Opteron vs. Nocona benchmarks

RusH <logistyka1 DeleteThis @pf.pl> wrote:
 > "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67 DeleteThis @ezrs.com> wrote :
 >
  >> seems to be better at
  >> workstation-style applications than at server-style applications.
 >
 > like every Xeon vs Opteron comparison. Why ? Windows XP Professional
 > Edition.
 > ROFL

Why should that make a difference?

Oh and BTW, it looks like these GamePC people have been able to get XP64
working on the Nocona. Either they have the latest public beta, or they have
a private beta.

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"Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67 DeleteThis @ezrs.com> wrote :

 > RusH <logistyka1 DeleteThis @pf.pl> wrote:
  >> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67 DeleteThis @ezrs.com> wrote :
  >>
   >>> seems to be better at
   >>> workstation-style applications than at server-style
   >>> applications.
  >>
  >> like every Xeon vs Opteron comparison. Why ? Windows XP
  >> Professional Edition.
  >> ROFL
 >
 > Why should that make a difference?

Becouse the title said : 64Bit Battle ? :/

"As for 64-bit performance, we can’t really tell anything at this time.
While we were able to load our latest build of Windows XP 64-bit
Edition on both systems and were able to run some quick 64-bit SiSoft
Sandra benchmarks, these items combined are not enough to get a good
picture of the 64-bit performance of these chips. We’re planning on re-
visiting these processors in a future lab report with 64-bit Windows
XP, Server 2003, and Linux, for a deeper look at performance and
compatibility between these two processors. Stay tuned."

jadajada, those sites are shameles, they are making fools of themselves
running '64bit' tests with XP, or comparing Xeon to Opteron. I'm really
SICK of those "desktop" tests made by gamers.

 > Oh and BTW, it looks like these GamePC people have been able to
 > get XP64 working on the Nocona. Either they have the latest public
 > beta, or they have a private beta.

or they lie (no proof, no test results).


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 >> Stay informed about: Opteron vs. Nocona benchmarks 

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:36:10 GMT, "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.TakeThisOut@ezrs.com> wrote:

 >RusH <logistyka1.TakeThisOut@pf.pl> wrote:
  >> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.TakeThisOut@ezrs.com> wrote :
  >>
   >>> seems to be better at
   >>> workstation-style applications than at server-style applications.
  >>
  >> like every Xeon vs Opteron comparison. Why ? Windows XP Professional
  >> Edition.
  >> ROFL
 >
 >Why should that make a difference?
 >
 >Oh and BTW, it looks like these GamePC people have been able to get XP64
 >working on the Nocona. Either they have the latest public beta, or they have
 >a private beta.

Yeah but they didn't use it AFAICT. IOW they completely missed the point
of the whole exercise by running 32-bit software and not actually showing
their hand very clearly. D'oh - it's the 64-bit comaprison we want to see;
the 32-bit stuff has been run on previous Opteron/Xeon comparos months ago
- nobody cares now.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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 >> Stay informed about: Opteron vs. Nocona benchmarks 

"Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.TakeThisOut@ezrs.com> wrote in message
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 > First bunch of Nocona benchs have come out, this one from GamePC:
 >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=noconaopteron&page=1&cookie%5Ftest=1" target="_blank">http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=noconaopteron&page=1&co...e%5Ftes</a>
 >
 > Looks like the Nocona isn't a bad performer, seems to be better at
 > workstation-style applications than at server-style applications.
 >
 > Yousuf Khan
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I'd be interested in seeing real 64b benchmarks. I don't think there was
really anything new in the review we saw, other than the fact that both
CPU's are 64b capable now.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Yousuf Khan <bbbl67.RemoveThis@ezrs.com> wrote:
: First bunch of Nocona benchs have come out, this one from GamePC:

Nocona? Isn't that some sort of western-wear boot? Hmmmm.

J.
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"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:36:10 GMT, "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.DeleteThis@ezrs.com> wrote:
 >
  > >RusH <logistyka1.DeleteThis@pf.pl> wrote:
   > >> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.DeleteThis@ezrs.com> wrote :
   > >>
   > >>> seems to be better at
   > >>> workstation-style applications than at server-style applications.
   > >>
   > >> like every Xeon vs Opteron comparison. Why ? Windows XP Professional
   > >> Edition.
   > >> ROFL
  > >
  > >Why should that make a difference?
  > >
  > >Oh and BTW, it looks like these GamePC people have been able to get XP64
  > >working on the Nocona. Either they have the latest public beta, or they
have
  > >a private beta.
 >
 > Yeah but they didn't use it AFAICT. IOW they completely missed the point
 > of the whole exercise by running 32-bit software and not actually showing
 > their hand very clearly. D'oh - it's the 64-bit comaprison we want to
see;
 > the 32-bit stuff has been run on previous Opteron/Xeon comparos months ago
 > - nobody cares now.
 >

Why did they cripple the Intel box with 400 MHz DDR2? DDR2 right now has a
higher latency than DDR and won't perform as well at an equal MHz. Why not
use the 533 since that's what many of the systems will ship with?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:21:07 -0600, "Judd" <IhateSpam DeleteThis @stopspam.com>
wrote:

 >
 >Why did they cripple the Intel box with 400 MHz DDR2? DDR2 right now has a
 >higher latency than DDR and won't perform as well at an equal MHz. Why not
 >use the 533 since that's what many of the systems will ship with?
 >

what difference would it make? 3% tops?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:21:07 -0600, "Judd" <IhateSpam RemoveThis @stopspam.com>
wrote:
 >Why did they cripple the Intel box with 400 MHz DDR2? DDR2 right now has a
 >higher latency than DDR and won't perform as well at an equal MHz. Why not
 >use the 533 since that's what many of the systems will ship with?

Uhh, Intel's E7535 chipset doesn't support DDR2 533 memory, so that's
a pretty damn good reason why they wouldn't use it! These are
workstation/server chipsets, not the desktop i915/i925 chipsets where
talking about here, different requirements and different specs. Both
systems were equipped with the fastest available setups.

Besides, given the shared-bus nature of the Xeon chips, the difference
between DDR2 400 and DDR2 533 is likely to be rather minimal, probably
in the 1-2% range.

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:21:07 -0600, "Judd" <IhateSpam.RemoveThis@stopspam.com> wrote:

 >
 >"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
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  >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:36:10 GMT, "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.RemoveThis@ezrs.com> wrote:
  >>
   >> >RusH <logistyka1.RemoveThis@pf.pl> wrote:
   >> >> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67.RemoveThis@ezrs.com> wrote :
   >> >>
   >> >>> seems to be better at
   >> >>> workstation-style applications than at server-style applications.
   >> >>
   >> >> like every Xeon vs Opteron comparison. Why ? Windows XP Professional
   >> >> Edition.
   >> >> ROFL
   >> >
   >> >Why should that make a difference?
   >> >
   >> >Oh and BTW, it looks like these GamePC people have been able to get XP64
   >> >working on the Nocona. Either they have the latest public beta, or they
 >have
   >> >a private beta.
  >>
  >> Yeah but they didn't use it AFAICT. IOW they completely missed the point
  >> of the whole exercise by running 32-bit software and not actually showing
  >> their hand very clearly. D'oh - it's the 64-bit comaprison we want to
 >see;
  >> the 32-bit stuff has been run on previous Opteron/Xeon comparos months ago
  >> - nobody cares now.
  >>
 >
 >Why did they cripple the Intel box with 400 MHz DDR2? DDR2 right now has a
 >higher latency than DDR and won't perform as well at an equal MHz. Why not
 >use the 533 since that's what many of the systems will ship with?

The Xeons and 7525 support 400MHz FSB & memory - I dunno if it's planned to
go to 533MHz.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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"Judd" <IhateSpam.RemoveThis@stopspam.com> wrote :

 > Why did they cripple the Intel box with 400 MHz DDR2? DDR2 right
 > now has a higher latency than DDR and won't perform as well at an
 > equal MHz. Why not use the 533 since that's what many of the
 > systems will ship with?

because its not supported ?


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George Macdonald wrote:
 > Yeah but they didn't use it AFAICT. IOW they completely missed the point
 > of the whole exercise by running 32-bit software and not actually showing
 > their hand very clearly. D'oh - it's the 64-bit comaprison we want to see;
 > the 32-bit stuff has been run on previous Opteron/Xeon comparos months ago
 > - nobody cares now.

but they havn't run comparisons with 800Mhz FSB Xeons before have
they...? even thought it was 32 bit apps on XP32 (i think?) i still
found the benchmarks very useful - as a maya user looking to buy the
best performing hardware for my render farm now, when 64 bit maya
arrives a year [or 3] from now. 32 bit banchmarks are better than no
benchmarks.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:12:41 +1200, Paul Gunson
<spammersrot.RemoveThis@mybasement.com> wrote:

 >George Macdonald wrote:
  >> Yeah but they didn't use it AFAICT. IOW they completely missed the point
  >> of the whole exercise by running 32-bit software and not actually showing
  >> their hand very clearly. D'oh - it's the 64-bit comaprison we want to see;
  >> the 32-bit stuff has been run on previous Opteron/Xeon comparos months ago
  >> - nobody cares now.
 >
 >but they havn't run comparisons with 800Mhz FSB Xeons before have
 >they...? even thought it was 32 bit apps on XP32 (i think?) i still
 >found the benchmarks very useful - as a maya user looking to buy the
 >best performing hardware for my render farm now, when 64 bit maya
 >arrives a year [or 3] from now. 32 bit banchmarks are better than no
 >benchmarks.

I haven't examined the Xeons in detail but has nobody ever overclocked one
to a 400MHz FSB? Even so, P4s have been there for a while so I don't see
anything particularly new here. If you're running dual Xeons at 266MHz FSB
I'd think you have a good idea how much you are losing on memory
performance vs. 400MHz. If "now" is annual splurge time, I see your point
though; OTOH if you keep systems for even 2 years, I think you should pay
close attention to the 64-bit comparisons... when they become available.

The fact is that the article *is* misleading with its "64-bit Battle" label
where there is not a single mention of a 64-bit benchmark amd 32-bit OS
*was* used. I don't think I'm alone in being intrigued by Intel's err,
coyness on 64-bit performance... and the resounding silence on the Web on
the subject. The few dribbles we've seen suggest a possible disaster for
Intel... and the mention in the article of "quick 64-bit SiSoft Sandra
benchmarks" with no actual numbers could be ominous.

BTW if Maya is looking at >=1year for 64-bitness I'd say it's time to ring
their bell.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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Paul Gunson wrote:
[snip]for my render farm now, when 64 bit maya
 > arrives a year [or 3] from now. 32 bit banchmarks are better than no
 > benchmarks.

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