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Joe Wolf

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:16 pm
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I have a new NF7-S 2.0 board on the way from newegg, to replace an
Asus A7V600 Via board that I have never been happy with.

Questions:

I already have a Raptor 36GB, I am getting another so I can do RAID 0
on the new board. Does the NF7-S work well with the 10,000 rpm
raptors?

I cannot afford new RAM at this time, so I am stuck with a Mushkin 512
PC-2700 stick, and two Crucial 256MB PC-2100 sticks. Would I be better
off running this board with just the one 512MB Mushkin, or will I be
better off running the two Crucial PC-2100 in dual mode, with or
without the Mushkin in the third slot? The Asus does not do dual
channel, but has worked OK with all three installed.

CPU is an older Barton 2500+, I am hoping to overclock it to 3200+
speeds. I have a noisy all-copper heatsink and many case fans that
cool well. Do you think my rather crappy ram will prevent me from
overclocking the FSB like I want, or it that totally a different
matter? The Asus I have now will overclock the 2500 to 3200+ settings,
but only for about five minutes, then it freezes Wink

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tHatDudeUK

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:41 am
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"Joe Wolf" <joeywolf RemoveThis @invalid.email.com> wrote in message
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 > I have a new NF7-S 2.0 board on the way from newegg, to replace an
 > Asus A7V600 Via board that I have never been happy with.
 >
 > Questions:
 >
 > I already have a Raptor 36GB, I am getting another so I can do RAID 0
 > on the new board. Does the NF7-S work well with the 10,000 rpm
 > raptors?

The SATA implementation is flawed. Wait for MCP-S NF2 chipset to come out.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:35 am
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The SATA now works fine (it did have a corruption problem but it's fixed by
current bios revisions)...There is the (largely theoretical) issue that
because the SATA controller communicates via the pci bus the maximum
throughput speed is limited....however in the real world it's plenty fast.

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 > "Joe Wolf" <joeywolf RemoveThis @invalid.email.com> wrote in message
 > news:ehgo80l3ah7nv834n219sim7djrl7ct8kt@4ax.com...
  > > I have a new NF7-S 2.0 board on the way from newegg, to replace an
  > > Asus A7V600 Via board that I have never been happy with.
  > >
  > > Questions:
  > >
  > > I already have a Raptor 36GB, I am getting another so I can do RAID 0
  > > on the new board. Does the NF7-S work well with the 10,000 rpm
  > > raptors?
 >
 > The SATA implementation is flawed. Wait for MCP-S NF2 chipset to come out.
 >
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tHatDudeUK

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:28 pm
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"BigBadger" <big_badger RemoveThis @NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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 > The SATA now works fine (it did have a corruption problem but it's fixed
by
 > current bios revisions)...There is the (largely theoretical) issue that
 > because the SATA controller communicates via the pci bus the maximum
 > throughput speed is limited....however in the real world it's plenty fast.

133mb/s. The SATA Raid will be about 2X150mb/s, it wouldn't be capable of
maintaining such a speed for long periods and would probably max out at
about 150-200mb/s (if it could). This makes everythign a big problem if you
use add-on PCI cards such as IDE controllers, SATA controllers or TV cards
as these saturate the PCI bus. It's not theoretical it is a slight problem
and the reason I'll be upgrading when Nvidia get the new chipset released.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:37 pm
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"tHatDudeUK" <randomcharacter4spammers.TakeThisOut@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > 133mb/s. The SATA Raid will be about 2X150mb/s, it wouldn't be capable of
 > maintaining such a speed for long periods and would probably max out at
 > about 150-200mb/s (if it could). >

eh, no.
Whilst the SATA controller has a theoretical bandwith max of 150mb/s even 2
Raptors in RAID won't reach that.
They might in burst (but not average throughput) get close to the 133mb/s
limit of the PCI bus that it is on though.
& as you say if one is doing other things that require heavy use of the PCI
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:25 pm
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And just to let you know that your PC2100 will not be fast enough to run a
Barton 2500xp, You'll have to stay with your 1 stick of PC2700 (166fsb) as
the other only runs (133fsb).



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 > "tHatDudeUK" <randomcharacter4spammers RemoveThis @btopenworld.com> wrote in message
 > news:c6iv96$cdmrv$1@ID-158809.news.uni-berlin.de...
  > >
  > > 133mb/s. The SATA Raid will be about 2X150mb/s, it wouldn't be capable
of
  > > maintaining such a speed for long periods and would probably max out at
  > > about 150-200mb/s (if it could). >
 >
 > eh, no.
 > Whilst the SATA controller has a theoretical bandwith max of 150mb/s even
2
 > Raptors in RAID won't reach that.
 > They might in burst (but not average throughput) get close to the 133mb/s
 > limit of the PCI bus that it is on though.
 > & as you say if one is doing other things that require heavy use of the
PCI
 > bus at the same time then you can have a problem..
 >
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BigBadger

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:25 pm
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You can run the FSB and memory clocks out of synch...so you can use the
PC2100, albeit at the cost of slightly reduced performance.

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"doughy2002" <doughnut.TakeThisOut@doughnut.com> wrote in message
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 > And just to let you know that your PC2100 will not be fast enough to run a
 > Barton 2500xp, You'll have to stay with your 1 stick of PC2700 (166fsb)
as
 > the other only runs (133fsb).
 >
 >
 >
 > doughnut
 >
 >
 >
 > "BUFF" <NOSPAM.TakeThisOut@HERE.COM> wrote in message
 > news:iUajc.185$QY.163@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
  > >
  > > "tHatDudeUK" <randomcharacter4spammers.TakeThisOut@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
  > > news:c6iv96$cdmrv$1@ID-158809.news.uni-berlin.de...
   > > >
   > > > 133mb/s. The SATA Raid will be about 2X150mb/s, it wouldn't be capable
 > of
   > > > maintaining such a speed for long periods and would probably max out
at
   > > > about 150-200mb/s (if it could). >
  > >
  > > eh, no.
  > > Whilst the SATA controller has a theoretical bandwith max of 150mb/s
even
 > 2
  > > Raptors in RAID won't reach that.
  > > They might in burst (but not average throughput) get close to the
133mb/s
  > > limit of the PCI bus that it is on though.
  > > & as you say if one is doing other things that require heavy use of the
 > PCI
  > > bus at the same time then you can have a problem..
  > >
  > >
 >
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:37 pm
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"BUFF" <NOSPAM DeleteThis @HERE.COM> wrote in message
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 > "tHatDudeUK" <randomcharacter4spammers DeleteThis @btopenworld.com> wrote in message
 > news:c6iv96$cdmrv$1@ID-158809.news.uni-berlin.de...
  > >
  > > 133mb/s. The SATA Raid will be about 2X150mb/s, it wouldn't be capable
of
  > > maintaining such a speed for long periods and would probably max out at
  > > about 150-200mb/s (if it could). >
 >
 > eh, no.

eh, yes. ThatdudeUK is 100% correct.

 > Whilst the SATA controller has a theoretical bandwith max of 150mb/s even
2
 > Raptors in RAID won't reach that.

Actually, they will. The larger Raptor will do 77MB/s sustained. Which x 2
is more than 150MB/s.

 > They might in burst (but not average throughput) get close to the 133mb/s
 > limit of the PCI bus that it is on though.

A twin Raptor raid0 setup will burst at around 200MB/s on a good Intel ICH5R
setup. Which makes the 133MB/s through PCI seem rather sad. Not that
133MB/s is available... you can't get more than around 117MB/s through it in
practice. The 200MB/s is only burst, admittedly. But remember the Raptors
have 8MB of cache each. That's 16MB bursting at 200MB/s. That's quite a
lot actually.

 > & as you say if one is doing other things that require heavy use of the
PCI
 > bus at the same time then you can have a problem..

Yup.

But enough of all the theory. Take a look at the benchies. No-one is
getting more than 115MB/s sustained reads or writes through PCI with even
the very best performing PCI based raid controllers and fastest disk. But
on Intel ICH5R, I have seen 140MB/s plus. Enough said.

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