What Core 2 To Buy Now?

~misfit~ schrieb:
> Bob Johnson wrote:
>> Thanks, Phil
>>
>> I guess for me, it will get down to faster CPU vs cache vs $$$. The
>> 2160 should do 3.0 ghz but I'm not sure if the 6320 will. From what I
>> read, CPU speed will make up for Lack of L2 cache in most cases. Is
>> that true?
>
> Bob, if you re-read Phil's excellent explanation of how L2 works, (making
> allowance for his typos, he types L1 instead of L2 at times) you will
> realise that it isn't true at all.

That's because he actually *meant* to say L1 cache. L1 cache is one step
'nearer' to the CPU-core than the L2 cache, and thus faster.
But he explained that, too.
Since the "L" stands for "Level", there obviously is a level 1 if
there's a level 2.

Daniel
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Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> ~misfit~ schrieb:
>> Bob Johnson wrote:
>>> Thanks, Phil
>>>
>>> I guess for me, it will get down to faster CPU vs cache vs $$$. The
>>> 2160 should do 3.0 ghz but I'm not sure if the 6320 will. From what
>>> I read, CPU speed will make up for Lack of L2 cache in most cases. Is
>>> that true?
>>
>> Bob, if you re-read Phil's excellent explanation of how L2 works,
>> (making allowance for his typos, he types L1 instead of L2 at times)
>> you will realise that it isn't true at all.
>
> That's because he actually *meant* to say L1 cache. L1 cache is one
> step 'nearer' to the CPU-core than the L2 cache, and thus faster.
> But he explained that, too.
> Since the "L" stands for "Level", there obviously is a level 1 if
> there's a level 2.

Actually, I made a typo too. I *meant* to say "he types L2 instead of L1 at
times".

As in this instance, cut'n pasted from Phil's post (11/11/07) to which I was
refering:

"When the data required is not in the L2 cache, then the CPU will obtain
from the L2 cache which is much larger. The L2 cache operates at the CPU
clock speed, but there is a latency that makes it slower to supply data than
the L2 cache."

Them's the typos I was talking about, that might have made an otherwise
excellent, concise explaination of how caches work confusing for the layman.

LOL, I certainly know that the L stands for level and how caches work on
CPUs. In fact I know how caches work that aren't on CPUs too, I still have a
few COASt ("Cache On A Stick") modules lying around here somewhere. Not to
mention the half-speed L2 on Klamath, Deschutes and Katmai Processors, or
the full speed, on-CPU, off-die L2 of the Pentium Pro range. (I have all
those CPUs in my collection and many, many more.)

Cheers,
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~misfit~ schrieb:
> Daniel Albuschat wrote:
>> That's because he actually *meant* to say L1 cache.
>
> Actually, I made a typo too. I *meant* to say "he types L2 instead of L1 at
> times".
>
> As in this instance, cut'n pasted from Phil's post (11/11/07) to which I was
> refering:

[snip with misplaced L1/L2s]

Ah, I didn't notice them, because my brain corrected that on-the-fly, it
seems.

Daniel
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Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> ~misfit~ schrieb:
>> Daniel Albuschat wrote:
>>> That's because he actually *meant* to say L1 cache.
>>
>> Actually, I made a typo too. I *meant* to say "he types L2 instead
>> of L1 at times".
>>
>> As in this instance, cut'n pasted from Phil's post (11/11/07) to
>> which I was refering:
>
> [snip with misplaced L1/L2s]
>
> Ah, I didn't notice them, because my brain corrected that on-the-fly,
> it seems.

Yeah, mine too. However, I *did* notice them and thought it prudent to
mention it in case anyone with a lesser understanding of these things was
trying to understand the post.
--
TTFN,

Shaun.
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"~misfit~" <misfitnz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
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> Dr.White wrote:
>> "~misfit~" <misfitnz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:473b8b76@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Yet I still didn't get a 2160 or it's ilk.
>>> --
>>
>>
>> Too right, damn those disgusting excuses for processors and their
>> ilks, damn them to hell and beyond. I bought one but only because I
>> am scum. SCUM. I've not been able to look myself in the mirror since
>> I bought a 2160 <spit>. Plus, I feel dirty and shameful every time I
>> switch on this despicable, evil eyesore of a 'computer'. Hold on,
>> just where the hell do I get off even buying a CPU (of sorts) in the
>> first place? Knowing me and my maligned mind, I'd probably only ever
>> use it for the purposes of evil, and stuff. If it wasn't so damn slow.
>>
>> What to do now though? It's not like I can take it out and pull it's
>> legs off, what with them not having legs, but 'lands', 775 of them.
>> Lands eh? Lands STOLEN off indigenous people, in all likelyhood.
>> Imperialists! Yeah. RACISTS! SLAVE TRADERS! RACISTS!!!!
>>
>> Nah, only joking. They're quite capable little chips. If you're poor.
>> And stupid. Like me. A f***ing SCRUBBING BRUSH like *ME* etc., etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dr.White.
>
> LMAO!!! Ummm, is it too late to say "no offence"?

You just said it.

>
>> P.S. Good job I didn't buy a Celeron....
>
> Hehee! Nice.
>
> I bought that Celeron the same way you bought your 2160, as part of a
> package Deal that was all I could afford at the time. (It's ticking along
> nicely still on a 266FSB at 2.13GHz. Still, nowhere near as good as an
> OC'ed 2160). However, I got a particularly good offer for my grandmother,
> one I just couldn't refuse, so I bought a *real* CPU. Etc.

Your grandmother must be a very forgiving lady. When my grandma found out
I'd bought a 2160 she wrote me out of her will, etc.

> Good to see you're well Doc,
>
> Regards,
> --
> Shaun.

Likewise my good man. The little box of horrors is running quite nicely
since I put the matched memory modules in it and went dual-channel
yesterday. I matched one module found in a flood-damaged hunk of rust to
another gig of some generic stuff I found at play.com for £12.99. Including
delivery. I can't quite believe it but it works and the improved bandwidth
is quite surprising. God only knows what the old included power supply in
this box is like. Reading an article on PSU load / stability / noise and all
that at Anandtech has left me astonished that this hunk o' silicon even
boots up in the first place. Coupled with no airflow. Nevertheless it ran
Orthos all last night again. Must Get a decent PSU and some fans.

This electrolytic thing bothers me most though. If they have all got a
finite lifespan, it's game over for me at some point. I can replace the PC
but I can't afford to send some of my more vintage electronics for service,
not at £500 a time. It's all 1980-86 stuff and thus full of electrolytics -
all Japanese made and assembled. Guess I'd better brush up on elecronics and
at least get a multimeter. I have the service manual / circuit diagrams for
some of them so that's a start. I know it's bang out of topic but these
things have been running for up to 27 years. Can I have any hope they'll
last another 27? They are irreplaceable.

Anyway mate, hope you're well as can be. Good on ya with the Asus and E4500.
Still going strong at 3.3GHz I hope. Quality work, that.

Regards,

Dr.White.
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Dr.White wrote:
> "~misfit~" <misfitnz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
> news:473d3e7f@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>> Dr.White wrote:
>>> "~misfit~" <misfitnz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:473b8b76@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Yet I still didn't get a 2160 or it's ilk.
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Too right, damn those disgusting excuses for processors and their
>>> ilks, damn them to hell and beyond. I bought one but only because I
>>> am scum. SCUM. I've not been able to look myself in the mirror since
>>> I bought a 2160 <spit>. Plus, I feel dirty and shameful every time I
>>> switch on this despicable, evil eyesore of a 'computer'. Hold on,
>>> just where the hell do I get off even buying a CPU (of sorts) in the
>>> first place? Knowing me and my maligned mind, I'd probably only ever
>>> use it for the purposes of evil, and stuff. If it wasn't so damn
>>> slow. What to do now though? It's not like I can take it out and pull
>>> it's
>>> legs off, what with them not having legs, but 'lands', 775 of them.
>>> Lands eh? Lands STOLEN off indigenous people, in all likelyhood.
>>> Imperialists! Yeah. RACISTS! SLAVE TRADERS! RACISTS!!!!
>>>
>>> Nah, only joking. They're quite capable little chips. If you're
>>> poor. And stupid. Like me. A f***ing SCRUBBING BRUSH like *ME*
>>> etc., etc. Regards,
>>>
>>> Dr.White.
>>
>> LMAO!!! Ummm, is it too late to say "no offence"?
>
> You just said it.

Indeed, I did didn't I?

>>> P.S. Good job I didn't buy a Celeron....
>>
>> Hehee! Nice.
>>
>> I bought that Celeron the same way you bought your 2160, as part of a
>> package Deal that was all I could afford at the time. (It's ticking
>> along nicely still on a 266FSB at 2.13GHz. Still, nowhere near as
>> good as an OC'ed 2160). However, I got a particularly good offer for
>> my grandmother, one I just couldn't refuse, so I bought a *real*
>> CPU. Etc.
>
> Your grandmother must be a very forgiving lady. When my grandma found
> out I'd bought a 2160 she wrote me out of her will, etc.

Hardly surprising really. <g>

>> Good to see you're well Doc,
>
> Likewise my good man. The little box of horrors

LOL.

> is running quite
> nicely since I put the matched memory modules in it and went
> dual-channel yesterday. I matched one module found in a flood-damaged
> hunk of rust to another gig of some generic stuff I found at play.com
> for £12.99. Including delivery. I can't quite believe it but it works
> and the improved bandwidth is quite surprising.

Excellent! It's always gratifying when the cheaper gambles pay off. I've
been lucky before with getting systems to run in dual-channel too. Wicked
price for 1GB RAM, I paid NZ$110 ($40 quid) delivered for my 2 x 1GB
(Dual-Channel kit) which I thought was amazing. Especially as it's currently
running error-free at DDR901 (at 1.8V) according to the BIOS and CPU-Z.

> God only knows what
> the old included power supply in this box is like. Reading an article
> on PSU load / stability / noise and all that at Anandtech has left me
> astonished that this hunk o' silicon even boots up in the first
> place. Coupled with no airflow. Nevertheless it ran Orthos all last
> night again. Must Get a decent PSU and some fans.

Hmmm. I spent every last cent (literally) last week and bought at AcBel 510W
PSU. Not a well-know brand AcBel, at least amongst consumers. However, I've
had two before and they've been excellent. Just their cheaper range,
although I'd like to have one of their more expensive ones one day with the
big fans and the prettys lights.

A bit about AcBel:
http://www.acbel.com/html/about/history.htm

Their range:
http://www.acbel.com/html/products_/pc_1.htm

My PSU:
http://www.acbel.com/PDF/P_PC/SingleE2-510.jpg

Basic but functional and I know these PSU to be bullet-proof. It has two of
those four connector 12V CPU power connectors and so does my mobo so that's
all good.

> This electrolytic thing bothers me most though. If they have all got a
> finite lifespan, it's game over for me at some point. I can replace
> the PC but I can't afford to send some of my more vintage electronics
> for service, not at £500 a time. It's all 1980-86 stuff and thus full
> of electrolytics - all Japanese made and assembled. Guess I'd better
> brush up on elecronics and at least get a multimeter. I have the
> service manual / circuit diagrams for some of them so that's a start.
> I know it's bang out of topic but these things have been running for
> up to 27 years. Can I have any hope they'll last another 27? They are
> irreplaceable.

The equipment might be irreplaceable but the electrolytics aren't. You just
need basic soldering skills and a steady hand. I've replaced them on mobos
before, on several occasions, and they're multi-layer PCBs. It's far simpler
on older stuff that has single-layer PCBs.

Two things though; Most electrolytics made before 1997 or so are good for
years, especially the Japanese ones. (Don't know about other countries.)
Excellent brands are Rubycon, Nichicon, Sanyo and a couple others. These
older caps can go on "for ever", as long as they're not getting too hot.
Heat is the biggest enemy of electrolytic capacitors. A lot are rated to
105°C but will last much, much longer if they never get hotter than 25°C.
Life-span is a linear function of operating temperature.

You really don't need to brush up on electronics, (they pretty much all have
their values on the outside of the can, you just have to match up the
replacement. You can use caps of a higher voltage rating than the original
no problem) and if you're going to get a multimeter to help with this job it
has to be relatively high-end to measure capacitance and then you usually
have to take the cap out of the circuit to test it. (I have a cheap one,
doesn't measure capacitance, don't use it for this purpose.) You might as
well just replace it if the 'thing' is giving trouble. Sometimes you'll see
swelling or leaking, sure signs that they need replacing. However, other
times, especially in older gear, there will be no visible signs. The
electrolyte will have just dried up internally.

The main thing is, if you're going to replace caps, use a good brand like
Rubycon or Nichicon so that you won't have to replace them again in the near
future, if at all. Another, expensive option would be replacing them as
necessary with conductive polymer caps like the new mobos have. However, two
thing about that; They're freaking expensive and a lot of them are
surface-mount rather than through-hole, although I dare say an inventive
person could come up with some sort of adapter system to use.

Who knows? They might already exist, or, if not, could be a good little
earner for someone with access to capital looking for an opportunity. In
these 'green' and nostalgic times there could be a strong global market for
such kits. (Or ready-assembled units) Adapters and conductive polymer caps
to replace old electrolytics. A supplier would get excellent bulk pricing
for the caps too. Sometimes I wish I had capital. It would sicken you to
know how many times in my 46 year life I've had ideas, only to see them
marketed within the next decade or so and do really well.

(I left school and went straight into work at an automotive reconditioners
who did a bit of performance work on the side. I remember speculating with
workmates over a few beers on a Friday night how great it would be to either
have other two camshafts, one for low revs, one for high, or to somehow vary
the valve timing so that an engine that makes a boat-load of power at, say
4K+ revs doesn't run like a three-legged dog at 1.5K. 10 years or so later
Honda comes out with their VTEC, variable valve timing. Exactly what I was
talking about. <sigh>)

> Anyway mate, hope you're well as can be. Good on ya with the Asus and
> E4500. Still going strong at 3.3GHz I hope. Quality work, that.

Thanks mate. Yeah, still going good although I had a bit of a scare
yesterday. I have a bad habit of working on machines while they're running.
I plugged a case fan into a header near the CPU and just (literally) brushed
against the Thermaltake Mini Typhoon. One of the push-pins popped out and
before I could reach the power switch the machine started to re-boot. I
didn't like the feel of the things when I fitted it, wasn't comfortable,
especially as it's in a tower case. (I wouldn't have used it at all like
that if it wasn't for Intel's thermal protection) I've not found one locally
but I'm going to persevere and try to get a 'bolt-through' kit to attach it.
I know it means taking the mobo out but that's only a 15 minute job. A small
price to pay for peace of mind. Best get looking!

Best regards,
--
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> Dr.White wrote:
>> "~misfit~" <misfitnz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:473d3e7f@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>> Dr.White wrote:
>>>> "~misfit~" <misfitnz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:473b8b76@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Yet I still didn't get a 2160 or it's ilk.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Too right, damn those disgusting excuses for processors and their
>>>> ilks, damn them to hell and beyond. I bought one but only because I
>>>> am scum. SCUM. I've not been able to look myself in the mirror since
>>>> I bought a 2160 <spit>. Plus, I feel dirty and shameful every time I
>>>> switch on this despicable, evil eyesore of a 'computer'. Hold on,
>>>> just where the hell do I get off even buying a CPU (of sorts) in the
>>>> first place? Knowing me and my maligned mind, I'd probably only ever
>>>> use it for the purposes of evil, and stuff. If it wasn't so damn
>>>> slow. What to do now though? It's not like I can take it out and pull
>>>> it's
>>>> legs off, what with them not having legs, but 'lands', 775 of them.
>>>> Lands eh? Lands STOLEN off indigenous people, in all likelyhood.
>>>> Imperialists! Yeah. RACISTS! SLAVE TRADERS! RACISTS!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Nah, only joking. They're quite capable little chips. If you're
>>>> poor. And stupid. Like me. A f***ing SCRUBBING BRUSH like *ME*
>>>> etc., etc. Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dr.White.
>>>
>>> LMAO!!! Ummm, is it too late to say "no offence"?
>>
>> You just said it.
>
> Indeed, I did didn't I?
>
>>>> P.S. Good job I didn't buy a Celeron....
>>>
>>> Hehee! Nice.
>>>
>>> I bought that Celeron the same way you bought your 2160, as part of a
>>> package Deal that was all I could afford at the time. (It's ticking
>>> along nicely still on a 266FSB at 2.13GHz. Still, nowhere near as
>>> good as an OC'ed 2160). However, I got a particularly good offer for
>>> my grandmother, one I just couldn't refuse, so I bought a *real*
>>> CPU. Etc.
>>
>> Your grandmother must be a very forgiving lady. When my grandma found
>> out I'd bought a 2160 she wrote me out of her will, etc.
>
> Hardly surprising really. <g>
>
>>> Good to see you're well Doc,
>>
>> Likewise my good man. The little box of horrors
>
> LOL.
>
>> is running quite
>> nicely since I put the matched memory modules in it and went
>> dual-channel yesterday. I matched one module found in a flood-damaged
>> hunk of rust to another gig of some generic stuff I found at play.com
>> for £12.99. Including delivery. I can't quite believe it but it works
>> and the improved bandwidth is quite surprising.
>
> Excellent! It's always gratifying when the cheaper gambles pay off. I've
> been lucky before with getting systems to run in dual-channel too. Wicked
> price for 1GB RAM, I paid NZ$110 ($40 quid) delivered for my 2 x 1GB
> (Dual-Channel kit) which I thought was amazing. Especially as it's
> currently running error-free at DDR901 (at 1.8V) according to the BIOS and
> CPU-Z.
>
>> God only knows what
>> the old included power supply in this box is like. Reading an article
>> on PSU load / stability / noise and all that at Anandtech has left me
>> astonished that this hunk o' silicon even boots up in the first
>> place. Coupled with no airflow. Nevertheless it ran Orthos all last
>> night again. Must Get a decent PSU and some fans.
>
> Hmmm. I spent every last cent (literally) last week and bought at AcBel
> 510W PSU. Not a well-know brand AcBel, at least amongst consumers.
> However, I've had two before and they've been excellent. Just their
> cheaper range, although I'd like to have one of their more expensive ones
> one day with the big fans and the prettys lights.
>
> A bit about AcBel:
> http://www.acbel.com/html/about/history.htm
>
> Their range:
> http://www.acbel.com/html/products_/pc_1.htm
>
> My PSU:
> http://www.acbel.com/PDF/P_PC/SingleE2-510.jpg
>
> Basic but functional and I know these PSU to be bullet-proof. It has two
> of those four connector 12V CPU power connectors and so does my mobo so
> that's all good.
>
>> This electrolytic thing bothers me most though. If they have all got a
>> finite lifespan, it's game over for me at some point. I can replace
>> the PC but I can't afford to send some of my more vintage electronics
>> for service, not at £500 a time. It's all 1980-86 stuff and thus full
>> of electrolytics - all Japanese made and assembled. Guess I'd better
>> brush up on elecronics and at least get a multimeter. I have the
>> service manual / circuit diagrams for some of them so that's a start.
>> I know it's bang out of topic but these things have been running for
>> up to 27 years. Can I have any hope they'll last another 27? They are
>> irreplaceable.
>
> The equipment might be irreplaceable but the electrolytics aren't. You
> just need basic soldering skills and a steady hand. I've replaced them on
> mobos before, on several occasions, and they're multi-layer PCBs. It's far
> simpler on older stuff that has single-layer PCBs.
>
> Two things though; Most electrolytics made before 1997 or so are good for
> years, especially the Japanese ones. (Don't know about other countries.)
> Excellent brands are Rubycon, Nichicon, Sanyo and a couple others. These
> older caps can go on "for ever", as long as they're not getting too hot.
> Heat is the biggest enemy of electrolytic capacitors. A lot are rated to
> 105°C but will last much, much longer if they never get hotter than 25°C.
> Life-span is a linear function of operating temperature.
>
> You really don't need to brush up on electronics, (they pretty much all
> have their values on the outside of the can, you just have to match up the
> replacement. You can use caps of a higher voltage rating than the original
> no problem) and if you're going to get a multimeter to help with this job
> it has to be relatively high-end to measure capacitance and then you
> usually have to take the cap out of the circuit to test it. (I have a
> cheap one, doesn't measure capacitance, don't use it for this purpose.)
> You might as well just replace it if the 'thing' is giving trouble.
> Sometimes you'll see swelling or leaking, sure signs that they need
> replacing. However, other times, especially in older gear, there will be
> no visible signs. The electrolyte will have just dried up internally.
>
> The main thing is, if you're going to replace caps, use a good brand like
> Rubycon or Nichicon so that you won't have to replace them again in the
> near future, if at all. Another, expensive option would be replacing them
> as necessary with conductive polymer caps like the new mobos have.
> However, two thing about that; They're freaking expensive and a lot of
> them are surface-mount rather than through-hole, although I dare say an
> inventive person could come up with some sort of adapter system to use.
>
> Who knows? They might already exist, or, if not, could be a good little
> earner for someone with access to capital looking for an opportunity. In
> these 'green' and nostalgic times there could be a strong global market
> for such kits. (Or ready-assembled units) Adapters and conductive polymer
> caps to replace old electrolytics. A supplier would get excellent bulk
> pricing for the caps too. Sometimes I wish I had capital. It would sicken
> you to know how many times in my 46 year life I've had ideas, only to see
> them marketed within the next decade or so and do really well.
>
> (I left school and went straight into work at an automotive reconditioners
> who did a bit of performance work on the side. I remember speculating with
> workmates over a few beers on a Friday night how great it would be to
> either have other two camshafts, one for low revs, one for high, or to
> somehow vary the valve timing so that an engine that makes a boat-load of
> power at, say 4K+ revs doesn't run like a three-legged dog at 1.5K. 10
> years or so later Honda comes out with their VTEC, variable valve timing.
> Exactly what I was talking about. <sigh>)
>
>> Anyway mate, hope you're well as can be. Good on ya with the Asus and
>> E4500. Still going strong at 3.3GHz I hope. Quality work, that.
>
> Thanks mate. Yeah, still going good although I had a bit of a scare
> yesterday. I have a bad habit of working on machines while they're
> running. I plugged a case fan into a header near the CPU and just
> (literally) brushed against the Thermaltake Mini Typhoon. One of the
> push-pins popped out and before I could reach the power switch the machine
> started to re-boot. I didn't like the feel of the things when I fitted it,
> wasn't comfortable, especially as it's in a tower case. (I wouldn't have
> used it at all like that if it wasn't for Intel's thermal protection) I've
> not found one locally but I'm going to persevere and try to get a
> 'bolt-through' kit to attach it. I know it means taking the mobo out but
> that's only a 15 minute job. A small price to pay for peace of mind. Best
> get looking!
>
> Best regards,
> --
> Shaun.
>

Nice one mate. I sent a reply to your e-mail addy. Well, I took an educated
guess at the addy, so let me know if you don't get it.

Cheers,

Dr.White.
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Somewhere on teh interweb Dr.White typed:

<snip>

> Nice one mate. I sent a reply to your e-mail addy. Well, I took an
> educated guess at the addy, so let me know if you don't get it.

Umm, in my haste to get back on usenet I missed a bit from my return addy.
It's misfit61nz@yah....

Your best bet to get me is misfitnz at gmail dddot com.

Regards etc.
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> Somewhere on teh interweb Dr.White typed:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Nice one mate. I sent a reply to your e-mail addy. Well, I took an
>> educated guess at the addy, so let me know if you don't get it.
>
> Umm, in my haste to get back on usenet I missed a bit from my return addy.
> It's misfit61nz@yah....
>
> Your best bet to get me is misfitnz at gmail dddot com.
>
> Regards etc.
> --
> Shaun.

Ok geezer, mail duly sent to the latter address. Many regards.

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Somewhere on teh interweb Dr.White typed:
> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
> news:47411dca$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>> Somewhere on teh interweb Dr.White typed:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Nice one mate. I sent a reply to your e-mail addy. Well, I took an
>>> educated guess at the addy, so let me know if you don't get it.
>>
>> Umm, in my haste to get back on usenet I missed a bit from my return
>> addy. It's misfit61nz@yah....
>>
>> Your best bet to get me is misfitnz at gmail dddot com.
>>
>> Regards etc.
>> --
>> Shaun.
>
> Ok geezer, mail duly sent to the latter address. Many regards.

Received and replied to my good man.

Cheers,
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Fishface wrote:
> I just ordered an E2160 to play around with.

Yep, it does 3 GHz stable in the Gigabyte P35-DS3L v.1.0 board, but not too
much more. It didn't like 3.2 Ghz, and I didn't play with it too much. SuperPi
Mod 1M was 20.735 seconds at 334 x 9 = 3006 MHz. Not too bad for $77.

> When I'm done, I'll give my mom an upgrade with the board that came with
> my Q6600, another ECS with a SIS chipset with a single channel memory
> controller. Now that would have been a waste for the quad core.

This board is somehow running the 1.8 GHz chip at 2.665 Ghz. With the
integrated graphics, SuperPi 1M takes around 34 seconds. That's not so
good! The board was basically free with the Quad Core from Fry's, so with
the 2GB of SuperTalent DDR2-667, I have a total of about $125 invested.
It should play FreeCell and Skip98 very well.
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Somewhere on teh interweb Fishface typed:
> Fishface wrote:
>> I just ordered an E2160 to play around with.
>
> Yep, it does 3 GHz stable in the Gigabyte P35-DS3L v.1.0 board, but
> not too much more. It didn't like 3.2 Ghz, and I didn't play with it
> too much. SuperPi Mod 1M was 20.735 seconds at 334 x 9 = 3006 MHz. Not
> too bad for $77.

Not bad at all. You prompted me to download SuperPi Mod and try this E4500 @
3.3GHz. It came out at 17.750 seconds for the 1M. That's with 50 (other)
processes running. What I found interesting is that it doesn't use 100% of
CPU. It looks to be about 60% and the temp hardly rises above idle temps.
Certainly not as high as when it's running SETI@home, which is ~8°C cooler
than Orthos.

Cheers,
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~misfit~ wrote:
> Not bad at all. You prompted me to download SuperPi Mod and try this E4500 @ 3.3GHz. It came out at 17.750 seconds for
> the 1M. That's with 50 (other) processes running. What I found interesting is that it doesn't use 100% of CPU. It
> looks to be about 60% and the temp hardly rises above idle temps. Certainly not as high as when it's running
> SETI@home, which is ~8°C cooler than Orthos.

That's one of the applications which scored better with the 4MB cache processors
than with the 2MB processors, so I thought it might be more sensitive to having
only 1MB shared. It would be interesting to see how yours performs at 334 x 9
for a non-scientific comparison of the greater vs. lesser cache models.

I didn't increase the voltage as much as I thought since the Gigabyte board
undervolts by .06v and there is a fairly large vDroop with this board. I think that
the newer proceesors don't like the higher FSB speeds for some reason. My
E6400 is stable to 1760 FSB with the SuperTalent DDR-667 (Micron D9, no
heat spreaders, 2.1v). Since the G0 Q6600 doesn't run free either, I'm thinking
maybe Intel did something to choke them.
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