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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:53 pm
Post subject: Confused about RAM types and Athlon64?
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Hey there guys 
First post here! I haven't bought a desktop puter since my Thunderbird
800 MHz in 2000 - now I'm gonna build a wicked kickass Athlon64 
Only thing is, being out of the game for so long, I'm deeply confused
with the memory situation. I've got my heart set on the Abit KV8-MAX3
motherboard, and I want to stick two 1-gig DIMMs in it.
I know the modules have to be 184-pin and that speeds up to DDR400 are
supported. So I've found these very nice (for the price) modules that
are PC2700 333 MHz DDR CL2 184-pin DIMM SDRAM. The info (which is in
Danish, and this is a direct translation) furthermore states that it's
"dual memory". From the picture I can see one side of the module, and it
has 8 chips on it (I'm guessing the other side would reveal another 8
identical chips).
Okay, so I've downloaded the KV8-MAX3 manual and it has this list of
what seems to be the possible ways to combine sizes and types of memory
modules to satisfy it. Problem is, it talks like this, "x8 single rank
or x16" and "x8 double rank", to describe the module types.
I have no idea what these descriptions mean in reference to the modules
I've been looking at, as described above... And as far as I can tell by
the chart, then if the modules I've been looking at turn out to be what
the manual refers to as "x8 double rank", then they have to be DDR400 to
work in the motherboard...
Can anybody clarify this?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:50 am
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> I know the modules have to be 184-pin and that speeds up to DDR400 are
> supported. So I've found these very nice (for the price) modules that
> are PC2700 333 MHz DDR CL2 184-pin DIMM SDRAM.
Sdram is the older standard (Pc133 being last SDRAM). PC2100+ are ddr ram.
The info (which is in
> Danish, and this is a direct translation) furthermore states that it's
> "dual memory". From the picture I can see one side of the module, and it
> has 8 chips on it (I'm guessing the other side would reveal another 8
> identical chips).
Yepp, since they're DIMM (dual inline mem module).
> Okay, so I've downloaded the KV8-MAX3 manual and it has this list of
> what seems to be the possible ways to combine sizes and types of memory
> modules to satisfy it. Problem is, it talks like this, "x8 single rank
> or x16" and "x8 double rank", to describe the module types.
> I have no idea what these descriptions mean in reference to the modules
> I've been looking at, as described above... And as far as I can tell by
> the chart, then if the modules I've been looking at turn out to be what
> the manual refers to as "x8 double rank", then they have to be DDR400 to
> work in the motherboard...
>
> Can anybody clarify this?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:57 am
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:53:30 +0100, Daniel wrote:
> Can anybody clarify this?
>
Yes. if you want a "kick ass machine", forget the PC2700 ram and get
PC4000 DDR500 or faster. Iff you can't afford that, then PC3200 as a
minimum and hope it will actually run 200MHz (DDR400).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:59 am
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:53:30 +0100, Daniel wrote:
> I know the modules have to be 184-pin and that speeds up to DDR400 are
> supported. So I've found these very nice (for the price) modules that
> are PC2700 333 MHz DDR CL2 184-pin DIMM SDRAM.
Forgot this. PC2700 ram is rated at 166MHz DDR333, not 333Mhz.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:36 pm
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Wes Newell wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:53:30 +0100, Daniel wrote:
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>>Can anybody clarify this?
>>
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> Yes. if you want a "kick ass machine", forget the PC2700 ram and get
> PC4000 DDR500 or faster. Iff you can't afford that, then PC3200 as a
> minimum and hope it will actually run 200MHz (DDR400).
>
Well, I don't need 500 MHz since max on the board is 400. And in my
world, 2 gigs of 333 MHz RAM will still be kickass  Don't want
Godzilla here, just an elephant
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:40 pm
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:36:05 +0100, Daniel wrote:
> Wes Newell wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:53:30 +0100, Daniel wrote:
>>
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>>>Can anybody clarify this?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. if you want a "kick ass machine", forget the PC2700 ram and get
>> PC4000 DDR500 or faster. Iff you can't afford that, then PC3200 as a
>> minimum and hope it will actually run 200MHz (DDR400).
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>
> Well, I don't need 500 MHz since max on the board is 400. And in my
> world, 2 gigs of 333 MHz RAM will still be kickass Don't want
> Godzilla here, just an elephant
>
So you're going to spend a bundle of money on the CPU and MB, then slow it
down with 1gig of PC2700 ram when 1gig of PC4000 ram is only about $26
more. Hmmm... OK. Good luck. Hope it boots.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:38 pm
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Daniel wrote:
> Hey there guys
>
> First post here! I haven't bought a desktop puter since my Thunderbird
> 800 MHz in 2000 - now I'm gonna build a wicked kickass Athlon64
>
> Only thing is, being out of the game for so long, I'm deeply confused
> with the memory situation. I've got my heart set on the Abit KV8-MAX3
> motherboard, and I want to stick two 1-gig DIMMs in it.
1GB modules are overpriced and usually overkill. I have 1Gig and have never
needed more than that.
> I know the modules have to be 184-pin and that speeds up to DDR400 are
> supported. So I've found these very nice (for the price) modules that
> are PC2700 333 MHz DDR CL2 184-pin DIMM SDRAM. The info (which is in
> Danish, and this is a direct translation) furthermore states that it's
> "dual memory". From the picture I can see one side of the module, and it
> has 8 chips on it (I'm guessing the other side would reveal another 8
> identical chips).
Is there a manufacturer or timings for that? I would get at least PC3200 so
you can run 200MHz, something like Corsair would be ideal.
"Dual memory" hmm, not sure what that means...
Ben
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:37 am
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"Ben Pope" <spam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Daniel wrote:
> > Hey there guys
> >
> > First post here! I haven't bought a desktop puter since my Thunderbird
> > 800 MHz in 2000 - now I'm gonna build a wicked kickass Athlon64
> >
> > Only thing is, being out of the game for so long, I'm deeply confused
> > with the memory situation. I've got my heart set on the Abit KV8-MAX3
> > motherboard, and I want to stick two 1-gig DIMMs in it.
>
> 1GB modules are overpriced and usually overkill. I have 1Gig and have
never
> needed more than that.
>
> > I know the modules have to be 184-pin and that speeds up to DDR400 are
> > supported. So I've found these very nice (for the price) modules that
> > are PC2700 333 MHz DDR CL2 184-pin DIMM SDRAM. The info (which is in
> > Danish, and this is a direct translation) furthermore states that it's
> > "dual memory". From the picture I can see one side of the module, and it
> > has 8 chips on it (I'm guessing the other side would reveal another 8
> > identical chips).
>
> Is there a manufacturer or timings for that? I would get at least PC3200
so
> you can run 200MHz, something like Corsair would be ideal.
>
> "Dual memory" hmm, not sure what that means...
>
Maybe an obtuse reference to "dual channel"????
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:37 am
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callsignviper wrote:
> Maybe an obtuse reference to "dual channel"????
Could be but memory isn't dual channel, chipsets are.
Ben
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:07 pm
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"Ben Pope" <spam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> callsignviper wrote:
> > Maybe an obtuse reference to "dual channel"????
>
> Could be but memory isn't dual channel, chipsets are.
>
I know.....but the original information came from a translated Danish
website. Something may have been lost in the translation.  (
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:16 am
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"Daniel" <sorry.no.em DeleteThis @il.i.get.vira.and.spam> wrote in message
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> Wes Newell wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:53:30 +0100, Daniel wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Can anybody clarify this?
> >>
> >
> > Yes. if you want a "kick ass machine", forget the PC2700 ram and get
> > PC4000 DDR500 or faster. Iff you can't afford that, then PC3200 as a
> > minimum and hope it will actually run 200MHz (DDR400).
> >
>
> Well, I don't need 500 MHz since max on the board is 400. And in my
> world, 2 gigs of 333 MHz RAM will still be kickass Don't want
> Godzilla here, just an elephant
I'd put money on 2 x 256MB LL at 220MHz pissing all over 2GB of 166MHz
memory.
Daniel, please listen to the advice you're being given here and don't waste
your
money buying sloooww memory, buy the fastest (low latency) memory you can
afford and settle for 1GB its more than enough (at the moment).
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:47 am
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Ben Pope wrote:
>1GB modules are overpriced and usually overkill. I have 1Gig and have never
>needed more than that.
>
1 GB modules now cost the same per MB as 512MB modules upto PC3200, so
unless you don't need the extra memory, 1 GB modules are the way to go.
The only catch is you have to buy your own DIMMs, most PC manufacturers
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:14 pm
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"Ben Pope" <spam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Daniel wrote:
>> Hey there guys
>>
>> First post here! I haven't bought a desktop puter since my
>> Thunderbird 800 MHz in 2000 - now I'm gonna build a wicked kickass
>> Athlon64
>>
>> Only thing is, being out of the game for so long, I'm deeply confused
>> with the memory situation. I've got my heart set on the Abit KV8-MAX3
>> motherboard, and I want to stick two 1-gig DIMMs in it.
>
> 1GB modules are overpriced and usually overkill. I have 1Gig and have
> never needed more than that.
Anyone who tells someone they don't need more than 1GB of ram without first
asking what you use your computer for is a fool! I run programs that will
use as much memory as I can throw at them, and 1GB is definitely not
enough.
>> I know the modules have to be 184-pin and that speeds up to DDR400
>> are supported. So I've found these very nice (for the price) modules
>> that are PC2700 333 MHz DDR CL2 184-pin DIMM SDRAM. The info (which
>> is in Danish, and this is a direct translation) furthermore states
>> that it's "dual memory". From the picture I can see one side of the
>> module, and it has 8 chips on it (I'm guessing the other side would
>> reveal another 8 identical chips).
>
> Is there a manufacturer or timings for that? I would get at least
> PC3200 so you can run 200MHz, something like Corsair would be ideal.
>
> "Dual memory" hmm, not sure what that means...
Probably means dual sided memory.
Anyway, I would buy the motherboard and CPU first, and then bring the
computer to your local computer shop and have them install the correct
memory. I'm still having trouble finning memory that will work with my ASUS
board. Their tech support is non existant, and half the links on thier site
seem to be broken. For all the good stuff I hear about this company, they
sure seem to suck!
> Ben
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:19 am
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:14:53 +0000, Mr. E. Mann wrote:
> "Ben Pope" <spam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:c136s1$1c979i$1@ID-191149.news.uni-berlin.de:
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>> 1GB modules are overpriced and usually overkill. I have 1Gig and have
>> never needed more than that.
>
> Anyone who tells someone they don't need more than 1GB of ram without first
> asking what you use your computer for is a fool! I run programs that will
> use as much memory as I can throw at them, and 1GB is definitely not
> enough.
>
Hmm... might be a fool .1% of the time, but most users will never need
anywhere close to 1 gig of ram, let alone 2gig. At least not anytime soon.
I've only got 512M and I don't even use half of it most of the time. I've
got almost 60 task running right now, and well;
top - 14:57:55 up 23:46, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 Tasks:
59 total, 2 running, 57 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s):
0.3% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 99.7% idle Mem: 515100k total,
475172k used, 39928k free, 31828k buffers Swap: 401584k total,
0k used, 401584k free, 253844k cached
[wes@wes2 wes]$ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 515100 475052 40048 0 31828 253844
-/+ buffers/cache: 189380 325720
Swap: 401584 0 401584
As you can see, I've got 325M free and 0 swap space used. Just started 3
games, Mozilla, and some other apps, and I still haven't hit the swap
space yet.
[wes@wes2 wes]$ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 515100 509388 5712 0 31864 255284
-/+ buffers/cache: 222240 292860
Swap: 401584 0 401584
Of course Windows might be a lot different, but I doubt it. IIRC, I rarely
hit the swap when I only had 256M.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:00 pm
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Mr. E. Mann wrote:
> "Ben Pope" <spam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:c136s1$1c979i$1@ID-191149.news.uni-berlin.de:
>> 1GB modules are overpriced and usually overkill. I have 1Gig and have
>> never needed more than that.
>
> Anyone who tells someone they don't need more than 1GB of ram without
> first asking what you use your computer for is a fool!
Agreed.
Ben
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