Future Intel Xeons to be designed in India

Yousuf Khan wrote:

 > They are talking about a chip coming out in 2007-2008. It will be designed
 > in Bangalore India. It's current Pentium-M mobile chip was designed in
 > Isreal. Start of a new trend for Intel?

Well, having design facilities in Israel is nothing new. IBM,
Microsoft, and Intel have all had facilities there for quite some time.
Remember back when IBM released that version of OS/2 that could run
your existing installed copy of Windows instead of using Win-OS/2? That
was developed in Haifa, IIRC.

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"Yousuf Khan" <news.tally.bbbl67.DeleteThis@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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 > They are talking about a chip coming out in 2007-2008. It will be designed
 > in Bangalore India. It's current Pentium-M mobile chip was designed in
 > Isreal. Start of a new trend for Intel?
 >
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 > Yousuf Khan
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Yes since it allows much higher margins in future products when R&D costs
can be dropped. A U.S EE for intel probably makes 80K and you can hire an
Indian EE for about 5K so for the price of 1 US EE you get 16 Indians living
in a tin shack and you can have them work Shifts so productivity never stops
24/7.

I would say 40-50 years from now all farming,manufacturing,development and
buisness processing (Accounting etc...) will be sent overseas, since its
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Hugo Drax wrote:

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 > I would say 40-50 years from now all farming,manufacturing,development and
 > buisness processing (Accounting etc...) will be sent overseas, since its
 > cheaper and provides the companies much higher margins on the end product.
 >

In this world of high-speed internet connections, business
operations along with applied science research and development
have already moved overseas. While price is one factor, one
cannot forget that education overseas still emphasizes the
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"Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith.TakeThisOut@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
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 > Yousuf Khan wrote:
 >
  > > They are talking about a chip coming out in 2007-2008. It will be
designed
  > > in Bangalore India. It's current Pentium-M mobile chip was designed in
  > > Isreal. Start of a new trend for Intel?
 >
 > Well, having design facilities in Israel is nothing new. IBM,
 > Microsoft, and Intel have all had facilities there for quite some time.
 > Remember back when IBM released that version of OS/2 that could run
 > your existing installed copy of Windows instead of using Win-OS/2? That
 > was developed in Haifa, IIRC.
 >
 > --
 > Mike Smith
 >

True but I think eventually all development/design will go overseas. it
makes no sense to pay 16 times more for US labor when overseas is 1/16th
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"Hugo Drax" <hugodrax.DeleteThis@nsa.gov> wrote in message
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 > Yes since it allows much higher margins in future products when R&D costs
 > can be dropped. A U.S EE for intel probably makes 80K and you can hire an
 > Indian EE for about 5K so for the price of 1 US EE you get 16 Indians
living
 > in a tin shack and you can have them work Shifts so productivity never
stops
 > 24/7.

You'd be surprised how luxuriously you can live outside the US for a tenth
of the salary in the US. I think the US cost of living is pretty much out of
sync with the rest of the world.

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"Hugo Drax" <hugodrax.TakeThisOut@nsa.gov> wrote:

 >I would say 40-50 years from now all farming,manufacturing,development and
 >buisness processing (Accounting etc...) will be sent overseas, since its
 >cheaper and provides the companies much higher margins on the end product.

You'd think that the evil businessman would figure-out that the market
for his products will dry up, if people aren't making a decent wage
(in the future US). Alas, the evil businessman is a selfish,
short-sighted person, and figures that if he can make his big
stock-option killing, he and his kids will be alright, and the rest of
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 > "Hugo Drax" <hugodrax DeleteThis @nsa.gov> wrote in message
 > news:c7755c$g0do$1@ID-155262.news.uni-berlin.de...
  > > Yes since it allows much higher margins in future products when R&D
costs
  > > can be dropped. A U.S EE for intel probably makes 80K and you can hire
an
  > > Indian EE for about 5K so for the price of 1 US EE you get 16 Indians
 > living
  > > in a tin shack and you can have them work Shifts so productivity never
 > stops
  > > 24/7.
 >
 > You'd be surprised how luxuriously you can live outside the US for a tenth
 > of the salary in the US. I think the US cost of living is pretty much out
of
 > sync with the rest of the world.

I was about to respond:

Tin shack !! More like a luxurious air conditioned bungalow, company
provided car, with servants doing all the cooking, cleaning, gardening etc
etc.
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 >"Yousuf Khan" <news.tally.bbbl67.TakeThisOut@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> You'd be surprised how luxuriously you can live outside the US for a tenth
  >> of the salary in the US. I think the US cost of living is pretty much out
 >of
  >> sync with the rest of the world.
 >
 >I was about to respond:
 >
 >Tin shack !! More like a luxurious air conditioned bungalow, company
 >provided car, with servants doing all the cooking, cleaning, gardening etc
 >etc.

But no 10MPG SUV, I'd bet.

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  >> Yes since it allows much higher margins in future products when R&D costs
  >> can be dropped. A U.S EE for intel probably makes 80K and you can hire an
  >> Indian EE for about 5K so for the price of 1 US EE you get 16 Indians
 >living
  >> in a tin shack and you can have them work Shifts so productivity never
 >stops
  >> 24/7.
 >
 >You'd be surprised how luxuriously you can live outside the US for a tenth
 >of the salary in the US. I think the US cost of living is pretty much out of
 >sync with the rest of the world.



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  >> Yes since it allows much higher margins in future products when R&D costs
  >> can be dropped. A U.S EE for intel probably makes 80K and you can hire an
  >> Indian EE for about 5K so for the price of 1 US EE you get 16 Indians
 >living
  >> in a tin shack and you can have them work Shifts so productivity never
 >stops
  >> 24/7.
 >
 >You'd be surprised how luxuriously you can live outside the US for a tenth
 >of the salary in the US. I think the US cost of living is pretty much out of
 >sync with the rest of the world.

That's not completely unrelated to labour costs .. when everyone from a
builder to a policeman is earning 1/10th the USA rate, the cost of
living is bound to be rather lower.

However salaries in India have floated up pretty dramatically these last
10-15 years, and will continue to do so (at least for the educated folks
... and educated Indians are very educated indeed .. which other country
teaches '19 times table' in schools? Heck, which other country does most
of its teaching in what is, to 99% of the pupils, a second language?
8>.)

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Hugo Drax wrote:
 >
 > I would say 40-50 years from now all farming,manufacturing,development and
 > buisness processing (Accounting etc...) will be sent overseas, since its
 > cheaper and provides the companies much higher margins on the end product.

I would say 40-50 years from now, salaries in India/China/Russia etc.
will be a lot closer to those of the rest of the world, thus obviating
much of the economic advantage in outsourcing.

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 >"Hugo Drax" <hugodrax.DeleteThis@nsa.gov> wrote:
 >
  >>I would say 40-50 years from now all farming,manufacturing,development and
  >>buisness processing (Accounting etc...) will be sent overseas, since its
  >>cheaper and provides the companies much higher margins on the end product.
 >
 >You'd think that the evil businessman would figure-out that the market
 >for his products will dry up, if people aren't making a decent wage
 >(in the future US).

Hmm, defining 'decent' as 50x the global average, I assume?
And assuming that the only market which counts is the US market?
(ISTR there are more $ millionaires in Asia than in the USA)

Yeah well, Usenet =is= kind of parochial that way..

Hint: the universe doesn't own =anyone= a living (although people born
on top of a pool of oil, or a pile of diamond bearing ore, may have some
reason for short term optimism).

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On Tue, 4 May 2004 11:47:48 +0100, GSV Three Minds in a Can
<GSV RemoveThis @quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:

 >However salaries in India have floated up pretty dramatically these last
 >10-15 years, and will continue to do so (at least for the educated folks
 >.. and educated Indians are very educated indeed .. which other country
 >teaches '19 times table' in schools? Heck, which other country does most
 >of its teaching in what is, to 99% of the pupils, a second language?
 >8>.)

This is only a small portion of Indians, and is where they are going
to lose against China if they don't get their act together.

India overall is not educating the masses, which is what you need for
economic dominance like America or Japan has experienced in the past.
Literacy rates in India are running around 50% (with more illiterate
women than men). China, OTOH, is educating everyone, and is building
considerable momentum. They're like a sleepy giant starting on their
2nd cup of coffee. Watch out when they finish the pot!

Another difference is that India is building soft industries
(software, design, other stuff that can be moved relatively quickly
and cheaply), while China is focusing on hard industry - brick and
mortar manufacturing that pays back into the community for decades and
is not easily transported elsewhere. Manufacturing is the life-blood
of a vital national economy.

The size of the population will work to the advantage of both, though.
Korea was starting to be a threat with low cost manufacturing, but the
population is small enough that raising the standard of living a lot
(hence the cost of production) didn't take so much. Raising the
standard of living of a billion Chinese is a longer-term project...


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