K6-III+ might be DOA?

The VA-503A requires BETA BIOS JN4116 (with audio codec) or JO4116
(without audio codec) to support the K6-II+/III+ processors.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JO4116.ZIP" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JO4116.ZIP</a>

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JN4116.ZIP" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JN4116.ZIP</a>

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/flash713.zip" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/flash713.zip</a>

Regards,

Tim


Darron Schneider wrote in message news:<o69drv0avp97er4iuckt3bcs8bhpg3edl1.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...

 > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for less
 > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
 > morning only to find it will not even POST.
 >
 > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version. It
 > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that along
 > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does anyone
 > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
 >
 > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously used a
 > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I did
 > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Darron Schneider wrote:
 > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for less
 > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
 > morning only to find it will not even POST.
 >
 > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version. It
 > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that along
 > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does anyone
 > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
 >
 > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously used a
 > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I did
 > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.

$20 for a "+" cpu sounds too good to be true.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I might add that the low Vcore voltage rating on the CPU package is
not necessarily the max voltage you can use with the chip. The rating
for Vcore according to AMD spec sheets is "up to 2.2v". I suspect
2.0v would work just fine with the process technology of that
particular era of cpu. However, ymmv. Remember that these chips were
originally intended for laptop use, where power conservation is of
much more concern. Chips that would work properly at lower Vcore were
probably test sorted by AMD for sale to laptop customers.

--
Best regards,
Kyle
"Tim" <tcsenter DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:47a7af07.0311161214.37f624de@posting.google.com...
| The VA-503A requires BETA BIOS JN4116 (with audio codec) or JO4116
| (without audio codec) to support the K6-II+/III+ processors.
|
| ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JO4116.ZIP
|
| ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JN4116.ZIP
|
| ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/flash713.zip
|
| Regards,
|
| Tim
|
|
| Darron Schneider wrote in message
news:<o69drv0avp97er4iuckt3bcs8bhpg3edl1 DeleteThis @4ax.com>...
|
| > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for
less
| > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
| > morning only to find it will not even POST.
| >
| > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version.
It
| > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that
along
| > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does
anyone
| > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
| >
| > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously
used a
| > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I
did
| > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.
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Darron Schneider wrote:

 > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for less
 > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
 > morning only to find it will not even POST.
 >
 > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version. It
 > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that along
 > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does anyone
 > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
 >
 > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously used a
 > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I did
 > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.

I don't think there are any K6-3+ chips that were 1.6v.
I have one and it says 2.0v.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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")-()-(" wrote:

 > Darron Schneider wrote:
 >
  > > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for less
  > > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
  > > morning only to find it will not even POST.
  > >
  > > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version. It
  > > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that along
  > > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does anyone
  > > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
  > >
  > > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously used a
  > > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I did
  > > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.
 >
 > I don't think there are any K6-3+ chips that were 1.6v.
 > I have one and it says 2.0v.

Here's a reference.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm" target="_blank">http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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if anything it WOULD post, but 1.8 is as high as I would go ~ he should
flash the BIOS and then he should be good to go

"Robert Akins" <robert.akins2.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:qqEtb.59070$p9.56005@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
 > It probably won't post at 1.8V. There were several versions of the
K6-III+
 > with different voltage requirements. That's probably why it was $20;
there
 > are only a couple motherboards that it will work on (if that). You might
 > see if you can find some kind of voltage reducer adapter (Powerleap?) that
 > goes down to 1.6V.
 > Robert
 > "Darron Schneider" <not.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote in message
 > news:o69drv0avp97er4iuckt3bcs8bhpg3edl1@4ax.com...
  > > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for less
  > > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
  > > morning only to find it will not even POST.
  > >
  > > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version. It
  > > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that along
  > > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does anyone
  > > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
  > >
  > > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously used a
  > > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I did
  > > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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")-()-(" wrote in message news:<3FB96E5C.76646C72.RemoveThis@address.com>...

 > I don't think there are any K6-3+ chips that were 1.6v.
 > I have one and it says 2.0v.


There were low power versions released as "embedded" processors but
with the standard 321-pin CPGA package of a desktop/mobile processor.
I suspect these versions were not released in North American markets.
They are rare, but out there in some quantities.

K6-2E+/350AUZ 1.5V
K6-2E+/400ATZ 1.6V
K6-2E+/450APZ 1.7V

K6-IIIE+/400ATZ 1.6V
K6-IIIE+/450APZ 1.7V
K6-IIIE+/500ANZ 1.8V

I have never seen one of these, so the actual processor marking may
not use the "E" designation (e.g. AMD-K6-III+/400ATZ). I do not know
if these are similarly compatible with desktop motherboards, but at
least one (unverified) source reports they are compatible. The
K6-II+/III+ we are most accustomed to seeing are the ACZ models
(2.0V).

Surplus Computers has some K6-II+ 550MHz and K6-III+ 450MHz processors
available for sale (as of this writing). The price on the K6-II+
550MHz is $39.99.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.softwareandstuff.com/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://www.softwareandstuff.com/cpu.html</a>

Regards,

Tim<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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The majority of K6-III+ CPUs were 2.0V but that wasn't the only voltage they
were sold with. I once was at the Dallas TX 3rd Saturday computer sale and
one vendor who usually sells software (and a few misc. hardware items) had a
couple flats of K6-III+ 400 CPUs they were selling. When I looked at them I
discovered they were marked 1.8V. I explained to the ladies who were
running the booth that day that they might get a bunch of unhappy customers
who discovered that their Socket 7 boards would not run these chips. They
pulled the CPUs off the table and said they would check out my claim. I
don't know what happened after that. I presume that there could be some
1.6V chips out there too.
Robert
")-()-(" <email.RemoveThis@address.com> wrote in message
news:3FB96E5C.76646C72@address.com...
 >
 >
 > Darron Schneider wrote:
 >
  > > I was really proud of myself; practically stealing a K6-III+ for less
  > > than $20 on eBay. It arrived yesterday and I installed it this
  > > morning only to find it will not even POST.
  > >
  > > The CPU is rated 400 MHz and is some kind of low voltage version. It
  > > is marked 1.6V. My VA-503A can be set at 1.8V, so I did that along
  > > with setting the FSB at 100 MHz and the multipier to 4. Does anyone
  > > know if this chip ABSOLUTELY needs 1.6V?
  > >
  > > The board was working fine with a K6-II/500 and I've previously used a
  > > few K6-III's. This is my first "+" model so I'm wondering if I did
  > > something wrong. Any help is welcome, thanks.
 >
 > I don't think there are any K6-3+ chips that were 1.6v.
 > I have one and it says 2.0v.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 18 Nov 2003 00:59:40 -0800, tcsenter RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Tim) wrote:

 >")-()-(" wrote in message news:<3FB96E5C.76646C72 RemoveThis @address.com>...
 >
  >> I don't think there are any K6-3+ chips that were 1.6v.
  >> I have one and it says 2.0v.
 >
 >
 >There were low power versions released as "embedded" processors but
 >with the standard 321-pin CPGA package of a desktop/mobile processor.
 >I suspect these versions were not released in North American markets.
 >They are rare, but out there in some quantities.
 >
 >K6-2E+/350AUZ 1.5V
 >K6-2E+/400ATZ 1.6V
 >K6-2E+/450APZ 1.7V
 >
 >K6-IIIE+/400ATZ 1.6V
 >K6-IIIE+/450APZ 1.7V
 >K6-IIIE+/500ANZ 1.8V
 >
 >I have never seen one of these, so the actual processor marking may
 >not use the "E" designation (e.g. AMD-K6-III+/400ATZ). I do not know
 >if these are similarly compatible with desktop motherboards, but at
 >least one (unverified) source reports they are compatible. The
 >K6-II+/III+ we are most accustomed to seeing are the ACZ models
 >(2.0V).
 >
 >Surplus Computers has some K6-II+ 550MHz and K6-III+ 450MHz processors
 >available for sale (as of this writing). The price on the K6-II+
 >550MHz is $39.99.
 >
 >http://www.softwareandstuff.com/cpu.html
 >
 >Regards,
 >
 >Tim

Thanks to all who wrote in; really good advice for the most part. I
will look into the BIOS update; that board has JO413 right now. I was
actually planning to put it in my Mom's HP notebook (she has a
K6-II+/550) and I just wanted to test it before taking that thing
apart. I figured it would be safe to be only .2V away from nominal
and if I cooked it I could call it a learning experience

For those who didn't find the ebay listing, try
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/92/9d/5d_1.JPG." target="_blank">http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/92/9d/5d_1.JPG.</a> I can verify it is
exactly as shown with the ATZ marking.

Wish me luck!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 16 Nov 2003 12:14:22 -0800, tcsenter.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Tim) wrote:

 >The VA-503A requires BETA BIOS JN4116 (with audio codec) or JO4116
 >(without audio codec) to support the K6-II+/III+ processors.
 >
 >ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JO4116.ZIP
 >
 >ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/JN4116.ZIP
 >
 >ftp://ftp.fic.com.tw/motherboard/bios/socket7/va-503a/flash713.zip
 >
 >Regards,
 >
 >Tim
 >
 >

Tim, what is the difference between flash73.exe and flash713.exe? I
think I used flash73 last time around.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Darron Schneider" <not.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote in message
news:no1orv8aapj0gqd68jfbb9jpp648b7p808@4ax.com...
| On 18 Nov 2003 00:59:40 -0800, tcsenter.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Tim) wrote:
|
| >")-()-(" wrote in message news:<3FB96E5C.76646C72.TakeThisOut@address.com>...
| >
| >> I don't think there are any K6-3+ chips that were 1.6v.
| >> I have one and it says 2.0v.
| >
| >
| >There were low power versions released as "embedded" processors but
| >with the standard 321-pin CPGA package of a desktop/mobile
processor.
| >I suspect these versions were not released in North American
markets.
| >They are rare, but out there in some quantities.
| >
| >K6-2E+/350AUZ 1.5V
| >K6-2E+/400ATZ 1.6V
| >K6-2E+/450APZ 1.7V
| >
| >K6-IIIE+/400ATZ 1.6V
| >K6-IIIE+/450APZ 1.7V
| >K6-IIIE+/500ANZ 1.8V
| >
| >I have never seen one of these, so the actual processor marking may
| >not use the "E" designation (e.g. AMD-K6-III+/400ATZ). I do not
know
| >if these are similarly compatible with desktop motherboards, but at
| >least one (unverified) source reports they are compatible. The
| >K6-II+/III+ we are most accustomed to seeing are the ACZ models
| >(2.0V).
| >
| >Surplus Computers has some K6-II+ 550MHz and K6-III+ 450MHz
processors
| >available for sale (as of this writing). The price on the K6-II+
| >550MHz is $39.99.
| >
| >http://www.softwareandstuff.com/cpu.html
| >
| >Regards,
| >
| >Tim
|
| Thanks to all who wrote in; really good advice for the most part. I
| will look into the BIOS update; that board has JO413 right now. I
was
| actually planning to put it in my Mom's HP notebook (she has a
| K6-II+/550) and I just wanted to test it before taking that thing
| apart. I figured it would be safe to be only .2V away from nominal
| and if I cooked it I could call it a learning experience
|
| For those who didn't find the ebay listing, try
| http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/92/9d/5d_1.JPG. I can verify it is
| exactly as shown with the ATZ marking.
|
| Wish me luck!


Given your ultimate goal of dropping the cpu in a laptop, the laptop
may just have settings for the desired Vcore, so look it over real
good.
--
Best regards,
Kyle
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Darron Schneider wrote in message news:<qo3orv8b2v2u3vjbs680dg1jf3040769p0.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...

 > Tim, what is the difference between flash73.exe and flash713.exe? I
 > think I used flash73 last time around.


My apologies. I intended to link FLASH73.EXE, which is already
included in the BIOS zip file, anyhoo.

Regards,

Tim<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Odds are the extra .2V is within maximum safe limits. The extra .2V
is not the cause of your POST failure. You need the BIOS update for
the VA-503A to run these processors.

WRT your mother's notebook, expect no meaningful improvement over the
K6-2+ 550MHz lest ye find a way to overclock the K6-III+ to 500MHz or
more. A K6-2+ @ 550MHz is virtually equivalent to a K6-III+ @ 450MHz
in performance. The disparity between the "+" models is not nearly as
great as that between the desktop K6-2 and K6-III because the K6-2+
has 128KB of L2 whereas the K6-2 had none.

Regards,

Tim


Darron Schneider wrote in message news:<no1orv8aapj0gqd68jfbb9jpp648b7p808.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...

 > Thanks to all who wrote in; really good advice for the most part. I
 > will look into the BIOS update; that board has JO413 right now. I was
 > actually planning to put it in my Mom's HP notebook (she has a
 > K6-II+/550) and I just wanted to test it before taking that thing
 > apart. I figured it would be safe to be only .2V away from nominal
 > and if I cooked it I could call it a learning experience
 >
 > For those who didn't find the ebay listing, try
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/92/9d/5d_1.JPG." target="_blank">http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/92/9d/5d_1.JPG.</a> I can verify it is
 > exactly as shown with the ATZ marking.
 >
 > Wish me luck!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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