Keyboard is locked

kony <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in
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 > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:19:33 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.DeleteThis@dogpatch.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  >>I have an old Zenith Data Systems Z-Station-GT
  >>Motherboard is AA-655257-305
  >>When booting, I get "Keyboard is detected", "mouse is detected" but
  >>shortly thereafter I get "Keyboard Is Locked... Unlock It". The key is
  >>still with the machine, but turning it either way doesn't make this go
  >>away. I tried disconnecting the keylock from the motherboard... no
  >>help. Then I tried putting a jumper on the two pins... that didn't
  >>help either. Also tried a couple of other known working keyboards.
  >>Do I consider the motherboard as "shot" or might there be a way to
  >>remedy this?
 >
 > Do you still get that message when there is no keyboard connected?
 > If so, perhaps there's a blown keyboard fuse? If that sounds
 > possible, do a continuity check on the fuse.
Never thought of that, so I tried it. Of course there's no keyboard
detected, but it doesn't bring up the locked keyboard message and
actually went ahead to boot into Windows. When in Windows, it popped up
the "no mouse detected" Window, although the mouse was connected.

 > I know nothing of the bios on those, perhaps there's a setting or it
 > could be reset to defaults?
I can't get into BIOS, because the keyboard is locked....
Choices after the error message are F1 for Setup or esc to continue.
Neither does anything.

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:48:24 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.RemoveThis@dogpatch.com>
wrote:


  >> Do you still get that message when there is no keyboard connected?
  >> If so, perhaps there's a blown keyboard fuse? If that sounds
  >> possible, do a continuity check on the fuse.
 > Never thought of that, so I tried it. Of course there's no keyboard
 >detected, but it doesn't bring up the locked keyboard message and
 >actually went ahead to boot into Windows. When in Windows, it popped up
 >the "no mouse detected" Window, although the mouse was connected.
 >
  >> I know nothing of the bios on those, perhaps there's a setting or it
  >> could be reset to defaults?
 > I can't get into BIOS, because the keyboard is locked....
 > Choices after the error message are F1 for Setup or esc to continue.
 > Neither does anything.

What's the history of the system? Was it working previously with no
configuration or hardware, etc, changes then suddenly one day this error
message?

If not, is it possible you've accidentally connected mouse to keyboard
port and vice-versa?

Resetting the board to defaults (clear CMOS) could be accomplished with a
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kony wrote:
 > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:48:24 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk RemoveThis @dogpatch.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
   >>> Do you still get that message when there is no keyboard connected?
   >>> If so, perhaps there's a blown keyboard fuse? If that sounds
   >>> possible, do a continuity check on the fuse.
  >> Never thought of that, so I tried it. Of course there's no
  >> keyboard detected, but it doesn't bring up the locked keyboard
  >> message and actually went ahead to boot into Windows. When in
  >> Windows, it popped up the "no mouse detected" Window, although the
  >> mouse was connected.
  >>
   >>> I know nothing of the bios on those, perhaps there's a setting or it
   >>> could be reset to defaults?
  >> I can't get into BIOS, because the keyboard is locked....
  >> Choices after the error message are F1 for Setup or esc to
  >> continue. Neither does anything.
 >
 > What's the history of the system? Was it working previously with no
 > configuration or hardware, etc, changes then suddenly one day this
 > error message?
 >
 > If not, is it possible you've accidentally connected mouse to keyboard
 > port and vice-versa?
 >
 > Resetting the board to defaults (clear CMOS) could be accomplished
 > with a motherboard jumper or removing the battery.

When I forgot to attach the keyboard to my Dell (I know) I was greeted
with: -

"keyboard not detected/attached - press F1 to continue or F2 t0 enter setup"

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:19:33 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.RemoveThis@dogpatch.com> wrote:

 >I have an old Zenith Data Systems Z-Station-GT
 >Motherboard is AA-655257-305
 >When booting, I get "Keyboard is detected", "mouse is detected" but shortly
 >thereafter I get "Keyboard Is Locked... Unlock It". The key is still with
 >the machine, but turning it either way doesn't make this go away. I tried
 >disconnecting the keylock from the motherboard... no help. Then I tried
 >putting a jumper on the two pins... that didn't help either.
 >Also tried a couple of other known working keyboards.
 >Do I consider the motherboard as "shot" or might there be a way to remedy
 >this?

Is this an old 8088 system? Some of them used the older XT type keyboards.
Is this the original keyboard? If not, you might need to find an olde XT
keyboard, or an old one with the XT/AT switch. Since Zenith hasn't made
computers since the 286 days, that might be your problem

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JT <datacare@www> wrote in
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 > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:19:33 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk DeleteThis @dogpatch.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  >>I have an old Zenith Data Systems Z-Station-GT
  >>Motherboard is AA-655257-305
  >>When booting, I get "Keyboard is detected", "mouse is detected" but
  >>shortly thereafter I get "Keyboard Is Locked... Unlock It". The key is
  >>still with the machine, but turning it either way doesn't make this go
  >>away. I tried disconnecting the keylock from the motherboard... no
  >>help. Then I tried putting a jumper on the two pins... that didn't
  >>help either. Also tried a couple of other known working keyboards.
  >>Do I consider the motherboard as "shot" or might there be a way to
  >>remedy this?
 >
 > Is this an old 8088 system? Some of them used the older XT type
 > keyboards. Is this the original keyboard? If not, you might need to
 > find an olde XT keyboard, or an old one with the XT/AT switch. Since
 > Zenith hasn't made computers since the 286 days, that might be your
 > problem

It's a Pentium 100. I fixed it up a few months back for a neighbor for
use on the internet. Put in a Zoom 56 baud modem... it worked really good
for a Pentium 100 (has Windows 95). Then one day he turned it on and there
was the error message.
The keyboard and mouse are PS/2... side by side. I do have one of those
old keyboards with the switch on it but don't have an adapter to get it
down to size. But his keyboard works fine on one of my computers. I can't
find a motherboard manual. The motherboard is jumperless. Battery is
removeable. It's been keeping time alright, so the battery is probably OK.
Screen says AMIBIOS (C)1992 American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS Version 1.00.07.CV2
There's also an option to push F1 right at the very first, but that
doesn't work either.


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kony <spam.TakeThisOut@spam.com> wrote in news:pcen40t6vpjsrjea8vmvh5lc6uueb4eeg2@
4ax.com:

 > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:48:24 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.TakeThisOut@dogpatch.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
   >>> Do you still get that message when there is no keyboard connected?
   >>> If so, perhaps there's a blown keyboard fuse? If that sounds
   >>> possible, do a continuity check on the fuse.
  >> Never thought of that, so I tried it. Of course there's no keyboard
  >>detected, but it doesn't bring up the locked keyboard message and
  >>actually went ahead to boot into Windows. When in Windows, it popped up
  >>the "no mouse detected" Window, although the mouse was connected.
  >>
   >>> I know nothing of the bios on those, perhaps there's a setting or it
   >>> could be reset to defaults?
  >> I can't get into BIOS, because the keyboard is locked....
  >> Choices after the error message are F1 for Setup or esc to
continue.
  >> Neither does anything.
 >
 > What's the history of the system? Was it working previously with no
 > configuration or hardware, etc, changes then suddenly one day this
 > error message?
Yep.

 > If not, is it possible you've accidentally connected mouse to keyboard
 > port and vice-versa?
Nope

 > Resetting the board to defaults (clear CMOS) could be accomplished with
 > a motherboard jumper or removing the battery.
I just tried that... no help.



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kony <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in
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 > On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:19:33 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.DeleteThis@dogpatch.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  >>I have an old Zenith Data Systems Z-Station-GT
  >>Motherboard is AA-655257-305
  >>When booting, I get "Keyboard is detected", "mouse is detected" but
  >>shortly thereafter I get "Keyboard Is Locked... Unlock It". The key is
  >>still with the machine, but turning it either way doesn't make this go
  >>away. I tried disconnecting the keylock from the motherboard... no
  >>help. Then I tried putting a jumper on the two pins... that didn't
  >>help either. Also tried a couple of other known working keyboards.
  >>Do I consider the motherboard as "shot" or might there be a way to
  >>remedy this?
 >
 > Do you still get that message when there is no keyboard connected?
 > If so, perhaps there's a blown keyboard fuse? If that sounds
 > possible, do a continuity check on the fuse.

You may be on to something. Does this image at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg</a> look anything like a fuse? I suspect it
may be since I see the word "amp" next to it. And it IS right behind the
keyboard connector. About the only way I could check it is to take the
motherboard out and check it from underneath. If it checks bad, about my
only choice would be to solder something across it on the bottom. Doubt
like hell I could find a fuse like that anywhere!
That is if it *is* a fuse....

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"Lil' Abner" <blvstk DeleteThis @dogpatch.com> wrote in
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 > kony <spam DeleteThis @spam.com> wrote in
 > news:5n5n40tjbds1biu7rhbenf8v89p994e0dm@4ax.com:
 >
  >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:19:33 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk DeleteThis @dogpatch.com>
  >> wrote:
  >>
   >>>I have an old Zenith Data Systems Z-Station-GT
   >>>Motherboard is AA-655257-305
   >>>When booting, I get "Keyboard is detected", "mouse is detected" but
   >>>shortly thereafter I get "Keyboard Is Locked... Unlock It". The key
   >>>is still with the machine, but turning it either way doesn't make
   >>>this go away. I tried disconnecting the keylock from the
   >>>motherboard... no help. Then I tried putting a jumper on the two
   >>>pins... that didn't help either. Also tried a couple of other known
   >>>working keyboards. Do I consider the motherboard as "shot" or might
   >>>there be a way to remedy this?
  >>
  >> Do you still get that message when there is no keyboard connected?
  >> If so, perhaps there's a blown keyboard fuse? If that sounds
  >> possible, do a continuity check on the fuse.
 >
 > You may be on to something. Does this image at
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg</a> look anything like a fuse? I suspect it
 > may be since I see the word "amp" next to it. And it IS right behind
 > the keyboard connector. About the only way I could check it is to take
 > the motherboard out and check it from underneath. If it checks bad,
 > about my only choice would be to solder something across it on the
 > bottom. Doubt like hell I could find a fuse like that anywhere!
 > That is if it *is* a fuse....
 >
Well, so much for that. I took the board out. Whatever it is, there's
continuity there...
Should I put it back together or just garbage can it now?


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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 05:53:29 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.TakeThisOut@dogpatch.com>
wrote:


  >> You may be on to something. Does this image at
  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg</a> look anything like a fuse? I suspect it
  >> may be since I see the word "amp" next to it. And it IS right behind
  >> the keyboard connector. About the only way I could check it is to take
  >> the motherboard out and check it from underneath. If it checks bad,
  >> about my only choice would be to solder something across it on the
  >> bottom. Doubt like hell I could find a fuse like that anywhere!
  >> That is if it *is* a fuse....
  >>
 > Well, so much for that. I took the board out. Whatever it is, there's
 >continuity there...
 > Should I put it back together or just garbage can it now?


That is a fuse. There is no connection to it from the back of the board
AFAIK, it is a purely surface mounted component. Continuity would be
between the solder pads on each end of it... needle probes would be much
easier to use. The alternative would be to take the port pinout (easily
found via Google), note the 5V and ground pins, then using the needle
probes (or from the backside of the board using process of elimination)
measure to see if 5V is present.

Not much point in putting it back together if it doesn't work... you might
be able to ask a local mom-n-pop PC shop to hold the next old pentium box
they come across instead of throwing it away.

If you think you can desolder the fuse without damaging the pads or
surrounding components then you might try that, or take a thin piece of
wire, for example enameled magnet wire (enamel burnt off) that you've
barely pre-tinned with solder, and just sort of "drape" it over the fuse
and tack it on each end with the iron.

Or the agressive method, if you have locking forcepts then lock onto the
fuse, set the iron right in the middle and just keep heating it up till
both ends have melted free... at this point you have nothing to lose.

I have no idea how much this board is worth to you though, old pentium
boards are a dime-a-dozen if anyone has held onto them, instead of hitting
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kony <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in
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 > On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 05:53:29 GMT, "Lil' Abner" <blvstk.DeleteThis@dogpatch.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
   >>> You may be on to something. Does this image at
   >>> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.mewnlite.com/mb.jpg</a> look anything like a fuse? I suspect
   >>> it may be since I see the word "amp" next to it. And it IS right
   >>> behind the keyboard connector. About the only way I could check it
   >>> is to take the motherboard out and check it from underneath. If it
   >>> checks bad, about my only choice would be to solder something across
   >>> it on the bottom. Doubt like hell I could find a fuse like that
   >>> anywhere!
   >>> That is if it *is* a fuse....
   >>>
  >> Well, so much for that. I took the board out. Whatever it is,
  >> there's
  >>continuity there...
  >> Should I put it back together or just garbage can it now?
 >
 >
 > That is a fuse. There is no connection to it from the back of the
 > board AFAIK, it is a purely surface mounted component. Continuity
 > would be between the solder pads on each end of it... needle probes
 > would be much easier to use. The alternative would be to take the
 > port pinout (easily found via Google), note the 5V and ground pins,
 > then using the needle probes (or from the backside of the board using
 > process of elimination) measure to see if 5V is present.
 >
 > Not much point in putting it back together if it doesn't work... you
 > might be able to ask a local mom-n-pop PC shop to hold the next old
 > pentium box they come across instead of throwing it away.
 >
 > If you think you can desolder the fuse without damaging the pads or
 > surrounding components then you might try that, or take a thin piece
 > of wire, for example enameled magnet wire (enamel burnt off) that
 > you've barely pre-tinned with solder, and just sort of "drape" it over
 > the fuse and tack it on each end with the iron.
 >
 > Or the agressive method, if you have locking forcepts then lock onto
 > the fuse, set the iron right in the middle and just keep heating it up
 > till both ends have melted free... at this point you have nothing to
 > lose.
 >
 > I have no idea how much this board is worth to you though, old pentium
 > boards are a dime-a-dozen if anyone has held onto them, instead of
 > hitting the trash even when they still worked.
This thread is getting split a bit, but as I told someone else, I have
the board out and the "thing" has continuity. Actually, I *am* the mom
and pop computer shop around here.... minus the mom. I emptied out most
of my old junk a few months back, although I'm sure I didn't have a board
like this one. It's one of those with one slot with a card that has slots
running sideways on it... a "slimline" model. It's just a free gratis
project for a handicapped friend. I'm going to scrap this one and fix up
another old "clunker" (a 233) for him. He'll have to rearrange his
furniture... it's a full size tower and weighs a ton....
I appreciate all the help and suggestions you people have given me. I
see I have found a place to go if I get in a tight again!

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