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Since: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:01 pm
Post subject: Motherboard damage Archived from groups: alt>comp>hardware>homebuilt (more info?)
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I've also posted this to alt.comp.hardware so apologizes to those reading
both groups.
I'm hoping someone would be knowledgeable enough to help me here.
Motherboard is Asus P5LD2 Deluxe and I have two sticks of OCZ2P10001GEE
which I had been running dual channel at 3-4-3-11 and around 950 FSB.
I was having some random crashes over the past couple of days. Looked
inside and turns out the waterblock on the Northbridge had popped off, with
the clamp ripping out one of the looped fasteners on the motherboard it was
attached to. Put the waterblock back but still no dice. After using
memtest, it turns out that the second DDR memory channel (pair of slots) is
gone--the same RAM module would work in the A slots one but not the B
slots--errors in the second, with error rate seeming to be somewhat
proportional to the FSB frequency I set in the BIOS.
Looked under the waterblock again and it looks like there's a missing
surface mount ceramic capacitor. I think I may have crushed it while
reinstalling the waterblock. So either from overheating or breaking the
cap, some damage appears to have occurred and now I can only use one of my
1 GB sticks D: It's sure strange though that the second channel slots work
at all; I wouldn't have expected a partial failure with error rates
depending on the FSB...
My question is, can I just replace the cap I think I crushed with a random
one, or maybe unsolder one of the others around it and measure its
capacitance with my LCR meter and use that, in the hope of restoring
function? Or what if I didn't crush the cap and there's actually not
supposed to be one there? I'm not sure how to deal with this.
I'm also looking for suggestions for the best forums to ask this. >> Stay informed about: Motherboard damage |
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Since: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 109
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2007-09-06, Prune <bobysgotguns_.DeleteThis@_yahoo_._com> wrote:
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> My question is, can I just replace the cap I think I crushed with a random
> one, or maybe unsolder one of the others around it and measure its
> capacitance with my LCR meter and use that, in the hope of restoring
> function? Or what if I didn't crush the cap and there's actually not
> supposed to be one there? I'm not sure how to deal with this.
Not familiar with your board so I'm only going to address this
point in particular: if there was a cap there you'd be able to tell
by looking at the pads. If they're clean, smooth and shiny there
was nothing there to begin with. If something was ripped off and
the pads themselves are still in place, you'd have a rough finish
there. It may not look rough to the naked eye but would still
manifest itself as appearing dull instead of shiny, often a greyish
or whitish colour. It would be a similar appearance to a dry
soldered joint if you know what one of those looks like. Compare
it to the appearence of other pads, both with components soldered
on to them, and pads left blank if you are unsure.
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Andrew Smallshaw
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Since: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Andrew Smallshaw <andrews.RemoveThis@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in
news:slrnfe0mu7.a3i.andrews@sdf.lonestar.org:
> Not familiar with your board so I'm only going to address this
> point in particular: if there was a cap there you'd be able to tell
> by looking at the pads. If they're clean, smooth and shiny there
> was nothing there to begin with. If something was ripped off and
> the pads themselves are still in place, you'd have a rough finish
> there. It may not look rough to the naked eye but would still
> manifest itself as appearing dull instead of shiny, often a greyish
> or whitish colour. It would be a similar appearance to a dry
> soldered joint if you know what one of those looks like. Compare
> it to the appearence of other pads, both with components soldered
> on to them, and pads left blank if you are unsure.
>
One looks clean but the other doesn't. I can't tell if it's just scratched
and dirty with some of the thermal grease though.
I'm assuming if I try a cap in there and doesn't work, I can just pull it
out and no irreversible damage would have occured by trying a cap
I'm a bit worried about fully breaking things, as I don't have any other
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Since: Jan 03, 2004 Posts: 7693
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:22 am
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:32:49 GMT, Prune
<bobysgotguns_ RemoveThis @_yahoo_._com> wrote:
>Andrew Smallshaw <andrews RemoveThis @sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in
>news:slrnfe0mu7.a3i.andrews@sdf.lonestar.org:
>> Not familiar with your board so I'm only going to address this
>> point in particular: if there was a cap there you'd be able to tell
>> by looking at the pads. If they're clean, smooth and shiny there
>> was nothing there to begin with. If something was ripped off and
>> the pads themselves are still in place, you'd have a rough finish
>> there. It may not look rough to the naked eye but would still
>> manifest itself as appearing dull instead of shiny, often a greyish
>> or whitish colour. It would be a similar appearance to a dry
>> soldered joint if you know what one of those looks like. Compare
>> it to the appearence of other pads, both with components soldered
>> on to them, and pads left blank if you are unsure.
>>
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>One looks clean but the other doesn't. I can't tell if it's just scratched
>and dirty with some of the thermal grease though.
Take a cotton swap with some alcohol on it and gently clean
the area then take another look at it.
>I'm assuming if I try a cap in there and doesn't work, I can just pull it
>out and no irreversible damage would have occured by trying a cap
>I'm a bit worried about fully breaking things, as I don't have any other
>computer
It certainly is a risk to be soldering on the only system,
that you need to use, but it is already a bit broken not
running at the right speed anymore. We can't decide for
you, but if you feel you are good at soldering such small
parts then give it a try.
Please cross-post your messages instead of multi-posting to
separate groups, thank you. >> Stay informed about: Motherboard damage |
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Since: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 257
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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How did it pop off ?
Sounds weird to me ?
Did you not attach it properly ?
Or is the design bad and doesn't fit properly ?
Or did you somehow manage to knock it off, open case maybe ?
Also how much leakage did you have ?
This would be my main concern when building a pc with water cooling.
What if leaks happen ?
Me have no experience with water cooling and I definetly do not want to get
electrocuted LOL.
Please enlighten me if you can
Bye,
Skybuck. >> Stay informed about: Motherboard damage |
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Since: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:32 am
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I don't know. The tubes carrying the liquid weren't secured, so perhaps
when moving the machine they pulled the waterblock, and that combined with
the very strong tension of the spring was enough force.
"Skybuck Flying" <spam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fbvjnr$97u$1@news5.zwoll1.ov.home.nl:
> How did it pop off ?
>
> Sounds weird to me ?
>
> Did you not attach it properly ?
>
> Or is the design bad and doesn't fit properly ?
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> Or did you somehow manage to knock it off, open case maybe ?
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> Also how much leakage did you have ?
>
> This would be my main concern when building a pc with water cooling.
>
> What if leaks happen ?
>
> Me have no experience with water cooling and I definetly do not want
> to get electrocuted LOL.
>
> Please enlighten me if you can
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck.
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Since: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 257
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:17 am
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Ok,
So interpret this as:
The mentioned PC has some external water cooling block, some people moved
the PC, while doing this they grabbed the water cooling block and that might
have caused the water cooling stuff to come loose etc.
Hmm good to know this.
Bye,
Skybuck.
"Prune" <bobysgotguns_.RemoveThis@_yahoo_._com> wrote in message
news:Xns99A7FA381AC3bobysgotgunsyahoocom@64.59.144.76...
>I don't know. The tubes carrying the liquid weren't secured, so perhaps
> when moving the machine they pulled the waterblock, and that combined with
> the very strong tension of the spring was enough force.
>
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> "Skybuck Flying" <spam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:fbvjnr$97u$1@news5.zwoll1.ov.home.nl:
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>> How did it pop off ?
>>
>> Sounds weird to me ?
>>
>> Did you not attach it properly ?
>>
>> Or is the design bad and doesn't fit properly ?
>>
>> Or did you somehow manage to knock it off, open case maybe ?
>>
>> Also how much leakage did you have ?
>>
>> This would be my main concern when building a pc with water cooling.
>>
>> What if leaks happen ?
>>
>> Me have no experience with water cooling and I definetly do not want
>> to get electrocuted LOL.
>>
>> Please enlighten me if you can
>>
>> Bye,
>> Skybuck.
>>
>>
>>
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Since: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Motherboard damage [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I put both DIMMs in the first channel and that works, so I'm using all 2 GB
now, but it's only single-channel mode. I'm wondering how much performance
I'm actually losing by not being able to use it in dual-channel. >> Stay informed about: Motherboard damage |
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Since: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 257
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:06 pm
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"Prune" <bobysgotguns_ DeleteThis @_yahoo_._com> wrote in message
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>I put both DIMMs in the first channel and that works, so I'm using all 2 GB
> now, but it's only single-channel mode. I'm wondering how much
> performance
> I'm actually losing by not being able to use it in dual-channel.
Good question, I don't know, depends on application.
My guess would be probably double loss for high memory accessess.
Here is a pdf which investigated it:
http://kb.nitix.com/images/8/84/DualVsSingleChannelMemory.pdf
Says:
For high memory access the performance for you is now halfed, which confirms
my gut feeling
For networking only 10% is lost or so.
Bye,
Skybuck. >> Stay informed about: Motherboard damage |
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