OC'ing a (Tualatin) Celeron?

The modification from FC-PGA to FC-PGA2 isn't really that tricky. I did
lose my first processor after knocking off the wrong pin by accident, but
got it right the second time

Anyway, the same procedure can be done equally well on the CPU or the
socket. Therefore you can put all the risk into modding the $10 socket
adaptor without huge risk to the CPU or motherboard. If it goes wrong just
get another adaptor. You'd have still only spent $55.

In short it's as good an upgrade procedure as you can do. Remember there
probably isn't much overclocking potential because IIRC you don't have the
PCI and AGP dividers on that board.

"~misfit~" <~misfit~@his_desk.com> wrote in message
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 > SomeBody wrote:
  > > I am about to upgrade my old system to an AMD XP2500+ wuing a ASUS
  > > A7n8x-Deluxe motherboard.
  > >
  > > My older system is using a OC'led Celron 366mhz in a ABIT BH6
  > > Motherboard. I would like to breath new life into this old beast. I
  > > have recently upgraded the system BIOS and can up the multiplier
  > > quite a bit. I can't remember the full range but know I can get about
  > > a 12x.
  > >
  > > I've seen a Celeron 1.1G (Tualatin) socket 370 for about $35US and a
  > > slot1->socket 370 converter for about $10US.
  > >
  > > Would this be a good upgrade path for this older machine?
 >
 > There were four different types or Celeron packages pre-P4
 >
 > Slot 1 "Covington" and "Mendicino" core (From 300MHz up to about
533MHz?)
 >
 > Socket 370 (PPGA) Mendicino core (From around 333MHz to about 533MHz. All
 > 66MHz FSB to this stage)
 >
 > Socket 370 (PPGA-FC) Coppermine core. (From around 533MHz to around 1GHz,
 > some on a 66MHz FSB, some on 100MHz)
 >
 > Socket 370 (PPGA-FC2*) Tualatin core. (From 1Ghz to 1.4GHz, all 100MHz
FSB)
 >
 > (All MHz ratings from memory)
 >
 > Note that none of these versions of Socket 370 are interchangable. Some
are
 > backwards compatible but you can't put a later core in an earlier socket
 > without modifications.
 >
 > A Slot 1 to Socket 370 converter (Slocket) will only allow you to run
 > Mendicino core CPUs unless it says "Coppermine compatible"
 >
 > To run a Tualatin CPU in a Slot 1 board you either need to 'modify' a
 > Coppermine compatible slocket (Quite a bit of delicate work for a novice)
or
 > buy a "Slot-T" adapter from upgradeware. These are quite expensive.
 >
 > The Tualatin is a great CPU but I don't know if you want to go to that
much
 > trouble or expense to upgrade a system that will be bottle-necked by
things
 > like IDE interface speed and memory access times. And it's not even
possible
 > unless your motherboard is a BX chipset. The earlier chipsets (VX?) won't
 > support a Tualatin.
 >
 > (* Plastic Pin-Grid Array - Flip-Chip/2)
 >
 > HTH. (All from memory, anyone feel free to correct me).
 > --
 > ~misfit~
 >
 >


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 >> Stay informed about: OC'ing a (Tualatin) Celeron? 

Now you went and muddied the water for me...

I thought I was in for a simple decision, just a simple cpu swap-out.

My ABIT BH-6 ver1.1 MB uses the Intel 440BX chipset, supports 66/100 Mhz
cpu external clock speeds, Pentium III 450-500 Mhz (100Mhz),
Pentium II 350-450 Mhz (100 Mhz), Pentium II 233-333 Mhz (66 Mhz) and
Celeron 266-466 Mhz (66 Mhz).

I've upgraded the bios to the latest offered by ABIT, 2A69KA1VC-SP, I do
believe this up'ed the Mhz and different bus speeds, greater than 100Mhz.
I cant remember off-hand, but I remember seeing speeds like 112, 132, to
name a few that I recall.

My mother board has a slot1 with a Slotket (?) PPGA(socket370) adapter.
I have an older 300Mhx Celeron cpu OC'ed to 550Mhz (100 Mhz) which has
been running fine for many, many years now, time for a new system!

Any ideas how to upgrade this PC to something faster but also on the cheap
side. I'm not looking for a dedicated game machine, just want to use it as
a file/print server, dhcp/dns, mail server for my home network. I know I
could just probably keep the same CPU and still perform reasonably well,
but my thinking was if it only cost $35US for a 1.1g Celron, why not?

It looks like I must do some more research before I make a move on
something.

You info was well received and made the water some what muddied for me!

Thanks

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:58:59 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:

 > SomeBody wrote:
  >> I am about to upgrade my old system to an AMD XP2500+ wuing a ASUS
  >> A7n8x-Deluxe motherboard.
  >>
  >> My older system is using a OC'led Celron 366mhz in a ABIT BH6
  >> Motherboard. I would like to breath new life into this old beast. I
  >> have recently upgraded the system BIOS and can up the multiplier
  >> quite a bit. I can't remember the full range but know I can get about
  >> a 12x.
  >>
  >> I've seen a Celeron 1.1G (Tualatin) socket 370 for about $35US and a
  >> slot1->socket 370 converter for about $10US.
  >>
  >> Would this be a good upgrade path for this older machine?
 >
 > There were four different types or Celeron packages pre-P4
 >
 > Slot 1 "Covington" and "Mendicino" core (From 300MHz up to about 533MHz?)
 >
 > Socket 370 (PPGA) Mendicino core (From around 333MHz to about 533MHz. All
 > 66MHz FSB to this stage)
 >
 > Socket 370 (PPGA-FC) Coppermine core. (From around 533MHz to around 1GHz,
 > some on a 66MHz FSB, some on 100MHz)
 >
 > Socket 370 (PPGA-FC2*) Tualatin core. (From 1Ghz to 1.4GHz, all 100MHz FSB)
 >
 > (All MHz ratings from memory)
 >
 > Note that none of these versions of Socket 370 are interchangable. Some are
 > backwards compatible but you can't put a later core in an earlier socket
 > without modifications.
 >
 > A Slot 1 to Socket 370 converter (Slocket) will only allow you to run
 > Mendicino core CPUs unless it says "Coppermine compatible"
 >
 > To run a Tualatin CPU in a Slot 1 board you either need to 'modify' a
 > Coppermine compatible slocket (Quite a bit of delicate work for a novice) or
 > buy a "Slot-T" adapter from upgradeware. These are quite expensive.
 >
 > The Tualatin is a great CPU but I don't know if you want to go to that much
 > trouble or expense to upgrade a system that will be bottle-necked by things
 > like IDE interface speed and memory access times. And it's not even possible
 > unless your motherboard is a BX chipset. The earlier chipsets (VX?) won't
 > support a Tualatin.
 >
 > (* Plastic Pin-Grid Array - Flip-Chip/2)
 >
 > HTH. (All from memory, anyone feel free to correct me).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:16:39 GMT, SomeBody <SomeOne RemoveThis @Someplace.org>
wrote:

 >My older system is using a OC'led Celron 366mhz in a ABIT BH6 Motherboard.
 >I would like to breath new life into this old beast. ...
 >I've seen a Celeron 1.1G (Tualatin) socket 370 for about $35US and a
 >slot1->socket 370 converter for about $10US.

this slotket will probably not work w/o a modification for that CPU
you need to buy a "Slot-T" adapter from upgradeware.com
(some around 20$)

 >Would this be a good upgrade path for this older machine?

the best IMHO !

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 >> Stay informed about: OC'ing a (Tualatin) Celeron? 

I think the Tualatin Celeron is still your best option. The Slot-T adapter
from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.upgradeware.com" target="_blank">www.upgradeware.com</a> is only $25.
The slot adapter you have will probably be limited to PPGA Celerons which
only go to 500MHz...not much point doing that as your already at 550MHz.
If you are lucky you may have a slot adapter that supports the later
Coppermine FCPGA chips (up to 1.1GHz)..but these chips are virtually
impossible to find new anymore. You could also try to find a slot one
Coppermine (available up to 1GHz) but these are rarer still.
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 > Now you went and muddied the water for me...
 >
 > I thought I was in for a simple decision, just a simple cpu swap-out.
 >
 > My ABIT BH-6 ver1.1 MB uses the Intel 440BX chipset, supports 66/100 Mhz
 > cpu external clock speeds, Pentium III 450-500 Mhz (100Mhz),
 > Pentium II 350-450 Mhz (100 Mhz), Pentium II 233-333 Mhz (66 Mhz) and
 > Celeron 266-466 Mhz (66 Mhz).
 >
 > I've upgraded the bios to the latest offered by ABIT, 2A69KA1VC-SP, I do
 > believe this up'ed the Mhz and different bus speeds, greater than 100Mhz.
 > I cant remember off-hand, but I remember seeing speeds like 112, 132, to
 > name a few that I recall.
 >
 > My mother board has a slot1 with a Slotket (?) PPGA(socket370) adapter.
 > I have an older 300Mhx Celeron cpu OC'ed to 550Mhz (100 Mhz) which has
 > been running fine for many, many years now, time for a new system!
 >
 > Any ideas how to upgrade this PC to something faster but also on the cheap
 > side. I'm not looking for a dedicated game machine, just want to use it as
 > a file/print server, dhcp/dns, mail server for my home network. I know I
 > could just probably keep the same CPU and still perform reasonably well,
 > but my thinking was if it only cost $35US for a 1.1g Celron, why not?
 >
 > It looks like I must do some more research before I make a move on
 > something.
 >
 > You info was well received and made the water some what muddied for me!
 >
 > Thanks
 >
 > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:58:59 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
 >
  > > SomeBody wrote:
   > >> I am about to upgrade my old system to an AMD XP2500+ wuing a ASUS
   > >> A7n8x-Deluxe motherboard.
   > >>
   > >> My older system is using a OC'led Celron 366mhz in a ABIT BH6
   > >> Motherboard. I would like to breath new life into this old beast. I
   > >> have recently upgraded the system BIOS and can up the multiplier
   > >> quite a bit. I can't remember the full range but know I can get about
   > >> a 12x.
   > >>
   > >> I've seen a Celeron 1.1G (Tualatin) socket 370 for about $35US and a
   > >> slot1->socket 370 converter for about $10US.
   > >>
   > >> Would this be a good upgrade path for this older machine?
  > >
  > > There were four different types or Celeron packages pre-P4
  > >
  > > Slot 1 "Covington" and "Mendicino" core (From 300MHz up to about
533MHz?)
  > >
  > > Socket 370 (PPGA) Mendicino core (From around 333MHz to about 533MHz.
All
  > > 66MHz FSB to this stage)
  > >
  > > Socket 370 (PPGA-FC) Coppermine core. (From around 533MHz to around
1GHz,
  > > some on a 66MHz FSB, some on 100MHz)
  > >
  > > Socket 370 (PPGA-FC2*) Tualatin core. (From 1Ghz to 1.4GHz, all 100MHz
FSB)
  > >
  > > (All MHz ratings from memory)
  > >
  > > Note that none of these versions of Socket 370 are interchangable. Some
are
  > > backwards compatible but you can't put a later core in an earlier socket
  > > without modifications.
  > >
  > > A Slot 1 to Socket 370 converter (Slocket) will only allow you to run
  > > Mendicino core CPUs unless it says "Coppermine compatible"
  > >
  > > To run a Tualatin CPU in a Slot 1 board you either need to 'modify' a
  > > Coppermine compatible slocket (Quite a bit of delicate work for a
novice) or
  > > buy a "Slot-T" adapter from upgradeware. These are quite expensive.
  > >
  > > The Tualatin is a great CPU but I don't know if you want to go to that
much
  > > trouble or expense to upgrade a system that will be bottle-necked by
things
  > > like IDE interface speed and memory access times. And it's not even
possible
  > > unless your motherboard is a BX chipset. The earlier chipsets (VX?)
won't
  > > support a Tualatin.
  > >
  > > (* Plastic Pin-Grid Array - Flip-Chip/2)
  > >
  > > HTH. (All from memory, anyone feel free to correct me).
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 >> Stay informed about: OC'ing a (Tualatin) Celeron? 

Andy Cunningham wrote:
 > The modification from FC-PGA to FC-PGA2 isn't really that tricky. I
 > did lose my first processor after knocking off the wrong pin by
 > accident, but got it right the second time

I knocked off the wrong pin when I modified a PGA slocket to take a PGA-FC
CPU (Coppermine). Luckilly I was able to solder the pin back on the CPU.

Can you either detail how to change a PGA slocket to take a FC-PCA2 CPU
(Tualatin) or point me in the right direction please? I used to have URLs
bookmarked way back but lost them to a crash.

Many thanks.
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~misfit~ wrote:

 > Andy Cunningham wrote:
 >
  >>The modification from FC-PGA to FC-PGA2 isn't really that tricky. I
  >>did lose my first processor after knocking off the wrong pin by
  >>accident, but got it right the second time
 >
 >
 > I knocked off the wrong pin when I modified a PGA slocket to take a PGA-FC
 > CPU (Coppermine). Luckilly I was able to solder the pin back on the CPU.
 >
 > Can you either detail how to change a PGA slocket to take a FC-PCA2 CPU
 > (Tualatin) or point me in the right direction please? I used to have URLs
 > bookmarked way back but lost them to a crash.

The details vary from slocket to slocket, but here's how I do it on the
Asus S370-DL:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tipperlinne.com/s370-dl.htm" target="_blank">http://tipperlinne.com/s370-dl.htm</a>

 > Many thanks.
 > --
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 >
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:01:22 +1300, "~misfit~" <~misfit~@his_desk.com>
wrote:

 >Can you either detail how to change a PGA slocket to take a FC-PCA2 CPU
 >(Tualatin) or point me in the right direction please? I used to have URLs
 >bookmarked way back but lost them to a crash.

you have a picture on my site under mods ...

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