, no CPU fan sense, bad RAM (sometimes),
>> inadequate PS, a failing plugin card, reversed IDE cable, short on
>> MB due to bad mounting in case, are just a few. Start with as
>> simple a scenario as you can and add components once you get power
>> up.
>>
>>> I'm totally at a loss to imagine what might be wrong. The MB has
>>> both the large ATX power connector and the smaller 4-pin power
>>> connector, plus the 2 power connectors for the PS fan and the CPU
>>> fan.
>>
>> I believe the 4 pin connector is for Pentium 4. Is that what you
>> have? Is it connected?
>>
>> Double check your PS cabling and simplify your system until you get
>> power up.
>>
>>> It appears something in the MB is shutting off the power (or not
>>> turning it on).
>>>
>>> If I'd built it I might suspect a short, but as a barebones it
>>> was put together already, so I'm hesitant to pull it apart too
>>> much further.
>>>
>>> Any help would be great!
>>>
>>> --David Cardinal photo RemoveThis @cardinalphoto.com<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Completely Dead barebones system? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:39 pm
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Maybe this is why that system was a restock. Any way you could return it
or exchange it as a DOA?
--Alex
David Cardinal wrote:
> Amazingly enough, we've figured out that everything is fine as long as
> we leave the CPU cooler "loose". With either an Intel cooler or the
> supplied ICE cooler, all is fine until we tighten the latches. Then
> the machine will not beep or boot.
>
> Thoughts on whether that means a short in the MB or MB to Case or P4?
> It is a tiny case, so I'm not inclined to rip out the MB unless it is
> a last resort (came as a barebones system, so the MB was installed at
> the factory).
>
> It was a restock (thanks, Fry's, so there was already goop on the
> cooler when we got it. Don't know if it could have gotten into
> something?--David
>
> >
> > --David Cardinal
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:01 am
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Return it to Fry's and get another one. And don't ever ever ever buy
anything that has a returned sticker on it. You have to look very
carefully over the entire box for those pesky stickers!
On 14 Dec 2003 10:21:57 -0800, google RemoveThis @cardinalphoto.com (David
Cardinal) wrote:
>Amazingly enough, we've figured out that everything is fine as long as
>we leave the CPU cooler "loose". With either an Intel cooler or the
>supplied ICE cooler, all is fine until we tighten the latches. Then
>the machine will not beep or boot.
>
>Thoughts on whether that means a short in the MB or MB to Case or P4?
>It is a tiny case, so I'm not inclined to rip out the MB unless it is
>a last resort (came as a barebones system, so the MB was installed at
>the factory).
>
>It was a restock (thanks, Fry's, so there was already goop on the
>cooler when we got it. Don't know if it could have gotten into
>something?--David
>
>>
>> --David Cardinal
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 1:04 pm
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Hi, thats terrible, some one returned a ice cube as restock and it wasn't
even tested at store, terrible.
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> Return it to Fry's and get another one. And don't ever ever ever buy
> anything that has a returned sticker on it. You have to look very
> carefully over the entire box for those pesky stickers!
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2003 10:21:57 -0800, google.TakeThisOut@cardinalphoto.com (David
> Cardinal) wrote:
>
> >Amazingly enough, we've figured out that everything is fine as long as
> >we leave the CPU cooler "loose". With either an Intel cooler or the
> >supplied ICE cooler, all is fine until we tighten the latches. Then
> >the machine will not beep or boot.
> >
> >Thoughts on whether that means a short in the MB or MB to Case or P4?
> >It is a tiny case, so I'm not inclined to rip out the MB unless it is
> >a last resort (came as a barebones system, so the MB was installed at
> >the factory).
> >
> >It was a restock (thanks, Fry's, so there was already goop on the
> >cooler when we got it. Don't know if it could have gotten into
> >something?--David
> >
> >>
> >> --David Cardinal
> >> photo.TakeThisOut@cardinalphoto.com
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