Hard drive connectors... ATA-100?

DanSolo wrote:
> After a recent HD failure in my laptop (melted by the lousy quality
> Advent 7060), I sent away for a USB to IDE connector to see could I
> retrieve any data from it. The drive intermittently crashed XP so the
> data is probably salvagable. Now I notice the drive is "Hitachi
> Travelstar® DK23FB 40 GB ATA-100". What's ATA100? The pins certainly
> won't fit the IDE connector I bought.
> I shoulda guessed Advent would pick some dopey format for it's HD.
> What an overheating bezel-cracking noisy piece of junk.

3.5" drives (the desktop kind) use a 40 pin connector. Operating power
of about 13 watts comes via both 5V and 12V power using the separate
Molex connector. (Same idea with SATA - separate power and data section).

2.5" drives (laptop kind) use a 44 pin connector for IDE. The extra pins
allow the power to be integrated into the data connector. On the newest
drives, power is only 2.5 watts or less, and comes through a 5V only pin
on the 44 pin connector.

You can get "44 pin to 40 pin plus power connector" adapters for the job
of connecting a laptop drive to a desktop.

External disk drive enclosures are also available, with the correct
connector in place. A small 2.5" enclosure will have a 44 pin in it.
A 3.5" enclosure would have the 40 pin in it. Depending on spacing
and construction, there might not be room to install an adapter to
"fix" an enclosure.

This is an example of an adapter. The side nearest us in the picture,
is the 44 pin, 2mm center to center connector. On the opposite side,
is room to insert a 40 pin connector with 0.1" center to center
spacing. The Molex only needs the +5V (red) and ground (black) as
a source of power in this case. This adapter would typically be used
in a desktop computer, as a means of temporarily connecting a 2.5"
drive to get the data off.

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-203-012-02.jpg

Paul
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"DanSolo" <daniel.otoole DeleteThis @ucd.ie> wrote in message
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After a recent HD failure in my laptop (melted by the lousy quality
Advent 7060), I sent away for a USB to IDE connector to see could I
retrieve any data from it. The drive intermittently crashed XP so the
data is probably salvagable. Now I notice the drive is "Hitachi
Travelstar® DK23FB 40 GB ATA-100". What's ATA100? The pins certainly
won't fit the IDE connector I bought.
I shoulda guessed Advent would pick some dopey format for it's HD.
What an overheating bezel-cracking noisy piece of junk.


More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an adaptor
plugged into it.
You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to ide
adaptor
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On Jan 24, 11:26 pm, "philo" <ph....DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote:
> More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an adaptor
> plugged into it.
> You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to ide
> adaptor

I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.
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On Jan 26, 9:16 am, km <o... DeleteThis @all.co.uk> wrote:
> Probably a better picture at:http://www.datapro.net/products/laptop-ide-hard-drive-adaptor.html
>
> km

OK, I think I've got it now. ATA100 is just the specification of the
HD transfer protocols, not the connector itself. Would this do the job
then?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280194368292
I guess this is one thing I can't blame the Advent for. Although I'm
still blaming the nuclear fusion reactor placed right next to the HD
in the case for melting it.
Thanks everyone. I'm learning a lot here.
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"DanSolo" <daniel.otoole.TakeThisOut@ucd.ie> wrote in message
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> On Jan 24, 11:26 pm, "philo" <ph....TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:
> > More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an
adaptor
> > plugged into it.
> > You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to
ide
> > adaptor
>
> I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
> plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
> one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.


No, look closely...there is a space (or should be)

the laptop HD also has master/slave jumper pins which of course...
your adaptor does NOT plug into
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:06:52 -0800 (PST), DanSolo
<daniel.otoole.RemoveThis@ucd.ie> wrote:

>On Jan 24, 11:26 pm, "philo" <ph....RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
>> More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an adaptor
>> plugged into it.
>> You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to ide
>> adaptor
>
>I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
>plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
>one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.

You seem to be get into a tangle, if I have understood your posts.

ATA 100 relates to a version of IDE speed of connection ie 33, 66 and
more lately 100. The phsical look of the IDE connection is not
dependant on the speed but on the motherboard connection.

Laptops are small with fewer pins and different look from IDE
connectors for desktop computers.

I guess, from your description that the adapter is USB to standard
desktop IDE whereas your 2.5" hard drive needs an adapter to convert
it to a normal desktop arrangement which would then accept the USB
convertor.

see:
http://insidecomputer.stores.yahoo.net/la2tode3hadr.html


km
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:00:51 +0000, km <osb.TakeThisOut@all.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:06:52 -0800 (PST), DanSolo
><daniel.otoole.TakeThisOut@ucd.ie> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 24, 11:26 pm, "philo" <ph....TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an adaptor
>>> plugged into it.
>>> You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to ide
>>> adaptor
>>
>>I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
>>plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
>>one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.
>
>You seem to be get into a tangle, if I have understood your posts.
>
>ATA 100 relates to a version of IDE speed of connection ie 33, 66 and
>more lately 100. The phsical look of the IDE connection is not
>dependant on the speed but on the motherboard connection.
>
>Laptops are small with fewer pins and different look from IDE
>connectors for desktop computers.
>
>I guess, from your description that the adapter is USB to standard
>desktop IDE whereas your 2.5" hard drive needs an adapter to convert
>it to a normal desktop arrangement which would then accept the USB
>convertor.
>
>see:
>http://insidecomputer.stores.yahoo.net/la2tode3hadr.html
>
>
>km


Probably a better picture at:
http://www.datapro.net/products/laptop-ide-hard-drive-adaptor.html

km
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On Jan 26, 11:45 am, "philo" <ph... DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote:
> the laptop HD also has master/slave jumper pins which of course...
> your adaptor does NOT plug into

OK, I've counted the pins and there's definitely 2 banks of 22 equals
44 pins (although one doesn't seem to be there in the middle, but it
looks like it was made like that). There's also 4 pins separate which
I guess are for power. When I search for "ATA 100" on ebay every match
says "ATA100/IDE", both for cables and new drives. How can I tell
which ones will fit my non-IDE drive?
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On Feb 1, 5:12 pm, "GT" <ContactGT_remo... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> That is what I meant! He has 44 pins - 40 for the IDE and 4 extra for
> jumpers

Actually no, there's 48 pins in total...
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1548563_IDEATA100.jpg.html
As you can see from the IDE connector at the top, there's no way these
babies are going click.
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On Feb 1, 6:30 pm, Paul <nos... RemoveThis @needed.com> wrote:
> GT wrote:
> > "Calab" <mys... RemoveThis @csd.ca> wrote in message
> >news:SOGoj.34444$ow.10712@pd7urf1no...
> >>> 44 pins is a normal IDE connection. IDE is also referred to as ATA or
> >>> EIDE or PATA. Its all the same thing. 1 standard, several names.
> >> Correction - a normal IDE, ATA or PATA connector is 40 pins. Any extra
> >> pins above that are non-standard, providing power or configuration.
>
> > That is what I meant! He has 44 pins - 40 for the IDE and 4 extra for
> > jumpers
>
> 44 pins is the standard for a 2.5" drive. Center to center pin spacing is 2mm.
> 40 of the pins are the "normal" interface pins. 4 pins are used for power. For
> a total of 44 pins (two rows of 22 pins).
>
> In this document, a 4 pin block is next to the 44 pin main connector. It
> is used to set master, slave, or cable select on the 2.5" drive.
>
> http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2579-001037.pdf
>
> Here is a picture of a 44 pin drive, with the 4 pin master/slave/CS block on the right.
> Total number of pins in this picture is 48 pins (minus the one removed for keying).
>
> http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200609/supertalentFIDE8GB_pins.jpg

So it's EIDE then rather than IDE? OK, I'll have a look on evilbay for
them...
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"DanSolo" <daniel.otoole.RemoveThis@ucd.ie> wrote in message
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> On Jan 26, 11:45 am, "philo" <ph....RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
>> the laptop HD also has master/slave jumper pins which of course...
>> your adaptor does NOT plug into
>
> OK, I've counted the pins and there's definitely 2 banks of 22 equals
> 44 pins (although one doesn't seem to be there in the middle, but it
> looks like it was made like that). There's also 4 pins separate which
> I guess are for power. When I search for "ATA 100" on ebay every match
> says "ATA100/IDE", both for cables and new drives. How can I tell
> which ones will fit my non-IDE drive?

Those extra 4 pins are the master/slave jumper pins as philo already told
you. You need to put a jumper on the correct 2 pins to tell the controller
if the drive is master or slave on that cable.

44 pins is a normal IDE connection. IDE is also referred to as ATA or EIDE
or PATA. Its all the same thing. 1 standard, several names.
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> 44 pins is a normal IDE connection. IDE is also referred to as ATA or EIDE
> or PATA. Its all the same thing. 1 standard, several names.

Correction - a normal IDE, ATA or PATA connector is 40 pins. Any extra pins
above that are non-standard, providing power or configuration.
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On Feb 1, 6:41 pm, DanSolo <daniel.oto....TakeThisOut@ucd.ie> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 6:30 pm, Paul <nos....TakeThisOut@needed.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > GT wrote:
> > > "Calab" <mys....TakeThisOut@csd.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:SOGoj.34444$ow.10712@pd7urf1no...
> > >>> 44 pins is a normal IDE connection. IDE is also referred to as ATA or
> > >>> EIDE or PATA. Its all the same thing. 1 standard, several names.
> > >> Correction - a normal IDE, ATA or PATA connector is 40 pins. Any extra
> > >> pins above that are non-standard, providing power or configuration.
>
> > > That is what I meant! He has 44 pins - 40 for the IDE and 4 extra for
> > > jumpers
>
> > 44 pins is the standard for a 2.5" drive. Center to center pin spacing is 2mm.
> > 40 of the pins are the "normal" interface pins. 4 pins are used for power. For
> > a total of 44 pins (two rows of 22 pins).
>
> > In this document, a 4 pin block is next to the 44 pin main connector. It
> > is used to set master, slave, or cable select on the 2.5" drive.
>
> >http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2579-001037.pdf
>
> > Here is a picture of a 44 pin drive, with the 4 pin master/slave/CS block on the right.
> > Total number of pins in this picture is 48 pins (minus the one removed for keying).
>
> >http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200609/supertalentFIDE8GB_pins.jpg
>
> So it's EIDE then rather than IDE? OK, I'll have a look on evilbay for
> them...

Right, I'm obviously talking total rubbish there. Would
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180211775900
connect a 2.5inch 44 pin drive to my IDE to USB adaptor?
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