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Doesnt Matter

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:08 pm
Post subject: Newbie - Keyboard or Unicode problem?
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Greetings
I would like my Polish wife to translate some of my web pages
into Polish. If we get a Slavonic layout keyboard from Poland
and plug it in here (UK) provided we change the windows
keyboard paramaters and set the char-set code to UTF - 8
wil what she types into a text editor using the slavonic keyboard,
when cut and pasted into an html document, come out
correctly without having to hex the special characters.

Secondly (you can tell I am a newbie!!) I have a new logitech
usb keyboard that works just fine until one goes into dos mode
or dos at startup, then keystrokes do not register. Is this a
'feature' of an usb keyboard?

Sorry if this is incorrectly posted to the wrong group

Dick Rosser

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Ben Pope

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Newbie - Keyboard or Unicode problem? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Doesn't Matter wrote:
 > Greetings
 > I would like my Polish wife to translate some of my web pages
 > into Polish. If we get a Slavonic layout keyboard from Poland
 > and plug it in here (UK) provided we change the windows
 > keyboard paramaters and set the char-set code to UTF - 8

You using either Win2K or XP? They have Unicode support, so you should have
everything you need. I can't find where the support is... but it should be
there. Input support and code page conversion are obviously two very
different things, one requires an internal representation at 16bits, the
other just requires a 16bit to 8 bit mapping with internal 8bit
representation - I can find the code page conversion, but not the input
support.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/2kintlsupp.mspx" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/2kintlsupp.mspx</a>

Thats how you do it. It's not in the Keyboard Control Panel (makes sense
when you think about it)

 > wil what she types into a text editor using the slavonic keyboard,
 > when cut and pasted into an html document, come out
 > correctly without having to hex the special characters.


I'm not sure... if you define your charset as UTF-8 in the HTML, you should
be ok. The OS has support, and decent web servers should too. Now, I don't
know how plain text files work under unicode environments, presumably it's
just 16bit chars instead of 8bit chars.

I've never tried it so I don't know what kind of support there is... to be
fair unicode is hardly a new thing so you should be ok. In terms of support
for reading the pages on other machines, you should be ok. Netscape 4 might
have a heart attack, but anybody using it should give up and install
FireBird (or Opera, or just use IE)

If it were me I'd just try it and see what happens - if it doesn't work
straight off, somebody here will get it working. Your biggest problem will
likely be the machine hosting your website as you have least control over
it.

 > Secondly (you can tell I am a newbie!!) I have a new logitech
 > usb keyboard that works just fine until one goes into dos mode
 > or dos at startup, then keystrokes do not register. Is this a
 > 'feature' of an usb keyboard?

Kind of, DOS does not support USB directly.

Enable Legacy Keyboard support in the BIOS, that should make things work
nicely.

 > Sorry if this is incorrectly posted to the wrong group

Nah, thats cool... it's a quiet group though... if you can find a regional
windows group you may find a greater response.

Ben
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:54 pm
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Thanks Ben

Nope - am on 98se and probably intend to stay there for a while
so, I dont know if I am any further ahead. Guess we will just have to
buy a cheapie keyboard and driver over there and give it a try

Snip

 > You using either Win2K or XP? They have Unicode support, so you should
have
 > everything you need.

Good link if u are on that OS!
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/2kintlsupp.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/handson/user/2kintlsupp.mspx</font</a>>
 >
Thanks - this did the trick
 > Enable Legacy Keyboard support in the BIOS, that should make things work
 > nicely.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:06 pm
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Doesn't Matter wrote:
 > Thanks Ben
 >
 > Nope - am on 98se and probably intend to stay there for a while
 > so, I dont know if I am any further ahead. Guess we will just have to
 > buy a cheapie keyboard and driver over there and give it a try

Ahh right. Well unicode.org might be able to sort you out. Win98 must be
able to do unicode too.

I'm currently learning to touch type the dvorak layout with a qwerty
keyboard, so you might be able to try it out without the keyboard. One of
unicodes strengths is large character sets - too many characters for a
keybaord, so there's an IMM/IME (Input Method Manager/Editor) thing going
on. (I'm pretty lost now.) which might enable you to try it out first
without spending any money.

  >> Enable Legacy Keyboard support in the BIOS, that should make things work
  >> nicely.
 >
 > Thanks - this did the trick

Cool.

Ben
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