E4300 and 650i overclocking

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> "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed RemoveThis @example.com> wrote in message
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>> How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset motherboard
>> strike you?
>>
>> Phil Weldon
>>
>>
> I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling soulutions
> that I have read about but never actually have seen in action. Most of the
> folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of SLI, nVidia's version of
> the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on the gaming sites than the
> more basic productivity sites.........But that ain't all bad if you know
> what I mean....... Today's games require massive horsepower, both from the
> CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no experience with nVidia chipsets on the
> Intel platform, but did have one on an AMD a few years ago and had no
> issues whatsoever. I wouldn't hesitate going that route myself if I wanted
> support for SLI, but would probably go the tried and true I965/975 route
> since I have no plans on spending $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video
> cards........
>
>
> Ed
>
Actually, you can spend $220 on a pair of cards to run in SLI and get the
frame rates of a single $400 - $500 card.

Amir

PS: ATI's Crossfire is a version of nVidia's SLI.
LOL
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>> "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote in message
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>>> How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset
>>> motherboard
>>> strike you?
>>>
>>> Phil Weldon
>>>
>>>
>> I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling soulutions
>> that I have read about but never actually have seen in action. Most of
>> the folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of SLI, nVidia's
>> version of the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on the gaming
>> sites than the more basic productivity sites.........But that ain't all
>> bad if you know what I mean....... Today's games require massive
>> horsepower, both from the CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no experience
>> with nVidia chipsets on the Intel platform, but did have one on an AMD a
>> few years ago and had no issues whatsoever. I wouldn't hesitate going
>> that route myself if I wanted support for SLI, but would probably go the
>> tried and true I965/975 route since I have no plans on spending
>> $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video cards........
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
> Actually, you can spend $220 on a pair of cards to run in SLI and get the
> frame rates of a single $400 - $500 card.
>
> Amir
>
> PS: ATI's Crossfire is a version of nVidia's SLI.
> LOL
>
yea.... Actually their origins are from 3DFX's SLI. Chicken/Egg
thing..........

Ed
>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

'Ed Medlin' wrote:
> I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling soulutions
> that I have read about but never actually have seen in action. Most of the
> folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of SLI, nVidia's version of
> the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on the gaming sites than the
> more basic productivity sites.........But that ain't all bad if you know
> what I mean....... Today's games require massive horsepower, both from the
> CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no experience with nVidia chipsets on the
> Intel platform, but did have one on an AMD a few years ago and had no
> issues whatsoever. I wouldn't hesitate going that route myself if I wanted
> support for SLI, but would probably go the tried and true I965/975 route
> since I have no plans on spending $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video
> cards........
_____

I have little interest in SLI graphics operation. I've always stuck with
Intel chipset; once you begin to learn one manufacturer's products, you have
a big investment in time to casually change. Intel chipset performance has
always raised the barrier too high for me to seriously consider changing ...
until now. I'd like to try nVidia chipsets. From what I've read, the
parameters that can be changed for overclocking are extensive - more than
the number available for Intel solutions. Also the idea of SLI memory
(whatever that actually is) is intriguing.

So at the moment I am leaning toward
Intel E4300 Core 2 Duo 800 MHz FSB 1.8 GHz $168.99 US
ASUS P5N-E SLI nForce 650i Socket 775 $135.00
US

OCZ OCZ2N1066R2GK 2 GB kit SLI DDR2 PC2-8500 $239.00 US
EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR e-GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB $289.99 US.

An alternative would be to replace the first two items with
Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo 1066 MHz FSB 2.4 GHz $311.80 US
Abit IN9 32X-MAX Wi-Fi 680i Socket 775 $329.99
US.

It seems to me that the E4300 with an 800 MHz FSB could be easier to
overclock into the high 3 GHz range than the E6600, enough higher to make up
for the smaller L2 cache. Additionally, with less than $170 US invested in
the CPU, changing out to a new Intel offering later would be less traumatic.

I have two water cooling systems (one with a 12" X 12" radiator) and several
Peltier plates that I intend to use.

I'd welcome any suggestions,

Phil Weldon



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>> How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset motherboard
>> strike you?
>>
>> Phil Weldon
>>
>>
> I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling soulutions
> that I have read about but never actually have seen in action. Most of the
> folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of SLI, nVidia's version of
> the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on the gaming sites than the
> more basic productivity sites.........But that ain't all bad if you know
> what I mean....... Today's games require massive horsepower, both from the
> CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no experience with nVidia chipsets on the
> Intel platform, but did have one on an AMD a few years ago and had no
> issues whatsoever. I wouldn't hesitate going that route myself if I wanted
> support for SLI, but would probably go the tried and true I965/975 route
> since I have no plans on spending $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video
> cards........
>
>
> Ed
>
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

> I have little interest in SLI graphics operation. I've always stuck with
> Intel chipset; once you begin to learn one manufacturer's products, you
> have a big investment in time to casually change. Intel chipset
> performance has always raised the barrier too high for me to seriously
> consider changing ... until now. I'd like to try nVidia chipsets. From
> what I've read, the parameters that can be changed for overclocking are
> extensive - more than the number available for Intel solutions. Also the
> idea of SLI memory (whatever that actually is) is intriguing.
>
> So at the moment I am leaning toward
> Intel E4300 Core 2 Duo 800 MHz FSB 1.8 GHz $168.99 US
> ASUS P5N-E SLI nForce 650i Socket 775 $135.00
> US
>
> OCZ OCZ2N1066R2GK 2 GB kit SLI DDR2 PC2-8500 $239.00 US
> EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR e-GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB $289.99 US.
>
> An alternative would be to replace the first two items with
> Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo 1066 MHz FSB 2.4 GHz $311.80 US
> Abit IN9 32X-MAX Wi-Fi 680i Socket 775 $329.99
> US.
>
> It seems to me that the E4300 with an 800 MHz FSB could be easier to
> overclock into the high 3 GHz range than the E6600, enough higher to make
> up for the smaller L2 cache. Additionally, with less than $170 US
> invested in the CPU, changing out to a new Intel offering later would be
> less traumatic.
>
> I have two water cooling systems (one with a 12" X 12" radiator) and
> several Peltier plates that I intend to use.
>
> I'd welcome any suggestions,
>
> Phil Weldon
>

The obvious route, IMO, would be the E4300, but the B2 (4meg cache
rather than 2) stepping kind of raises my attention as to whether that would
be the best route. It kind of reminds me of the P3/Celeron days when the
larger cache outperformed the smaller cache at the same speeds in most
instances. With your cooling, I just might lean more towards the E6600 just
for the raw HP you may be able to get. The E4300 is obviously the best bang
for the buck. I am not so sure you could get much more than mid-3ghz before
the E4300 starts giving up the ghost even with great cooling unless you get
lucky with a really good overclocker. As always, this can vary from chip to
chip. I just wonder about the Peltiers being more trouble than they help
overall. I have used them (guess all the old farts have.., but I would
like to see what the results are with them vs. just water cooling. I still
have a few left over from the P2/P3 days but didn't really think about using
them anymore.

I tend to lean towards Asus just because I have have had so few problems
with their MBs. It has been a long time, probably since the Coppernines,
that I have built a system with an Abit. I don't have any idea how many Asus
based systems I have built over the years and have just not had any major
issues with them. I am not dissing other manufacturers, I just go with what
has worked for me.

That is about all I can comment about............I probably raised more
questions than answers.... Good luck Phil.......Let me know which way you
go. I have the upgrade fever myself and am still trying to decide which way
to go myself.


Ed
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Really?

What pair would that be?


bob


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>> "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote in message
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>>> How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset
>>> motherboard
>>> strike you?
>>>
>>> Phil Weldon
>>>
>>>
>> I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling soulutions
>> that I have read about but never actually have seen in action. Most of
>> the folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of SLI, nVidia's
>> version of the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on the gaming
>> sites than the more basic productivity sites.........But that ain't all
>> bad if you know what I mean....... Today's games require massive
>> horsepower, both from the CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no experience
>> with nVidia chipsets on the Intel platform, but did have one on an AMD a
>> few years ago and had no issues whatsoever. I wouldn't hesitate going
>> that route myself if I wanted support for SLI, but would probably go the
>> tried and true I965/975 route since I have no plans on spending
>> $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video cards........
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
> Actually, you can spend $220 on a pair of cards to run in SLI and get the
> frame rates of a single $400 - $500 card.
>
> Amir
>
> PS: ATI's Crossfire is a version of nVidia's SLI.
> LOL
>
>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

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> Really?
>
> What pair would that be?
>
>
> bob
>

I would like to know what those cards are too......, especially if they
are going to give the performance of top-of-the-line PCI-E cards.

Ed
>
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http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130062
Bench mark close to but not quite as fast as GTS8800.
I know, I know, benchmarks aren't real world, but how are you going to
compare without spending a lot of money?
Amir


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> Really?
>
> What pair would that be?
>
>
> bob
>
>
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>>> "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed DeleteThis @example.com> wrote in message
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>>>> How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset
>>>> motherboard
>>>> strike you?
>>>>
>>>> Phil Weldon
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling
>>> soulutions that I have read about but never actually have seen in
>>> action. Most of the folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of
>>> SLI, nVidia's version of the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on
>>> the gaming sites than the more basic productivity sites.........But that
>>> ain't all bad if you know what I mean....... Today's games require
>>> massive horsepower, both from the CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no
>>> experience with nVidia chipsets on the Intel platform, but did have one
>>> on an AMD a few years ago and had no issues whatsoever. I wouldn't
>>> hesitate going that route myself if I wanted support for SLI, but would
>>> probably go the tried and true I965/975 route since I have no plans on
>>> spending $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video cards........
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>> Actually, you can spend $220 on a pair of cards to run in SLI and get the
>> frame rates of a single $400 - $500 card.
>>
>> Amir
>>
>> PS: ATI's Crossfire is a version of nVidia's SLI.
>> LOL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

Thanks for the input all.

I laid my money down, and did pretty well price-wise ($1000 US for the five
core components).
Now on to assembly and OS (XP) installation. Then comes
* will a 500 Watt ATX12V 2.03 power supply do the trick
* what cooling method (starting with Intel stock and lots of case
ventilation in a server case.

Final decision
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB $168 US
Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR nForce 680i $199 US
Display Adapter: EVGA 32-P2-N811-AR E-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MByte DDR3 $289
US
Memory: Patriot eXtreme 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) $200 US
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500 GByte Serial ATA 7200RPM w/16
MByte buffer $144 US
(ZipFlyZoom except for newEgg for the memory

Any predictions on overclocking limit?

Phil Weldon

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| How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset motherboard
| strike you?
|
| Phil Weldon
|
|
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

Phil Weldon wrote:
> Final decision
> CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB $168 US
> Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR nForce 680i $199 US
> Display Adapter: EVGA 32-P2-N811-AR E-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MByte
> DDR3 $289 US
> Memory: Patriot eXtreme 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) $200 US
> Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500 GByte Serial ATA 7200RPM
> w/16 MByte buffer $144 US
> (ZipFlyZoom except for newEgg for the memory
>
> Any predictions on overclocking limit?

Phil,

I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out.

First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I was
thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since overclocking
the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, which
translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in future
upgradability?

My prediction? Well, on air, I think about 3.4 GHz? Mainly depends on
whether you're lucky with yr sample, I guess.

Let us know how you fare!

--
Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

'Thomas' wrote, in part:
> I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out.
>
> First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I
> was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since
> overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz,
> which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in
> future upgradability?
_____

I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo.
What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest
possible limitations on overclocking.
That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard.
I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it
starts off with a lower FSB.

After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be
cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ...
I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier
arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply.
I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a
parts box going back to the Celeron 300a.
With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big
gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^)
The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10
(hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at
least wit a more mature Vista.

So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in what
the system can DO.

If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high speed
memory, inexpensive CPU.
Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) and
2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com).
The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see no
reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache.

Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still be
useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change.

I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to
take the long view.

Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an
update on what you build and your results.

Phil Weldon


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> Phil Weldon wrote:
>> Final decision
>> CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB $168 US
>> Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR nForce 680i $199 US
>> Display Adapter: EVGA 32-P2-N811-AR E-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MByte
>> DDR3 $289 US
>> Memory: Patriot eXtreme 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) $200 US
>> Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500 GByte Serial ATA 7200RPM
>> w/16 MByte buffer $144 US
>> (ZipFlyZoom except for newEgg for the memory
>>
>> Any predictions on overclocking limit?
>
> Phil,
>
> I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out.
>
> First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I
> was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since
> overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz,
> which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in
> future upgradability?
>
> My prediction? Well, on air, I think about 3.4 GHz? Mainly depends on
> whether you're lucky with yr sample, I guess.
>
> Let us know how you fare!
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

Phil Weldon wrote: (also in part)
> I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo.
> What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest
> possible limitations on overclocking.
> That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard.
> I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and
> it starts off with a lower FSB.
>
> After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be
> cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and
> ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier
> arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply.
> I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port
> and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a.
> With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a
> big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no
> pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye
> on
> DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without
> Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista.
>
> So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than
> in what the system can DO.
>
> If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same
> high speed memory, inexpensive CPU.
> Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066
> (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US
> (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600
> is $150 US ( I
> see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache.
>
> Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will
> still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change.
>
> I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I
> tend to take the long view.
>
> Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please
> post an update on what you build and your results.

I understand more about what you're trying to do... With exploring the
limits, you dont want to be limited by something like yr memory.

I've been overclocking, too, this started on my P75 I went with a
watercooling setup with my P4C 2.6, but this time I'll see how the current
air cooling solutions pay out first. I'll be keeping that setup running, my
girlfriend was surprised how fast photoshop runs on it Good excuse for
me to pass that system to her and make a completely new build.

I'm now mainly interested in building a 'budget' rig, and trying to get the
most out of all my components. In the past, i tried to make my pc's future
proof, but that never really paid out I kept upgrading half my PC
because the upgradability was less good than advertised.

I'm mainly doubting about my mainboard. I'm planning on getting an Ati
x1950XT vid card, and it'd be good to have at least the possibility of
adding an extra card with crossfire. Currently, I'm leaning towards the Asus
P5W DH Deluxe.

Anyway, when (if...) I finish the build, I'll report back!

--
Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

'Thomas' wrote, in part:
| I understand more about what you're trying to do... With exploring the
| limits, you dont want to be limited by something like yr memory.
|
| I've been overclocking, too, this started on my P75 I went with a
| watercooling setup with my P4C 2.6, but this time I'll see how the current
| air cooling solutions pay out first. I'll be keeping that setup running,
my
| girlfriend was surprised how fast photoshop runs on it Good excuse for
| me to pass that system to her and make a completely new build.
_____

Yeah, I'm passing my overclocked Pentium 2.6 GHz overclocked to 3.2 GHz to
my brother. Also he has built himself a machine shop, so we may make some
water blocks.

Phil Weldon

"Thomas" <ThomasH DeleteThis @lycosmail.nl> wrote in message
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| Phil Weldon wrote: (also in part)
| > I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo.
| > What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest
| > possible limitations on overclocking.
| > That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard.
| > I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and
| > it starts off with a lower FSB.
| >
| > After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be
| > cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and
| > ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few
Peltier
| > arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply.
| > I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port
| > and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a.
| > With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a
| > big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no
| > pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye
| > on
| > DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without
| > Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista.
| >
| > So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than
| > in what the system can DO.
| >
| > If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same
| > high speed memory, inexpensive CPU.
| > Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066
| > (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US
| > (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600
| > is $150 US ( I
| > see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache.
| >
| > Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will
| > still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change.
| >
| > I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I
| > tend to take the long view.
| >
| > Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please
| > post an update on what you build and your results.
|
| I understand more about what you're trying to do... With exploring the
| limits, you dont want to be limited by something like yr memory.
|
| I've been overclocking, too, this started on my P75 I went with a
| watercooling setup with my P4C 2.6, but this time I'll see how the current
| air cooling solutions pay out first. I'll be keeping that setup running,
my
| girlfriend was surprised how fast photoshop runs on it Good excuse for
| me to pass that system to her and make a completely new build.
|
| I'm now mainly interested in building a 'budget' rig, and trying to get
the
| most out of all my components. In the past, i tried to make my pc's future
| proof, but that never really paid out I kept upgrading half my PC
| because the upgradability was less good than advertised.
|
| I'm mainly doubting about my mainboard. I'm planning on getting an Ati
| x1950XT vid card, and it'd be good to have at least the possibility of
| adding an extra card with crossfire. Currently, I'm leaning towards the
Asus
| P5W DH Deluxe.
|
| Anyway, when (if...) I finish the build, I'll report back!
|
| --
| Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst.
|
|
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking 

"Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed DeleteThis @example.com> wrote in message
news:ee7Ph.16542$PL.8037@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> 'Thomas' wrote, in part:
>> I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out.
>>
>> First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I
>> was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since
>> overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz,
>> which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in
>> future upgradability?
> _____
>
> I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo.
> What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest
> possible limitations on overclocking.
> That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard.
> I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it
> starts off with a lower FSB.
>
> After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be
> cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ...
> I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier
> arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply.
> I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a
> parts box going back to the Celeron 300a.
> With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big
> gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^)
> The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10
> (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at
> least wit a more mature Vista.
>
> So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in
> what the system can DO.
>
> If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high
> speed memory, inexpensive CPU.
> Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500)
> and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com).
> The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see
> no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache.
>
> Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still
> be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change.
>
> I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to
> take the long view.
>
> Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an
> update on what you build and your results.
>
> Phil Weldon
>
>

Seems you are set. Yea, I think a good, brand name 500w should do you
well. I just read this morning that Intel is releasing a 45nm 8 core chip in
(at least they say) early 2008. Each of the 8 cores will be hyperthreaded. I
just read the damn article and forget the code name of the thing.
With your cooling and tenacity, I would guess you will probably get the
4300 processor to a 100% OC.......... Somewhere between 3.4 and 3.6 would
be very good. Keep us informed on your progress, I am really interested.
Whichever I decide on, I will probably go with just water cooling sans the
Peltier. Good luck pal.

Ed
 >> Stay informed about: E4300 and 650i overclocking