GA-M61P-S3 Video

Why wrote:
> Does the on-board video have drivers for Win 98SE?
> I'm looking at this board but need to duel boot 98 & XP.
> Thanks

If you go to the Nvidia site, and try to download drivers
for some of their older video cards, this is the last
driver listed for Win98 (81.9. The Geforce 6100 / Nforce 430
is not listed.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/81.98_9x_supported.html

If you search specifically for the 6100 on the
Nvidia download page, you'll find it listed under
"Nforce 4 series". But again, there is no Win98 driver
shown, when you search for it that way.

I believe the common theme in the list supported in 81.98,
is the cards are AGP. I don't think PCI Express works
in Win98. If you want Win98, I'd search for an AGP motherboard.

This motherboard won't have the same video performance via
its built-in video, but may work in Win98. It has an AGP slot
if you later need to upgrade. And if you did, perhaps a
6600GT AGP would be a good card for the purpose (as it is
in the 81.98 driver list).

MSI K9MM-V AM2 VIA K8M800 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130064

K8M800 Win98SE video driver:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=6&CatID=1430&SubCatID=109

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Why wrote:

> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814102710
>
> The MSI board does not have the built in firewire port .
>
> Thanks again I want to order the GA-M61P-S3 board if I can get a card
> to run w98.

As far as I know, this is the last Win98 driver for ATI. Catalyst 6.2

Catalyst 6.2 Drivers and ATI Multimedia Software for Windows 98/Windows 98 SE/Windows ME
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/98me/radeonaiw-98me.html

Release notes are here:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/Catalyst_6...E_relea

The Catalyst software suite is designed to support the following ATI product family:
Radeon 9800 series, Radeon 9000 series,
Radeon 9700 series, Radeon 8500 series
Radeon 9600 series, Radeon 7500 series
Radeon 9500 series, Radeon 7200 series
Radeon 9200 series, Radeon 7000 series
Radeon 9100 series, Radeon Xpress 200 series
Note: ATI All-In-Wonder variants based on the above are also supported.

This Catalyst software suite also provides Beta software support for the following ATI products:
Radeon X850 series, Radeon X550 series
Radeon X800 series, Radeon X300 series
Radeon X600 series

What is interesting about that, is I think some of the cards in the second
group, are available as PCI Express. So I guess there are some PCI Express
cards that support Win98. It would be interesting to see if anyone
actually uses one of the cards in the second group, for that purpose
(i.e. I'd want proof that a PCI Express card actually works in Win98/98SE).

But there is no X1300 in the list above.

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Why wrote:
>> Why wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
>>> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
>>> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814102710
>>>
> Paul what CPU would you suggest with that board?
> I'm not into gaming only Cad/Cam for cnc machines.
> That's the problem, I wrote a cnc machine tool program over 10 years
> ago for W95 in gwbasic & it runs in W98 but not XP. So I have to boot
> to 98 when I need it.
>
> Thanks again.

If I were you, I'd continue on working the driver angle.

There are two ways for disk interfaces to be mapped. They can be in the
I/O space and use IRQ14 and IRQ15 (for the first and second IDE cables).
Or, disks can be mapped into the PCI space, and via PIRQA (shared interrupt
signals), they can be at an arbitrary IRQ number. Win98 doesn't understand
PCI mapped drives, and the built-in hard drive support is for I/O mapped
and IRQ14/IRQ15. It is difficult for me to determine, exactly what the
Nvidia 430 does in this respect.

Using a search engine, I haven't been able to dig up any info about
how the disks are mapped. It is possible you won't even get to
"first base" with an attempt to install Win98. So the GA-M61P-S3
remains "risky".

With something like VIA K8M800/VT8237R, you can check viaarena.com .
There is at least a hint a chipset like that might work.

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=6&CatID=1450&SubCatID=143

Maybe, if you are determined to buy the GA-M61P-S3, you could pick up
a MSI K9MM-V AM2 VIA K8M800 as a fallback. Try installing Win98 on
the GA-M61P-S3, and if you cannot get enough of it working, switch
to the K9MM-V. If you are going to do that, pick up a tube of thermal
paste, so you can redo the contact between the CPU heatsink and the
CPU, one the thermal interface on the heatsink gets scratched up.

Arctic Silver Ceramique Thermal Compound $5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100009

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There is a table of CPU's here. The 6000+ comes with a heatsink. The
6400+ (black box edition) has an unlocked multiplier and no heatsink
(so you buy the heatsink for that one separately).

http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ProductID=2434

Basically, anything with more than a 2000MHz core clock should be good.
That would be equivalent to a 3GHz P4, for single threaded programs.

Considering the prices, I'd just get the 6000+. This dissipates 125W
when both cores are flat out. Idle power is lower, especially if using
Cool N' Quiet (not supported in Win98). That drops the FID and VID when
the computer is idle, and the feature works in WinXP.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor 125W - Retail $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=32

These would be intermediate solutions.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor 89W - Retail $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103751
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=48

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor 65W - Retail $108
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=49

This is a low power solution. It is just below my threshold for core
clock, but still usable. This would run cool, no matter what OS is
running. This is a dual core, but power dissipation is less than the
old AthlonXP processors. I selected the BE-2300, because the
Gigabyte web page doesn't list the BE-2400 as supported (probably
yet another BIOS update for that).

AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core EE BE-2300 1.9GHz, AM2 L2 512KB x2 Retail ADH2300DDBOX CPU 45W $83.50
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10006118
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=75

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If you get something working in Win98, post back so others can profit
from the experiment...

Have fun,
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Why wrote:
> Paul, gigabyte finally answered and said will not work with 98.
> Don't know if that's true but I'm converting all the programs to XP.
>
> Got most done on old 754 Epox. Loaded XP on one HD 80 gig & set up
> most of what I need (still have the rest on another Epox).
>
> Board & am2 cpu will be here thursday.
>
> So, how do I get the MB up with XP running & set up?
>
> I have lots of ghost image backups on a usd drive.
>
> Thanks.

To move a boot drive from one computer to another, you can
try a repair install. This page basically warns you not to
enter the Recovery console, but to select the other option,
to do a Repair install.

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

A Repair install takes the OS back to the state it had when
the install CD was first used. That means Service Packs
and Security Updates have to be reloaded. But your applications
and settings should be unaffected.

You can occasionally run into problems, which is why, when
I do that at home, I make a clone of my boot drive for
emergencies. If I do something wrong during the repair
install, I can back out. Sometimes, the backing out can be
a PITA, but at least you haven't lost anything/

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