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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:56 am
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> "Jon Danniken" <jonREMOVETHISdanniken DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>That is only a 19" monitor, and a widescreen 19" monitor is pretty small.
>>If you want widescreen, buy a 22" widescreen monitor and a TV tuner card
>>for
>>your computer. Should cost less than $250.00 for the monitor, and less
>>than
>>$50.00 for the tuner card that way, depending on which brand and model you
>>get.
>
> OK but wont I have to have the computer on to "watch"
> the TV.... and wont that consume a lot of power just
> for TV watching?
>
> And..... can I have the convenience of a TV "remote
> control" with the internal TV tuner card?
>
> By the way... thanks for your help guys... like I said
> money is pretty tight for me but I've got to have some
> kind of computer and TV... especially the computer part
> as Internet access is almost a must have while in
> college. And using the computers at the college library
> is getting harder and harder

OK, sorry to jump in late here, but was on the road for a while. Now that I
know what you are trying to do, I second Jon's recommendations, and expand
upon them.

You will have to have the computer "ON" to watch TV. HOWEVER, this won't
use as much extra energy as you might imagine. One way or another, you've
got to power a monitor to watch TV. So the DISPLAY energy usage is
identical. You've also got to power a tuner somehow. If the tuner is built
into the display/monitor, that will add to the energy usage of the monitor.
A computer power supply (used to power a TV tuner expansion card, among
other things) will use more power when running than the tuner (built into a
TV) would. But not enough to worry about. You're probably talking about 25
cents per month in extra electricity. Smile

Any decent tv tuner card will have a remote control.

If saving money is your goal, get yourself a good LCD computer monitor and a
TV tuner card. Something like:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116098 (my
suggestion)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009094 (if you
insist on widescreen)

Note that you could add EITHER of the two monitors above, plus the TV tuner
above, to the system I spec'd earlier, and still be less than $600, before
shipping.

BUT, as you are building something for TV watching, you might consider a
decent video card to add right away, also:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141068 Not a
screamer, but it should perform very well. It's Silent (fanless) AND DX10
class, also. Not bad for forty bucks.

With the system I posted earlier, you are somewhere over $600, before
shipping, depending on which monitor you choose. I believe if you build
this, you will love it. -Dave

OK, from www.newegg.com
PHILIPS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM Write Black IDE
interface (ATAPI) Model SPD2413BD - Retail
Item #: N82E16827248006
$29.99
RAIDMAX xB ATX-528B Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case -
Retail
Item #: N82E16811156053
$22.99
NEC Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16821152005
$6.99
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136075
$49.99
Antec earthwatts EA430 ATX12V v2.0 430W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371006
-$10.00 Instant
$59.99
SUPER TALENT 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop
Memory Model T6UB1GC5 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820609085
$20.99
BIOSTAR 945GC Micro 775 LGA 775 Intel 945GC Micro ATX Intel
Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138089
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$48.99
Intel Celeron D 347 Cedar Mill 3.06GHz LGA 775 Single-Core Processor
Model BX80552347 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819112234
$45.99

Subtotal: $285.92

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:33 pm
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"Dave" <noway.TakeThisOut@nohow.not> wrote:

>If saving money is your goal, get yourself a good LCD computer monitor and a
>TV tuner card. Something like:
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260005
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116098 (my
>suggestion)
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009094 (if you
>insist on widescreen)

On that TV tuner card above...... is it HDTV or just
standard def TV capable?

Also.... I just ordered this antenna and should have it
today...see link

Was it overkill for good digital reception you think?

http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB2_Indoor_antenna.html

It says it "can" be used indoors as well as outdoors.

Also..... have any thoughts on good wifi external
antenna .... maybe even one that is mounted outside?

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:35 pm
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"Dave" <noway.TakeThisOut@nohow.not> wrote:

>> Would a 22" monitor provide enough "real; estate" for
>> decent TV watching when setting abt 7 feet back tho?
>
>Yes. In fact, a 19" monitor would work fine also, as long as it's standard
>4:3 aspect ratio. Or ~22" widescreen. They're about the same size, in
>terms of viewable area. -Dave

Ok again BIG thanks

Well it looks like 22" wide screen is abt the 'sweet
spot" as far as price/size.

Anything bigger seems to go up in cost pretty fast.
Agree?

I mean.... if I go smaller such as 17" LCD wide screen
it's not really THAT much cheaper than 22"... yes?
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:58 pm
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"Dave" <noway.DeleteThis@nohow.not> wrote:

>OK, sorry to jump in late here, but was on the road for a while. Now that I
>know what you are trying to do, I second Jon's recommendations, and expand
>upon them.

One off topic question......

I'm wondering abt the need at all for any kind of TV
tuner actually.... I'm seeing more and more TV shows
offered as streaming video on the Net itself.

Do you think it still necessary for a tuner in your
mind?
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:33 pm
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<me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <noway DeleteThis @nohow.not> wrote:
>
>>If saving money is your goal, get yourself a good LCD computer monitor and
>>a
>>TV tuner card. Something like:
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260005
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116098 (my
>>suggestion)
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009094 (if you
>>insist on widescreen)
>
> On that TV tuner card above...... is it HDTV or just
> standard def TV capable?

Good question! I noticed ATSC, but didn't look into it further. According
to the web site, it is specifically for HDTV time-shifting use.
http://www.kworld.com.tw/product_overview.aspx?P_ID=47#3


>
> Also.... I just ordered this antenna and should have it
> today...see link
>
> Was it overkill for good digital reception you think?
>
> http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB2_Indoor_antenna.html


It depends. I have a digital TV, and find that normal rabbit ears (about 8
bucks at Wally World) work quite well. But, I don't know about reception
where you live.

>
> It says it "can" be used indoors as well as outdoors.
>
> Also..... have any thoughts on good wifi external
> antenna .... maybe even one that is mounted outside?

Why would you need this, exactly? Wifi is usually an internal network. You
aren't stealing bandwidth from your neighbors, are ya? Smile -Dave
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:33 pm
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"Dave" <noway DeleteThis @nohow.not> wrote:

>> Also..... have any thoughts on good wifi external
>> antenna .... maybe even one that is mounted outside?
>
>Why would you need this, exactly? Wifi is usually an internal network. You
>aren't stealing bandwidth from your neighbors, are ya? Smile -Dave

I may be moving soon to a place next to a friend who
does have wifi and share the cost with him
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:38 pm
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<me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <noway RemoveThis @nohow.not> wrote:
>
>>OK, sorry to jump in late here, but was on the road for a while. Now that
>>I
>>know what you are trying to do, I second Jon's recommendations, and expand
>>upon them.
>
> One off topic question......
>
> I'm wondering abt the need at all for any kind of TV
> tuner actually.... I'm seeing more and more TV shows
> offered as streaming video on the Net itself.
>
> Do you think it still necessary for a tuner in your
> mind?

Depends. Are all your favorite shows available streaming on the Net? Do
you have serious bandwidth that someone else is paying for? Smile

Once you start messing around with time-shifting, this question will be
moot. Once you go the DVR route, you can't go back. Whether you realize it
or not, you are actually building a DVR. A low-end DVR, but it should still
work quite well. -Dave
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:09 pm
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me.RemoveThis@privacy.net wrote:
> "~AlicGinnis~" <alik.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think you can beat the price of low end systems by building your
>> own.
>
> OK point taken....
>
> Then maybe I should buy a ready made cheap "box" for
> abt $300 sans monitor.... then get a third part 22"
> monitor and install TV tuner as someone else suggested.
>
> Would a 22" monitor provide enough "real; estate" for
> decent TV watching when setting abt 7 feet back tho?

I use a 22" widescreen and sit about 9 feet away with no problems. 7
feet should be fine
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:09 pm
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harikeo <nomail DeleteThis @home.com> wrote:

>I use a 22" widescreen and sit about 9 feet away with no problems. 7
>feet should be fine

Cool!!

Ok but what abt the OS interface at that distance?

Is it possible to have a wireless keyboard to control
Win XP pro at that distance and be able to SEE the OS
and its associated text and menu buttons?

Also.... what am I going to use for sound output for TV
watching? Just a reg computer speaker system? Or
cheap hoe theater speaker system?
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:09 pm
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>
> Also.... what am I going to use for sound output for TV
> watching? Just a reg computer speaker system? Or
> cheap hoe theater speaker system?

I'd suggest you use a reg computer speaker system and send the cheap hoe to
me.

No seriously. For TV use, Get Altec Lansing brand computer speakers. No
other brand. You can get cheap speakers for a computer, but if it's gonna
be the TV also, go for Altec Lansing, as they will sound better when you
turn them UP. Surround sound is up to you (optional), but stay with Altec
Lansing. -Dave
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:09 pm
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"Dave" <noway DeleteThis @nohow.not> wrote:

>I'd suggest you use a reg computer speaker system and send the cheap hoe to
>me.

hee hee....

I will tell her to start packing!
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:09 pm
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"Dave" <noway.DeleteThis@nohow.not> wrote:

>No seriously. For TV use, Get Altec Lansing brand computer speakers. No
>other brand. You can get cheap speakers for a computer, but if it's gonna
>be the TV also, go for Altec Lansing, as they will sound better when you
>turn them UP. Surround sound is up to you (optional), but stay with Altec
>Lansing. -Dave

Do you mean altec laninsg speakers designed for TV's
..... or one designed for PC's?

Or are they the one in same?
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:57 pm
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>>
>>Why would you need this, exactly? Wifi is usually an internal network.
>>You
>>aren't stealing bandwidth from your neighbors, are ya? Smile -Dave
>
> I may be moving soon to a place next to a friend who
> does have wifi and share the cost with him

Well unless the friend has a router more than about 300' away from your
computer, you shouldn't need anything but a regular access point. No
external antenna needed. -Dave
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:12 pm
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<me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <noway.DeleteThis@nohow.not> wrote:
>
>>No seriously. For TV use, Get Altec Lansing brand computer speakers. No
>>other brand. You can get cheap speakers for a computer, but if it's gonna
>>be the TV also, go for Altec Lansing, as they will sound better when you
>>turn them UP. Surround sound is up to you (optional), but stay with Altec
>>Lansing. -Dave
>
> Do you mean altec laninsg speakers designed for TV's
> .... or one designed for PC's?
>
> Or are they the one in same?

I don't know if Altec Lansing makes home theater speakers. But they make
awesome computer speakers. Actually, a speaker is a speaker is a speaker.
Difference between them is input (power handling capacity) and connectors.
Some have amplifiers built in, also (powered).

I used to watch TV on the Dell workstation at work, using Altec Lansing
computer speakers. Home theater speakers are usually higher quality than
computer speakers, but Altec Lansing is a good middle ground . . . perfectly
acceptable for home entertainment use. That is, if you have to move back
away from the computer monitor (like to watch TV on the computer monitor),
you can turn the volume up and Altec Lansing computer speakers will still
sound good from a distance, at higher volume levels. -Dave
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:24 pm
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"Dave" <noway DeleteThis @nohow.not> wrote:

>With the system I posted earlier, you are somewhere over $600, before
>shipping, depending on which monitor you choose. I believe if you build
>this, you will love it. -Dave

Wow Dave... thanks so much for the "specific"
suggestions on hardware and such!!

After some thought this weekend, I do agree that using
a desktop PC as a "TV" will be most cost effective for
me as well. This way I can use it as a TV as well as
general Internet computer for homework.

I was originally thinking abt buying a cheap laptop and
just getting a SDTV such as cheap RCA 20" TV in link
below.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5633689

But...... really that's going to wind up costing me
more and give me less utility I think. Plus as much
as I want to like laptops.... I just never been a big
fan of them when suing them as an "only" computer.
Agree?
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