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Since: Jul 02, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:58 am
Post subject: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds
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I have a KT-400 DUB that has recently started locking up when playing
audio. It exhibits this behavior in Win98SE, Win2k and several different
Linux kernels, so it is obviously hardware related.
The weird part about this is that it just started about two months ago. I
am overclocking, but I have eliminated the processor and memory as the
culprits because I can stop the lockups by disabling the audio device in
the BIOS. It also still happens when I run the processor and memory at
defaults. This thing is extremely stable with the sound disabled.
I'm thinking that this may have to do with pci latency, but I am not sure.
Is anybody else expereincing this kind of problem?
KT-400 DUB
AMD AthlonXP 1700+ running at 2GHz (166x12)
512MB Crucial DDR (running at 166MHz)
Display1 = Gainward GeForce3 ti200 AGP w/ 64MB
Display2 = VooDoo3 PCI w/ 16MB
Onboard C-Media 8738
Onboard VIA Rhine II nic
USR Performance Pro Modem
Leadtek Winfast 2000XP TV/Video capture card
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:34 pm
Post subject: Re: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Have you removed the overclocking to see if this affects your lockups -
audio enabled?
You may find that the overclocking is affecting how your board is handling
devices (IRQ sharing).
In your BIOS try optimal settings. Also make sure your BIOS is setting IRQ
not the Operating System.
Once you have it isolated to the cause, you may overclock but perhaps a
little less.
Hope this helps,
Alan
"CyberCFO" <cybercfo.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMgkmweb.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.10.02.04.58.42.512502@NOSPAMgkmweb.com...
> I have a KT-400 DUB that has recently started locking up when playing
> audio. It exhibits this behavior in Win98SE, Win2k and several different
> Linux kernels, so it is obviously hardware related.
>
> The weird part about this is that it just started about two months ago. I
> am overclocking, but I have eliminated the processor and memory as the
> culprits because I can stop the lockups by disabling the audio device in
> the BIOS. It also still happens when I run the processor and memory at
> defaults. This thing is extremely stable with the sound disabled.
>
> I'm thinking that this may have to do with pci latency, but I am not sure.
> Is anybody else expereincing this kind of problem?
>
> KT-400 DUB
> AMD AthlonXP 1700+ running at 2GHz (166x12)
> 512MB Crucial DDR (running at 166MHz)
> Display1 = Gainward GeForce3 ti200 AGP w/ 64MB
> Display2 = VooDoo3 PCI w/ 16MB
> Onboard C-Media 8738
> Onboard VIA Rhine II nic
> USR Performance Pro Modem
> Leadtek Winfast 2000XP TV/Video capture card
> --
> /g
>
> "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside
> a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:34 pm
Post subject: Re: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Very likely to be latency related. Go to "VIA Arena" and download latest
version of the latency patch. This has been problematic in the past.
(search for other threads on this subject about 6 months ago)
Alternatively, you could eliminate the onboard sound and go to a good sound
blaster or equiv. card (my solution).
"Alan" <NoMail RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LiSeb.188088$Lnr1.124584@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> Have you removed the overclocking to see if this affects your lockups -
> audio enabled?
> You may find that the overclocking is affecting how your board is handling
> devices (IRQ sharing).
>
> In your BIOS try optimal settings. Also make sure your BIOS is setting
IRQ
> not the Operating System.
>
> Once you have it isolated to the cause, you may overclock but perhaps a
> little less.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Alan
>
> "CyberCFO" <cybercfo RemoveThis @NOSPAMgkmweb.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.10.02.04.58.42.512502@NOSPAMgkmweb.com...
> > I have a KT-400 DUB that has recently started locking up when playing
> > audio. It exhibits this behavior in Win98SE, Win2k and several
different
> > Linux kernels, so it is obviously hardware related.
> >
> > The weird part about this is that it just started about two months ago.
I
> > am overclocking, but I have eliminated the processor and memory as the
> > culprits because I can stop the lockups by disabling the audio device in
> > the BIOS. It also still happens when I run the processor and memory at
> > defaults. This thing is extremely stable with the sound disabled.
> >
> > I'm thinking that this may have to do with pci latency, but I am not
sure.
> > Is anybody else expereincing this kind of problem?
> >
> > KT-400 DUB
> > AMD AthlonXP 1700+ running at 2GHz (166x12)
> > 512MB Crucial DDR (running at 166MHz)
> > Display1 = Gainward GeForce3 ti200 AGP w/ 64MB
> > Display2 = VooDoo3 PCI w/ 16MB
> > Onboard C-Media 8738
> > Onboard VIA Rhine II nic
> > USR Performance Pro Modem
> > Leadtek Winfast 2000XP TV/Video capture card
> > --
> > /g
> >
> > "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside
> > a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
> >
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:02 pm
Post subject: Re: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:34:35 +0000, Alan wrote:
> Have you removed the overclocking to see if this affects your lockups -
> audio enabled?
> You may find that the overclocking is affecting how your board is handling
> devices (IRQ sharing).
Yes, I have clocked it to defaults with the same symptoms. I have also
tried shuffling my PCI cards.
>
> In your BIOS try optimal settings. Also make sure your BIOS is setting IRQ
> not the Operating System.
>
Yes, I am set to non-PnP OS.
The strange thing to me is that it is occurring in three different OS's
and all when sound is playing. If I disable the onboard sound, the thing
is like a rock. That's why I am thinking it is pci latency related.
> Once you have it isolated to the cause, you may overclock but perhaps a
> little less.
>
Aaaawwww, that's no fun! 
> Hope this helps,
>
> Alan
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> "CyberCFO" <cybercfo.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgkmweb.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.10.02.04.58.42.512502@NOSPAMgkmweb.com...
>> I have a KT-400 DUB that has recently started locking up when playing
>> audio. It exhibits this behavior in Win98SE, Win2k and several different
>> Linux kernels, so it is obviously hardware related.
>>
>> The weird part about this is that it just started about two months ago. I
>> am overclocking, but I have eliminated the processor and memory as the
>> culprits because I can stop the lockups by disabling the audio device in
>> the BIOS. It also still happens when I run the processor and memory at
>> defaults. This thing is extremely stable with the sound disabled.
>>
>> I'm thinking that this may have to do with pci latency, but I am not sure.
>> Is anybody else expereincing this kind of problem?
>>
>> KT-400 DUB
>> AMD AthlonXP 1700+ running at 2GHz (166x12)
>> 512MB Crucial DDR (running at 166MHz)
>> Display1 = Gainward GeForce3 ti200 AGP w/ 64MB
>> Display2 = VooDoo3 PCI w/ 16MB
>> Onboard C-Media 8738
>> Onboard VIA Rhine II nic
>> USR Performance Pro Modem
>> Leadtek Winfast 2000XP TV/Video capture card
>> --
>> /g
>>
>> "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside
>> a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
>>
--
/g
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:32 pm
Post subject: Re: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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few questions > you install the latest chipset drivers from VIA ?
did you use the PCI AGP divisor so those buses are not overclocked ?
have you tried the sound with the CPU etc not overclocked ? just because
you disable it in the BIOS doesn't mean its fixed, thetas analogous to
using morphine on a patient that has appendicitis
I have the same board, used the c media drivers from soyo, works
fine and have the same fsb
CyberCFO wrote:
>I have a KT-400 DUB that has recently started locking up when playing
>audio. It exhibits this behavior in Win98SE, Win2k and several different
>Linux kernels, so it is obviously hardware related.
>
>The weird part about this is that it just started about two months ago. I
>am overclocking, but I have eliminated the processor and memory as the
>culprits because I can stop the lockups by disabling the audio device in
>the BIOS. It also still happens when I run the processor and memory at
>defaults. This thing is extremely stable with the sound disabled.
>
>I'm thinking that this may have to do with pci latency, but I am not sure.
> Is anybody else expereincing this kind of problem?
>
>KT-400 DUB
>AMD AthlonXP 1700+ running at 2GHz (166x12)
>512MB Crucial DDR (running at 166MHz)
>Display1 = Gainward GeForce3 ti200 AGP w/ 64MB
>Display2 = VooDoo3 PCI w/ 16MB
>Onboard C-Media 8738
>Onboard VIA Rhine II nic
>USR Performance Pro Modem
>Leadtek Winfast 2000XP TV/Video capture card
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:31 pm
Post subject: Re: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:32:30 -0400, farmuse wrote:
> few questions > you install the latest chipset drivers from VIA ?
Yes, in Windows. Obviously not necessary in Linux
> did you use the PCI AGP divisor so those buses are not overclocked ?
Yes. PCI divisor is /5 so pci bus is running at spec 166/5=33
> have you tried the sound with the CPU etc not overclocked ? just because
Yes, still locks up
> you disable it in the BIOS doesn't mean its fixed, thetas analogous to
> using morphine on a patient that has appendicitis
>
When I disable the sound chip in the BIOS, I get no sound. I aso get no
lockups.
> I have the same board, used the c media drivers from soyo, works
> fine and have the same fsb
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>
Could be some of the other periphs I have as well as my dual-head setup.
I have to continue the experimatation.
> CyberCFO wrote:
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>>I have a KT-400 DUB that has recently started locking up when playing
>>audio. It exhibits this behavior in Win98SE, Win2k and several different
>>Linux kernels, so it is obviously hardware related.
>>
>>The weird part about this is that it just started about two months ago. I
>>am overclocking, but I have eliminated the processor and memory as the
>>culprits because I can stop the lockups by disabling the audio device in
>>the BIOS. It also still happens when I run the processor and memory at
>>defaults. This thing is extremely stable with the sound disabled.
>>
>>I'm thinking that this may have to do with pci latency, but I am not sure.
>> Is anybody else expereincing this kind of problem?
>>
>>KT-400 DUB
>>AMD AthlonXP 1700+ running at 2GHz (166x12)
>>512MB Crucial DDR (running at 166MHz)
>>Display1 = Gainward GeForce3 ti200 AGP w/ 64MB
>>Display2 = VooDoo3 PCI w/ 16MB
>>Onboard C-Media 8738
>>Onboard VIA Rhine II nic
>>USR Performance Pro Modem
>>Leadtek Winfast 2000XP TV/Video capture card
>>
>>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:44 pm
Post subject: Re: KT-400 Locking up when playing sounds [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"CyberCFO" <cybercfo.RemoveThis@NOSPAMgkmweb.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:32:30 -0400, farmuse wrote:
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> > few questions > you install the latest chipset drivers from
VIA ?
>
> Yes, in Windows. Obviously not necessary in Linux
>
> > did you use the PCI AGP divisor so those buses are not overclocked
?
>
> Yes. PCI divisor is /5 so pci bus is running at spec 166/5=33
>
> > have you tried the sound with the CPU etc not overclocked ? just
because
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> Yes, still locks up
>
> > you disable it in the BIOS doesn't mean its fixed, thetas analogous
to
> > using morphine on a patient that has appendicitis
> >
> When I disable the sound chip in the BIOS, I get no sound. I aso get
no
> lockups.
Hello CyberCFO!
I have a KT600 PE and the same Proplem with AMD XP1900+.
Only lockups when Sound is enabled.
Now i have overclocked the PCI bus running at 35Mhz and it looks still
better, not 100% solved but better.
Could you test this, too?
Regards
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:44 pm
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As I posted a few times before, my KT400 DUP
would lock up under XP when on-board sound
activity coincided with on-board LAN activity.
It tended to happen when both where getting
somewhat substantial. I got lucky on a couple
of observations and was able to draw the
hypothesis...it isn't always totally obvious.
Updated BIOS (a few months back) and VIA
stuff didn't help. Got all the latest drivers,
no good.
So I went out, got a simple LAN card (you can
often find them on sale for between $0.00 and
$5.00 after rebate from Staples) and installed
it, disabling the on-board LAN. My card's a
Linksys.
Voila! No more lockups.
I decided life was too short to look into it
any further.
Might be worth a try in your case.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:40 am
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:26:37 -0400, Erik the Bold wrote:
> Very likely to be latency related. Go to "VIA Arena" and download latest
> version of the latency patch. This has been problematic in the past.
> (search for other threads on this subject about 6 months ago)
> Alternatively, you could eliminate the onboard sound and go to a good sound
> blaster or equiv. card (my solution).
Here are the results of some experimentation:
I disabled the VooDoo3 PCI card that I used for a dual head setup in my
Linux install and the lockups seem to have gone away. I really tried to
do a lot of heavy i/o stuff while I played some music and it never locked
up.
Next step I think is to disable it in WIndows and see if I get the same
results.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:19 am
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I have a Dragon Ultra KT333 PE. I had no problems until I added a
Leadtek TV capture card. System started to lock up during games and
other sound playing events. I think it is due to WIndows IRQ
allocation. Almost everything is sharing IRQ 10 on my Win2k. However,
I had same lockups in Linux too. I tried a myriad of things to resolve
this.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:07 am
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:19:36 -0700, Grad wrote:
> I have a Dragon Ultra KT333 PE. I had no problems until I added a
> Leadtek TV capture card. System started to lock up during games and
> other sound playing events. I think it is due to WIndows IRQ
> allocation. Almost everything is sharing IRQ 10 on my Win2k. However,
> I had same lockups in Linux too. I tried a myriad of things to resolve
> this.
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> Right now I just remove TV card to play games:)
Interesting. I have a Leadtek 2000XP TV card also on my KT-400 DUB. I'll have
to play around with that.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:10 am
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:19:36 -0700, Grad wrote:
> I have a Dragon Ultra KT333 PE. I had no problems until I added a
> Leadtek TV capture card. System started to lock up during games and
> other sound playing events. I think it is due to WIndows IRQ
> allocation. Almost everything is sharing IRQ 10 on my Win2k. However,
> I had same lockups in Linux too. I tried a myriad of things to resolve
> this.
>
> Right now I just remove TV card to play games:)
I have a Leadtek 2000XP also and now that you mention it, it is sharing
IRQ12 with the C-Media device. I'll have to play around a bit, although
since I have disabled my VooDoo3 (Irq 10) for my second monitor, the
machine has been stable.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:32 pm
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I was playing Chaser and ET today. TV capture card was not in the box,
but the system locked up in both games two times. I hate this soyo -
c-media combo. Like many people posted before, easiest solution is to
buy a real soundcard. Soyo blames this problem on IRQ sharing and wont
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:27 pm
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yeah I suspected that when I saw your specs, but in theory it should
work ~ definitely a IRQ issue
CyberCFO wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:19:36 -0700, Grad wrote:
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>>I have a Dragon Ultra KT333 PE. I had no problems until I added a
>>Leadtek TV capture card. System started to lock up during games and
>>other sound playing events. I think it is due to WIndows IRQ
>>allocation. Almost everything is sharing IRQ 10 on my Win2k. However,
>>I had same lockups in Linux too. I tried a myriad of things to resolve
>>this.
>>
>>Right now I just remove TV card to play games:)
>>
>>
>
>I have a Leadtek 2000XP also and now that you mention it, it is sharing
>IRQ12 with the C-Media device. I'll have to play around a bit, although
>since I have disabled my VooDoo3 (Irq 10) for my second monitor, the
>machine has been stable.
>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:58 pm
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On 8 Oct 2003 13:32:44 -0700, os-jonaitisp RemoveThis @mindspring.com (Grad)
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>I was playing Chaser and ET today. TV capture card was not in the box,
>but the system locked up in both games two times. I hate this soyo -
>c-media combo. Like many people posted before, easiest solution is to
>buy a real soundcard. Soyo blames this problem on IRQ sharing and wont
>provide any fix.
You'll find that for gaming--aside from any help with lockup
issues--that a dedicated soundcard will increase your frame-rates.
Onboard sound like the C-Media (and others--the NForce2 has an option
for sound wherein this isn't true) uses a lot of cpu that is done by
onboard processors on a dedicated card.
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