Dvorak minus the effort

External Since: Nov 10, 2004 Posts: 12

(I had the cursor on the post button and a touchy touchpad.)
To continue: Balance in the amount of text under each hand. Last
but not least it puts about 70% of text on the home row, almost 60%
under the eight fingers. It is solely this last element that the etni
keyboard patch is meant to address.
You have made the time investment in what is generally percieved to
be the optimal keyboard layout (Hanno's excepted). Good for you. But
what about your lessors, like me, who worry they will never become so
accomplished and simply want a more efficient keyboard with the least
change.
Mac and windows come not only with the Dvorak but German qwertz,
French (azerty?) and other languages. Why not add etni to the mix.
Maybe noone will use it, but it would be another feature for future
bragging rights. It's certainly much easier than customising with
msklc and net.framework. I have heard the words 'why hasn't anyone
else thought of this?'. I wonder if someone has but it just never made
it to the net. If the option were available I would have adopted it a
long time ago.
BTW, how is it you needed to use a German and a Japanese keyboard?
Do you speak these languages?
I understand that the Japanese have phonetic symbols. It's the
Chinese whose character entry is a nightmare.
Your posts to urban transit have been impressive. Hope to meet
you there again under more on topic circumstances.

With highest regard, Wkfh hkghdsf rdgare,
Stephen Kearney Sfdphdj Idarjdy

External Since: Aug 28, 2004 Posts: 11

sfdphdj <skearney RemoveThis @accessbee.com> wrote:
> (I had the cursor on the post button and a touchy touchpad.)

one of the reasons I like a solid clicky keyboard, personal preference

> You have made the time investment in what is generally percieved to
> be the optimal keyboard layout (Hanno's excepted). Good for you. But
> what about your lessors, like me, who worry they will never become so

not "lessors" so much as having more seniority, remember I've been using
Dvorak for over 15 years. it comes you didn't learn qwerty in a week
either, (if you ever learned it at all, most folks don't)

> accomplished and simply want a more efficient keyboard with the least
> change.

my opinion, and only an opinion, if your gonna change your brain pattern
might as well go the whole way. like I said it is puzzling that most
people even in this computer age never learn to actually type

> Mac and windows come not only with the Dvorak but German qwertz,
> French (azerty?) and other languages. Why not add etni to the mix.

I use Linux and in Linux it is easy since it is Open Source Software, you
write the software code for the keyboard and put it in the package. that's
the way Open Source works. (well little more to it than that but that's
the basics) it's from what I hear pretty major fight just to keep Dvorak
in the keyboard mix...they might add another, they might not, but it
involves more politics than programming. another reason I like open
Source

> Maybe noone will use it, but it would be another feature for future
> bragging rights.

bragging rights are worthless, learning to keyboard fast and accurate is
important, the keyboard used is only the tool
to get it tested might be a lot easier in Linux, after all you are
targeting the folks who (in theory) are more willing to examine the
alternatives and chose the best not the most popular.

> It's certainly much easier than customising with
> msklc and net.framework. I have heard the words 'why hasn't anyone
> else thought of this?'. I wonder if someone has but it just never made
> it to the net. If the option were available I would have adopted it a
> long time ago.

?? wouldn't know, rarely hear any of the above even about Dvorak. but I
don't say much about it either, just use it

> BTW, how is it you needed to use a German and a Japanese keyboard?
> Do you speak these languages?

Jah! Hai!

> I understand that the Japanese have phonetic symbols. It's the
> Chinese whose character entry is a nightmare.

don't know a whole lot about Chineses but Japanese basically has 4
alphabets (romaji, hiragana, katakana, kanji) on most Japanese keyboards
the phonic alphabet (hiragana) which has 96 or so characters and can be
represented on the regular keyboard is used but as you type the
kana(letters) a window opens with the alternative(s) and you chose the one
you want. sounds complicated but some people can get pretty fast at it
but it does seem clunky, at least the kana are arranged more or less like
Dvorak based on most commonly used, alternative hands etc.

> Your posts to urban transit have been impressive. Hope to meet
> you there again under more on topic circumstances.

your welcome, but that list has a huge problem with staying on topic thus
my jumping on you. stop by and talk urban transport.

Bob

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