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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:21 pm
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'bornfree' wrote:
| See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
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Your reported core voltage (1.408 volts) is unnecessarily high. Dangerously
high, in fact. So high that your overclocking would very likely limited by
excessive heat before ANY OTHER REASON. Immediately reduce your CPU core
voltage to the automatic default level set by your specific CPU. Do not,
for any reason, change the automatic default core voltage UNTIL you have
attempted a mild overclock, then increased that mild overclock until you hit
instability.
Before you post again, read my reply to another of your multiple threads
about keeping your post organized into ONE THREAD.
Again, you are on the road to destroying your CPU. Step back, breath
deeply, and THINK before you precede.
Phil Weldon
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| On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" <inva... RemoveThis @ddress.ok?> wrote:
| > bornfree wrote:
| > > CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
| > > though :confused:.
| >
| > If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
| > Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
| > voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
| >
| > Which CPU do you have?
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| E6300. 2 cores.
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| See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:37 pm
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bornfree wrote:
> On 20 Jan, 00:02, "RobV" <r....RemoveThis@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> bornfree wrote:
>>> On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" <inva....RemoveThis@ddress.ok?> wrote:
>>>> bornfree wrote:
>>>>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under
>>>>> "specification" though :confused:.
>>
>>>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under
>>>> load. Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it
>>>> lowers the voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>
>>>> Which CPU do you have?
>>
>>> E6300. 2 cores.
>>
>>> See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
>>> http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.png
>>
>> It's Intel's attempt to confuse you. In CPU-Z (and anywhere
>> else, AFAIK), Intel CPUs are identified by the model number * and *
>> the stock frequency.
>>
>> As shown in CPU-Z, Specification, you have a 6300 @ 1.86GHz.
>>
>> I have a 6600, which shows up in CPU-Z, Specification, as a 6600 @
>> 2.4GHz
>>
>> Lower down at Core Speed, the actual clock speed of the CPU is
>> listed. Mine is 3006 MHz. The spec and CPU information will always
>> show 6600 @
>> 2.4GHz, even if the CPU actual clock speed is higher (or lower).
>>
>> Now, to your system. You have the Core Voltage set to 1.408V (don't
>> know if that's under load, or not).
>>
>> Lower left side, Core Speed is 1800 MHz, or 1.8 GHz, so you're
>> underclocking the CPU. Just below, you'll see why. The multiplier
>> is x6.0 and the FSB is 300 MHz, for an * effective * FSB (x4, or Quad
>> Pumped) of 1200 MHz. CPU speed is x6.0 X 300 MHz FSB, which equals
>> 1800 MHz.
>>
>> Unless you set the multiplier to x6 (the lowest, I believe), it was
>> set by Speed Step, which Fishface mentioned. In BIOS, go to the
>> Advanced tab, open CPU Configuration and disable Modify Ratio
>> Support, then set it to the max value (or vice versa).
>>
>> Disable C1E
>> Disable Intel Speed Step at the very bottom.
>>
>> This should give you a stable multiplier and Vcore so you can
>> actually test the limits of the CPU, without Speed Step changing
>> things on you.
>
> Ok. First of all, I need to say I am a beginner at this so I didn't
> understand everything you said.
>
> Secondly, prime says my CPU is 2100Mhz. Mobmeter also says 2.10Ghz....
>
> I can't have underclocked it, because my CPU temp is way higher than
> previous.
>
> Ok I got it. Here it is under load:
>
> http://i18.tinypic.com/82w528j.png
Right. Look at the Core Speed in the lower left. It's 2100 MHz.
Notice the multiplier right below: x7.0 It was x6 when the Core Speed
was 1800 MHz. Notice the Core Voltage. It's lower, because the system
is now under load.
Before the FSB speed was 300 MHz.
The Multiplier was x6.0. 6 X 300 = 1800 MHz
Now, the FSB is still 300 MHz, but the multiplier is x7.0. 7 X 300 =
2100 MHz
By putting a load on the CPU, Speed Step, a program within the BIOS,
increased the multiplier, so now the CPU is overclocked to 2100 MHz,
since you increased the FSB from it's normal (200, or 266 MHz), to 300
MHz.
You overclock a Intel CPU by increasing the FSB and changing the FSB
multiplier factor.
I suggest you read your motherboard manual BIOS section. It will show
where in your BIOS to go to disable Speed Step and any other items that
may change anything on-the-fly.
BTW, check what the nominal CPU core voltage is; it seems rather high,
which will raise the temps very quickly. My 6600 is 1.35V; I would
think a "slower" CPU would be, at the very least, no higher.
One more thing. Set the Vcore while there is no, or minimal load, since
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:58 pm
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RobV wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
>> On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" <inva....TakeThisOut@ddress.ok?> wrote:
>>> bornfree wrote:
>>>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>>>> though :confused:.
>>>
>>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
>>> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers
>>> the voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>>
>>> Which CPU do you have?
>>
>>
>> E6300. 2 cores.
>>
>> See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
>> http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.png
>
> It's Intel's attempt to confuse you. In CPU-Z (and anywhere else,
> AFAIK), Intel CPUs are identified by the model number * and * the
> stock frequency.
>
> As shown in CPU-Z, Specification, you have a 6300 @ 1.86GHz.
>
> I have a 6600, which shows up in CPU-Z, Specification, as a 6600 @
> 2.4GHz
>
> Lower down at Core Speed, the actual clock speed of the CPU is listed.
> Mine is 3006 MHz. The spec and CPU information will always show 6600
> @ 2.4GHz, even if the CPU actual clock speed is higher (or lower).
>
> Now, to your system. You have the Core Voltage set to 1.408V (don't
> know if that's under load, or not).
>
> Lower left side, Core Speed is 1800 MHz, or 1.8 GHz, so you're
> underclocking the CPU. Just below, you'll see why. The multiplier is
> x6.0 and the FSB is 300 MHz, for an * effective * FSB (x4, or Quad
> Pumped) of 1200 MHz. CPU speed is x6.0 X 300 MHz FSB, which equals
> 1800 MHz.
>
> Unless you set the multiplier to x6 (the lowest, I believe), it was
> set by Speed Step, which Fishface mentioned. In BIOS, go to the
> Advanced tab, open CPU Configuration and disable Modify Ratio
> Support, then set it to the max value (or vice versa).
>
> Disable C1E
> Disable Intel Speed Step at the very bottom.
>
> This should give you a stable multiplier and Vcore so you can actually
> test the limits of the CPU, without Speed Step changing things on you.
Sorry, I've been bouncing around between some other NGs and forgot I'm
not in the Asus group. The location of the above items will probably be
in a different place in your BIOS, but the same functions will be there.
Again, take a read through the BIOS section of your manual. Each
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:04 pm
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bornfree wrote:
> On 20 Jan, 00:11, "RobV" <r....TakeThisOut@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> bornfree wrote:
>>> On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" <inva....TakeThisOut@ddress.ok?> wrote:
>>>> bornfree wrote:
>>>>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under
>>>>> "specification" though :confused:.
>>
>>>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under
>>>> load. Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it
>>>> lowers the voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>
>>>> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all
>>>> cores by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager,
>>
>>> Orthos running + Windows Performace tab + temps.
>>
>>> http://i11.tinypic.com/850vlts.png
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>>> CPU got a bit hot. (Idle temp around 54/55)
>>
>> Yeah, you have Speed Step enabled. Notice it's now running at 2100
>> MHz, which means the multiplier was changed. Read my response I
>> just posted to your previous post.
>
> Thanks for all your posts Rob. Than have really helped me out here!
>
> I am grappling with disabling speedstep. Been looking through the
> manual, google, and the Bios without any luck.
>
> According to one forum Gigabyte call it EIST (whatever that stands
> for). But I can't find that either!
> Anyway, thanks so far, you've been a big help.
You're very welcome. You might try the Gigabyte MB Ng:
alt.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte, or check if they have a forum at
Gigabyte's web site. Good luck. I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
It just takes time and a bit of reading. At least you know the CPU will
do at least 2.1 GHz..
One other thing. The other guys/gals were just trying to help you. The
core voltage is rather high. You don't want to burn the CPU out before
you give it a good run.
Surprise, surprise...just checked the specs for your CPU. Core voltage:
0.85V to 1.5V. Surprisingly high! However, it will likely overclock
fine on much lower voltage. Remember, the higher the voltage, the
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:43 pm
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bornfree wrote:
> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
> though :confused:.
If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all cores by
checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager, assuming you
are running Windows, of course. I just use this:
www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385/Orthos_Stress_Prime_2004.html
....which runs two instances of Prime95 torture test. I need to run two
instances of Orthos for the Quad core, though. Shaun posted that he
found a Prime95 version on www.MajorGeeks.com which is ver 25.5.
that would stress all cores. I was a little suspicious that it wasn't found
on the official website, so I didn't download it.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:43 pm
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Fishface wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
>
>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>> though :confused:.
>
> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all cores
> by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager, assuming you
> are running Windows, of course. I just use this:
> www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385/Orthos_Stress_Prime_2004.html
Thanks for the link. It does make up for the features Prime95 lacks.
> ...which runs two instances of Prime95 torture test. I need to run
> two instances of Orthos for the Quad core, though. Shaun posted that
> he found a Prime95 version on www.MajorGeeks.com which is ver 25.5.
> that would stress all cores. I was a little suspicious that it
> wasn't found on the official website, so I didn't download it.
> http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
I've been using Prime95 ver 25.5 for a while and it looks as if it's
simply a crude version of what OSP is. It has a main window, two
windows within, one for each core, and it runs the same tests as regular
Prime95 and OSP. I'll certainly use OSP from now on because it does
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:23 am
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"bornfree" <justyouandme RemoveThis @xemaps.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 Jan, 22:43, "Fishface" <inva... RemoveThis @ddress.ok?> wrote:
>> bornfree wrote:
>> > CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>> > though :confused:.
>>
>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
>> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
>> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>
>> Which CPU do you have?
>
>
> E6300. 2 cores.
>
> See this pic it shows my system as defined by CPU ID and prime95.
> http://i1.tinypic.com/6ww5qht.png
That's just the energy saving features (Speedstep?) of the chip kicking in.
Notice in CPUID the multiplier is x6. An E6300 has a maximum 7x multiplier
(266MHz*7=1862MHz). You have raised the FSB to 300, so the moment your E6300
comes under load, the multiplier will change to x7 and the chip will run at
2100MHz. Forget what the 'specification' section of CPUID says, no matter
what actual speed you are running at, it will always show "6300 @ 1.86GHz".
Everything is fine so far.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:49 am
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bornfree wrote:
> I am grappling with disabling speedstep. Been looking through the
> manual, google, and the Bios without any luck.
>
> According to one forum Gigabyte call it EIST (whatever that stands
> for). But I can't find that either!
Got a screen like this?
http://pic.xfastest.com/hicookie/ga_ds3p_v33/bios-0002.jpg
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology, I think...
What RAM do you have, anyway? My E6400 is running 426 x 8 in
a Gigabyte P35-DS3L at I think 1.3125 volts. Well, it doesn't have
a video card in it at the moment, but it did! You are perhaps limited
a bit by the maximum 7 multiplier of the E6300 and RAM speed, but
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:22 pm
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On 21 Jan, 04:39, "Fishface" <inva....DeleteThis@ddress.ok?> wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > Cheap RAM.
>
> Uh, not very specific. Some cheap RAM overclocks very well,
> like my SuperTalent DDR2. $40 for 2 GB.
My RAM says:
DDR2 -533 1GB
pqi 0101-06D1
MEABR422LA
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:30 am
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On 21 Jan, 06:54, "Fishface" <inva....TakeThisOut@ddress.ok?> wrote:
> bornfree wrote:
> > My RAM says:
> > DDR2 -533 1GB
> > pqi 0101-06D1
> > MEABR422LA
>
> > Does that relate to PC2 6400 in any way?
>
> Nope, PC2-4200. PC2-6400 is DDR2-800.
>
I have a confession to make then. 1GB of memory is in the form of a
DDR2 -533 stick, while the other GB is PC2-6400.
The PC2-6400 I fitted myself, and was £20 inc postage. (equiv to $40
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:02 am
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On 21 Jan, 08:30, bornfree <justyouan....RemoveThis@xemaps.com> wrote:
> On 21 Jan, 06:54, "Fishface" <inva....RemoveThis@ddress.ok?> wrote:
>
> > bornfree wrote:
> > > My RAM says:
> > > DDR2 -533 1GB
> > > pqi 0101-06D1
> > > MEABR422LA
>
> > > Does that relate to PC2 6400 in any way?
>
> > Nope, PC2-4200. PC2-6400 is DDR2-800.
>
> I have a confession to make then. 1GB of memory is in the form of a
> DDR2 -533 stick, while the other GB is PC2-6400.
According to the bios it (my DRAM) was running at 533(something) but
CPU-Z says it is running at 300Mhz.
Also I have a sneaky feeling when I set it higher in the bios it will
stay the same in CPU-Z. I dunno.
Also, when I changed the FSB from 300 to 366, my CPU clock stayed at
2.10Ghz. :confuzzled:
Here's the cheaper ram stick info in cpu z
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bornfree wrote:
> My RAM says:
> DDR2 -533 1GB
> pqi 0101-06D1
> MEABR422LA
>
> Does that relate to PC2 6400 in any way?
Nope, PC2-4200. PC2-6400 is DDR2-800.
If you can see who manufactures the individual chips, you can look
up the data sheet to see what maximum voltage you can feed them.
A lot of times, the slower memory is the same as the expensive
memory a company sells, just spec'd to run at a lower voltage and
possibly not tested at a faster speed with a higher voltage. Then
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:03 am
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Somewhere on teh intarweb "Fishface" typed:
> bornfree wrote:
>
>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>> though :confused:.
>
> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>
> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all cores
> by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager, assuming you
> are running Windows, of course. I just use this:
> www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385/Orthos_Stress_Prime_2004.html
>
> ...which runs two instances of Prime95 torture test. I need to run
> two instances of Orthos for the Quad core, though. Shaun posted that
> he found a Prime95 version on www.MajorGeeks.com which is ver 25.5.
> that would stress all cores. I was a little suspicious that it
> wasn't found on the official website, so I didn't download it.
> http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
It's been running fine, far easier than mucking about with two instances of
Orthos and setting affinity etc..
I see that it has been mentioned as the stress program of choice in a few
mobo reviews I've read recently. (Sorry, I didn't keep URLs)
The page that you linked, http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm hasn't been
updated since July 4, 2007. Odd I know. <shrug>
Cheers,
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Somewhere on teh intarweb "RobV" typed:
> Fishface wrote:
>> bornfree wrote:
>>
>>> CPUID still reports my clock speed to be 1.86 under "specification"
>>> though :confused:.
>>
>> If SpeedStep is enabled, it will automatically slow down under load.
>> Some report higher overclocks when this is disabled, as it lowers the
>> voltage (vCore) also. Check it with a load.
>>
>> Which CPU do you have? If multi-core, sure it is stressing all cores
>> by checking the performance tab of Windows Task Manager, assuming you
>> are running Windows, of course. I just use this:
>> www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385/Orthos_Stress_Prime_2004.html
>
> Thanks for the link. It does make up for the features Prime95 lacks.
>
>> ...which runs two instances of Prime95 torture test. I need to run
>> two instances of Orthos for the Quad core, though. Shaun posted that
>> he found a Prime95 version on www.MajorGeeks.com which is ver 25.5.
>> that would stress all cores. I was a little suspicious that it
>> wasn't found on the official website, so I didn't download it.
>> http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
>
> I've been using Prime95 ver 25.5 for a while and it looks as if it's
> simply a crude version of what OSP is. It has a main window, two
> windows within, one for each core, and it runs the same tests as
> regular Prime95 and OSP. I'll certainly use OSP from now on because
> it does have all the features that Prime95 lack, all versions
> included.
Not true, which you'd know if you had a four-core CPU.
What features does Orthos have that Prime95 ver.25.5 lacks? I'm curious. I
took Orthos off the systems that I'm responsible for in favour of P95/25.5
as it handles as many cores as you have, without you having to start
multiple instances. Also, it gives you the options of test-types, the same
as Orthos does.
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