KM400 can support Sempron??

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:57:07 +0800, TORN wrote:

 > just want to know what chipset can support Sempron (Socket A)?? so far i
 > know :
 >
Any that supports a 166MHz 333FSB.

 > KT600/ KT800
 > N-Force 2
 >
Any of the above.

 > i need to build a integrated VGA chipset PC.. so an KM400 suppport
 > Sempron??
 >
Yes, but socket A Semprons are the most expensive cpu's you can buy, They
are underclocked, overrated (number wise compared to XP's by 400), and
overpriced. IOW's, let the ignorant buy them and don't be a fool since
you've been told.

Sempron 2800+, Tbred B core, 2000MHz, $106
AthlonXP 2400+, Tbred B core, 2000MHz, $56

Sempron 2200+, ?? core, 1500MHz, $70
AthlonXP 1800+, ?? core, 1533MHz, $48

Todays prices. You be the judge.

The ONLY Sempron that is worth it's price is the 3100+ for socket754 and
that debatable since it does support 64bit code and you can get an A^$
2800+ (which is faster than the Sempron 3100+) for just a few $ more.

Don't be fooled by the name change, difference model numbering, which is
in comparison to Celerons btw, etc.

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:57:07 +0800, "TORN" <stardreamer77.RemoveThis@hotmail.com.123> wrote:

 >Hi..
 >just want to know what chipset can support Sempron (Socket A)?? so far i
 >know :
 >
 >KT600/ KT800
 >N-Force 2
 >
 >i need to build a integrated VGA chipset PC.. so an KM400 suppport Sempron??
 >
 >Thanks...
 >

VIA KM400
VIA KT400
VIA KT400A
VIA KT600
SiS 741GX
SiS 748

Might be more, I'm just going by AMD's page here....
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_11521" target="_blank">http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_11521</a>^11522,00.html?1094455483

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 > Sempron 2800+, Tbred B core, 2000MHz, $106
 > AthlonXP 2400+, Tbred B core, 2000MHz, $56
 >
 > Sempron 2200+, ?? core, 1500MHz, $70
 > AthlonXP 1800+, ?? core, 1533MHz, $48

At those prices, I agree that the Athlon XP is a much better buy. Keep
in mind, though, that the Sempron will probably be marginally faster
compared to lower-end T-bred XPs due to its 333MHz FSB (compared to the
XP's 266MHz FSB).

Also, the spread isn't all that wide everywhere--the Sempron 2400+ and
XP 2000+ are only $2 apart on newegg.com.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <aW_1d.21350$di4.15180@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, "Jef
Norton" <jefn_REMOVE_YOUR_SHORTS_.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 > "TORN" <stardreamer77.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com.123> wrote in message
 > news:41487469$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
 > | Hi..
 > | just want to know what chipset can support Sempron (Socket A)?? so far i
 > | know :
 > |
 > | KT600/ KT800
 > | N-Force 2
 > |
 > | i need to build a integrated VGA chipset PC.. so an KM400 suppport
 > Sempron??
 > |
 > | Thanks...
 > |
 > |
 >
 > Hi TORN -
 >
 > Abit's NF7-M supports Sempron processors, provided you've flashed in advance
 > to the latest BIOS release (NF7_27.bin). The NF7-M is Abit's only nForce2
 > board with integrated graphics.
 >
 > I cannot comment on the other chipsets you mention.
 >
 > Jef

On the Asus side of things, you can use the cpusupport web page,
and select the CPU name option. The pulldown menu allows selecting
a particular processor model, and the web page will return all the
motherboards that can use it.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx</a>

I placed the notation about integrated graphics next to the
ones, that based on naming convention, contain a graphics
Northbridge.

A7N8X
A7N8X Deluxe
A7N8X-E Deluxe
A7N8X-VM   <--- integrated graphics
A7N8X-VM/400   <--- integrated graphics
A7N8X-X
A7V333-X  
A7V400-MX    <--- integrated graphics
A7V600  
A7V600 SE  
A7V600-X  
A7V880  
A7V8X
A7V8X-MX   <--- integrated graphics
A7V8X-MX SE   <--- integrated graphics
A7V8X-X

Generally speaking, the BIOS on any Asus microATX board sucks.
There are hardly any adjustments, and in some cases, there are
restrictions on RAM speed etc. For example, if you are using
the integrated graphics on the A7N8X-VM/400, you should use
PC2700 RAM in it, to prevent video artifacts from appearing.
With DDR333 RAM, the best choice of processor in that case
is a FSB333 processor.

Check Google before buying any of these, for info on any other
gotchas with microATX Asus boards.

HTH,
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:14:26 -0600, Lachoneus wrote:

  >> Sempron 2800+, Tbred B core, 2000MHz, $106
  >> AthlonXP 2400+, Tbred B core, 2000MHz, $56
  >>
  >> Sempron 2200+, ?? core, 1500MHz, $70
  >> AthlonXP 1800+, ?? core, 1533MHz, $48
 >
 > At those prices, I agree that the Athlon XP is a much better buy. Keep
 > in mind, though, that the Sempron will probably be marginally faster
 > compared to lower-end T-bred XPs due to its 333MHz FSB (compared to the
 > XP's 266MHz FSB).
 >
 > Also, the spread isn't all that wide everywhere--the Sempron 2400+ and
 > XP 2000+ are only $2 apart on newegg.com.

The cheapest Sempron I found was a 2300+ for $59. For $62 you can get a
2600+ Athlon XP Barton core that is faster than all the Semprons. under
the Sempron rating system, it would be rated as a Sempron 3000+. So, would
you buy a Sempron?

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 >> Stay informed about: KM400 can support Sempron?? 

 > The cheapest Sempron I found was a 2300+ for $59. For $62 you can get a
 > 2600+ Athlon XP Barton core that is faster than all the Semprons. under
 > the Sempron rating system, it would be rated as a Sempron 3000+. So, would
 > you buy a Sempron?

Probably not, but I have to wonder where you're getting a Barton 2600+
for $62. Given a month or two, the Semprons will trickle down to
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:32:31 -0600, Lachoneus wrote:

 >
  >> The cheapest Sempron I found was a 2300+ for $59. For $62 you can get a
  >> 2600+ Athlon XP Barton core that is faster than all the Semprons. under
  >> the Sempron rating system, it would be rated as a Sempron 3000+. So, would
  >> you buy a Sempron?
 >
 > Probably not, but I have to wonder where you're getting a Barton 2600+
 > for $62.

Same place I get all my comparisons, pricewatch.com. that includes
shipping too. From their CPU listing.

$62 - Athlon XP 2600 333

 > Given a month or two, the Semprons will trickle down to
 > flybynightcomputers.com and things will equal out a bit.

Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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"TORN" <stardreamer77 RemoveThis @hotmail.com.123> wrote in message
news:41487469$1_1@news.tm.net.my...
 > Hi..
 > just want to know what chipset can support Sempron (Socket A)?? so far i
 > know :
 >
 > KT600/ KT800
 > N-Force 2
 >
 > i need to build a integrated VGA chipset PC.. so an KM400 suppport
 > Sempron??
 >
 > Thanks...
 >
 >
The Semprons are just re-badged Athlon XP Thoroughbred core CPU's so any
board that works with the 333FSB T'bred will work with a Sempron. Without
the proper bios is may be recognised as 'Unknown CPU' but that would be all.
PS.... I agree with Wes, right now, while you can still get them, Athlon
XP's are far better value (compare clock speed not 'PR')

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Hey Wes, do you have any websites with benchmarks of xp vs sempron
cpu's of the same "speed" ? Like an Athlon XP 2600 vs a Sempron 2600?
All I've seen is the Sempron vs Celeron info, and Sempron appears to
destroy the celery handily.

-GV
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:42:33 +0000, GlassVial wrote:

 > Hey Wes, do you have any websites with benchmarks of xp vs sempron
 > cpu's of the same "speed" ? Like an Athlon XP 2600 vs a Sempron 2600?
 > All I've seen is the Sempron vs Celeron info, and Sempron appears to
 > destroy the celery handily.
 >
 > -GV

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2139&p=1" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2139&p=1</a>

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 >http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2139&p=1

Yeah I saw that already, it doesn't really seem to compare
like-for-like, for example they have a 2800 sempron listed but no
athlon 2800 for a side-by-side.

Just thought I'd add I just bought a sempron 2600 and board for under
$100, so I think it's a decent deal. I couldn't have bought a real
athlon xp and board for under $100.

-GV<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit, GlassVial ordered an army of hamsters
to type:

 > Hey Wes, do you have any websites with benchmarks of xp vs sempron
 > cpu's of the same "speed" ? Like an Athlon XP 2600 vs a Sempron 2600?
 > All I've seen is the Sempron vs Celeron info, and Sempron appears to
 > destroy the celery handily.
 >
 > -GV
 >



Stop pestering poor Wes.

Its easy to work out the performance of a cpu, forget the stupid names they
are given for a minute.

Lets take your two choices a 2600+ Sempron and AthlonXP (32 Socket A)

The faster the Bus speed the faster the performance and the faster the
total speed the faster the performance (total speed being multiplier
multiplied by the bus speed)

Sempron 2600+ has a bus speed of 166mhz, not 333mhz as a lot of people say.
there is a reason for the 333 but its irrelevent for the time being.

This Sempron speed is 1.83ghz, thats 1830mhz, 1830/166 = 11 which is the
multiplier but its not important, the other two figures are.

Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) speed is 1.92GHz (1920mhz) but also runs at a bus
speed of 166. Because of the higher total speed of the Athlon it is a
faster cpu.

An Athlon XP 2600+ Throughbred is 2.07ghz but the smaller cache size
hinders performance.

It is also worth noting that Semprons have a debilitating 256k L2 cache
like the Throughbreds and the Bartons have 512k to play with.

If wanted a true 2ghz cpu then another choice is a 2400+ AthlonXP32 but,
its bus speed is 133mhz and because of this it wouldn't be as good
performer as a Sempron 2800+

the 2600+ Sempron however is meant to mean it has a similar performance to
a 2.6Ghz Celeron and a 2600+ AthlonXP is meant to have similer performance
to a 2.6Ghz Pentium4... in practice the performaces maybe different.

All you need is a little information to work out a cpu's performance....
not the stuff a pr department churns out.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit, Kokoro ordered an army of hamsters
to type:

 > In alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit, GlassVial ordered an army of
 > hamsters to type:
 >
  >> Hey Wes, do you have any websites with benchmarks of xp vs sempron
  >> cpu's of the same "speed" ? Like an Athlon XP 2600 vs a Sempron
  >> 2600? All I've seen is the Sempron vs Celeron info, and Sempron
  >> appears to destroy the celery handily.
  >>
  >> -GV
  >>
 >
 >
 >
 > Stop pestering poor Wes.
 >
 > Its easy to work out the performance of a cpu, forget the stupid names
 > they are given for a minute.
 >
 > Lets take your two choices a 2600+ Sempron and AthlonXP (32 Socket A)
 >
 > The faster the Bus speed the faster the performance and the faster the
 > total speed the faster the performance (total speed being multiplier
 > multiplied by the bus speed)
 >
 > Sempron 2600+ has a bus speed of 166mhz, not 333mhz as a lot of people
 > say. there is a reason for the 333 but its irrelevent for the time
 > being.
 >
 > This Sempron speed is 1.83ghz, thats 1830mhz, 1830/166 = 11 which is
 > the multiplier but its not important, the other two figures are.
 >
 > Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) speed is 1.92GHz (1920mhz) but also runs at a
 > bus speed of 166. Because of the higher total speed of the Athlon it
 > is a faster cpu.
 >
 > An Athlon XP 2600+ Throughbred is 2.07ghz but the smaller cache size
 > hinders performance.
 >
 > It is also worth noting that Semprons have a debilitating 256k L2
 > cache like the Throughbreds and the Bartons have 512k to play with.
 >
 > If wanted a true 2ghz cpu then another choice is a 2400+ AthlonXP32
 > but, its bus speed is 133mhz and because of this it wouldn't be as
 > good performer as a Sempron 2800+
 >
 > the 2600+ Sempron however is meant to mean it has a similar
 > performance to a 2.6Ghz Celeron and a 2600+ AthlonXP is meant to have
 > similer performance to a 2.6Ghz Pentium4... in practice the
 > performaces maybe different.
 >
 > All you need is a little information to work out a cpu's
 > performance.... not the stuff a pr department churns out.
 >



Does anyone else think there should be a website with information like this
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