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Pierre S. Rosen

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:03 am
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Hi-

Just bought a custom computer from ibuypower.com with an asus 64 compatable
motherboard with Dual LAN...and I was wondering how I can network two PCs
using this feature, if one PC does not have an ethernet card. Can I merely
run an ethernet wire from the new PC to the old PC and attach some sort of
ethernet to usb converter on it, to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1
ports? Or perhaps a printer or montior port? Or something else perhaps?


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:03 am
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In article <CtL9c.4085$yN6.1185@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Pierre
S. Rosen" <pierre.rosen.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

 > Hi-
 >
 > Just bought a custom computer from ibuypower.com with an asus 64 compatable
 > motherboard with Dual LAN...and I was wondering how I can network two PCs
 > using this feature, if one PC does not have an ethernet card. Can I merely
 > run an ethernet wire from the new PC to the old PC and attach some sort of
 > ethernet to usb converter on it, to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1
 > ports? Or perhaps a printer or montior port? Or something else perhaps?
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There are several products at the bottom of this page that will
convert from Ethernet to USB (1.1 or 2.0). The price is kinda high
compared to plugging a cheap Ethernet card into your old PC. I
could understand if your old PC is out of PCI slots, but otherwise
a cheap Ethernet card should not be any trouble to get working.
The bargain bin at your computer store will have Realtek 8139
based PCI Ethernet cards available for $10 to $15 bucks.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.linksys.com/products/group.asp?grid=34&scid=30" target="_blank">http://www.linksys.com/products/group.asp?grid=34&scid=30</a>

The only thing you'll have to remember to check, is whether
a crossover, or a straight_thru Ethernet cable is required.
When connecting two ordinary 10/100BT Ethernet interfaces,
the TX on one machine must be connected to the RX on the
other machine, and vice versa. This requires a crossover cable.
(I keep one of those cables in my parts bin for emergencies,
and one end of the cable has a red connector, while the other
has a blue connector. The fact the colors don't match is a
clever way for the cable manufactuter to tell me that the
cable is a crossover type.)

If one of the computers has a 10/100/1000 (i.e. Gigabit Ethernet
chip), some of those have MDI/MDIX (whatever that is), and the
chip can automatically figure out the wiring, so a straight_thru
cable is all that is needed.

The two links at the top of this page show the two types of
cable, with the non-crossover cable not having a distinguishing
name, while the crossover one does:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.startech.com/ststore/catlist.cfm?category=c70&topbar=topbarc.htm" target="_blank">http://www.startech.com/ststore/catlist.cfm?category=c70&topbar=topbarc.htm</a>

So, no matter what Ethernet solution you come up with, if the
LEDs don't light up when the computers are connected, it could
mean you need to pick up one of the "other" kind of patch cables.

In a way, this is very similar to computers and modems, where you
needed a "null-modem" cable to connect the serial ports of two
computers together (i.e. for Laplink file transfer). An "ordinary"
cable would be used to connect computer to modem. At least
in that case, the devices had names like "DCE" and "DTE", so you
could tell whether the two things you wanted to connect were the
same type or not. Ethernet devices are a bit more devious.

As for the wisdom of serially connected computers, if the computer
with the two ethernet interfaces is put to sleep, or is turned off,
the second computer loses its internet connection. If the second
computer is just a server for the first computer, this isn't
important. It is only when a human sits in front of the second
machine, or the second machine is going to be a FTP or web server,
that you might consider a router box as a way to distribute
Ethernet service to all the computers. I have a DSL modem connected
to a Linksys four port router, and then the computers plug into
the Linksys. While this is more expensive than your plan, I can turn
off any computer without worrying about the effect it has on the
others.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:18 pm
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Just buy a card for the old PC. Theyre cheap
and easy to install. Having dual LAN on one PC
wont help if another PC hasn't got any card, or
no way of networking to it.


"Pierre S. Rosen" <pierre.rosen.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > Hi-
 >
 > Just bought a custom computer from ibuypower.com with an asus 64
compatable
 > motherboard with Dual LAN...and I was wondering how I can network two PCs
 > using this feature, if one PC does not have an ethernet card. Can I
merely
 > run an ethernet wire from the new PC to the old PC and attach some sort of
 > ethernet to usb converter on it, to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1
 > ports? Or perhaps a printer or montior port? Or something else perhaps?
 >
 >
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:59 pm
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Pierre,

I wouldn't bother with any other type of network (IE USB, printer cables
etc) as for the price you would pay for *any* parts including cables you
could have a 100Mbit ethernet running between the two machines.

I would get: a 100MBit nic for the second PC, a cross over cable - this
removes the need for a hub or switch until you get a 3rd computer to
network. You will need to install the NIC in the other pc, join with the
cross over cables and assign an IP Address for both that are in the same
subnet. IE on one you might use the address 192.168.2.1 and the other
192.1687.2.2 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. If you have a DSL modem
anywhere then this will complicate things (or make them simpler).

- Tim



"Pierre S. Rosen" <pierre.rosen DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > Hi-
 >
 > Just bought a custom computer from ibuypower.com with an asus 64
compatable
 > motherboard with Dual LAN...and I was wondering how I can network two PCs
 > using this feature, if one PC does not have an ethernet card. Can I
merely
 > run an ethernet wire from the new PC to the old PC and attach some sort of
 > ethernet to usb converter on it, to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1
 > ports? Or perhaps a printer or montior port? Or something else perhaps?
 >
 >
 > ---
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:32 am
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Paul wrote:
 > (I keep one of those cables in my parts bin for emergencies,
 > and one end of the cable has a red connector, while the other
 > has a blue connector. The fact the colors don't match is a
 > clever way for the cable manufactuter to tell me that the
 > cable is a crossover type.)

Personally I just compare the wiring of the two ends... if it's straight
through, it's a straight through cable, if blue and orange are reversed,
it's a crossover cable. If any other colours are reversed, it's probably a
crossover cable with non-standard colours Smile

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:36 am
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Pierre S. Rosen wrote:
 > Hi-
 >
 > Just bought a custom computer from ibuypower.com with an asus 64
 > compatable motherboard with Dual LAN...and I was wondering how I can
 > network two PCs using this feature, if one PC does not have an ethernet
 > card.

You can't.

 > Can I merely run an ethernet wire from the new PC to the old PC
 > and attach some sort of ethernet to usb converter on it,

Maybe, but one must ask the question why you do not put an ethernet card in
the old PC.

 > to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1 ports?

That would effectively be a USB ethernet card (they probably exist, but not
seen any)

 > Or perhaps a printer or montior port?

Parrallel port connection is possible with a laplink cable, but painfully
slow.

Monitor port? Now you're getting desperate Razz

 > Or something else perhaps?

Yeah - a cheap 10/100 ethernet card for the old machine (and a crossover
cable)

Ben
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:05 pm
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  > > to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1 ports?
 >
 > That would effectively be a USB ethernet card (they probably exist, but
not
 > seen any)

the NTL Network use these things like crazy, My neighbor got a free one with
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:25 pm
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"Pierre S. Rosen" <pierre.rosen DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CtL9c.4085$yN6.1185@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
 > Hi-
 >
 > Just bought a custom computer from ibuypower.com with an asus 64
compatable
 > motherboard with Dual LAN...and I was wondering how I can network two PCs
 > using this feature, if one PC does not have an ethernet card. Can I
merely
 > run an ethernet wire from the new PC to the old PC and attach some sort of
 > ethernet to usb converter on it, to hook up to my old computers USB 1.1
 > ports? Or perhaps a printer or montior port? Or something else perhaps?
You have a number of choices, depending both on what you want to do now, and
in the future. If you only want to link the machines for occasional use, and
they are close, just ignore the ethernet port, and buy a 'USB network'
cable. These allow two computers to use their USB ports for network traffic.
The second solution, is to buy a USB-ethernet adapter, and a cross-over
ethernet cable. The third solution is to buy an ethernet card (and again a
crossover cable). The latter is probably the cheapest and fastest solution
(a typical 'budget' PCI network card, is wll under £10 these days...). The
other solutions will all be limited to the data rate of USB1, which is only
about 1/10th the speed of a normal ethernet port. If you may want to attach
other units latter, then consider a hub, rather than the crossover cable.
Neither the printer, or monitor port are suitable for anythin to do with
networking.

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