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Lidberg

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:32 pm
Post subject: Asus P4C800-E DLX won't boot!
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Hi all,

I'm an old hat at overclocking, but mostly I browse the forums only
when I need some specific info. This is one of those times. I've
built 10-15 computers of my own, the last being an AMD Athlon64 3200+
which is still rockin' hard after a year and a half. Previous to that,
I still have 4 of my P4 systems, all successfully overclocked to
almost 50%.

System 0 - Abit BP6 w/2x400MHz CPU's oc'ed to 600Mhz (retired)
System 1 - Abit BE7-RAID w/P4 1.8a oc'ed to 2.6GHz
System 2 - Abit IT7-Max w/P4 1.6a oc'ed to 2.4GHz
System 3 - Abit IT7-Max w/P4 2.0a oc'ed to 2.8GHz
System 4 - Abit IT7-Max2 2.0 w/P4 1.6a oc'ed to 2.4GHz

As you can see, I found a good bunch of "a" spec processors
that overclock very well.

System 5 - still trying to get this system up and running and losing
patience fast!

Asus P4C800-E Deluxe rev 2.00
CPU 1 - P4 Mobile P4 1.6/3.06 SL726
CPU 2 - P4 2.4C SL6WF
CPU 3 - P4 3.0C SL6WU
ZALMAN CNPS 7000-Cu
2x512 Crucial Ballistix PC-4000 RAM
eVGA 6800GS 256MB AGP video card
200GB Seagate
100GB WD
NEC ND-3500A DVD burner
Power supply: 380W Antec True380S

Basically I can't even get this board to post. I bought my first
P4C800-E DLX 2.00 on eBay (seller said he was parting out a killer
system and the mobo worked flawlessly) and the 3.06 mobile P4 to see
how far it could overclock. Well, it would POST and actually install
the OS, but I could never get it to hold anything other than 1.6GHz.
It would always say "Overclocking failed" and stop. The
only thing I could do was hit F2 (or was it F1?) to load defaults and
continue on. If I changed the FSB, it would always force me to revert
back to stock settings.

So, I bought another P4C800-E DLX 2.00. Everything else is the same.
Now, NONE of the CPU's I have will even post. Not even the 3.06 that
I KNOW works good. The system turns on but that's it. I've tried the
DVI and VGA connectors on my video card, nothing. Tried resetting the
CMOS, nothing. Tried known good 300W power supply, nothing. Once, and
only once, did I get the female voice to tell me something, but it
was so noisy in here, I couldn't make out what it was saying.

I am leery about pulling a CPU from my other P4 systems because all of
the HSF setups I used are not stock Intel units. They are the kind
that bolt onto the motherboard and I would have to pull the entire
motherboard out just to yank the CPU. Not only that, but none of them
support 800MHz FSB CPU's, so I can't test anything other than on this
motherboard. Is it possible to overtighten the two screws on the
Zalman HSF setup?

Does anyone have ANY suggestions? I am at my wits end here. I am ready
to ditch this setup and go with a brand new P4 775 setup or maybe
another AMD setup. Only thing is, I have a brand new AGP video card
and most new mobo's are using PCI-E.

I've searched quite extensively, but all I'm trying to do is get this
machine to at least POST.

Thank you,
:Christian:.

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Lidberg

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:32 pm
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UPDATE:

OK, I pulled one of the memory chips, thinking it may boot (I read it
somewhere that troubleshooting should be done with one RAM module).
Anyways, it at least POSTs now. However, I have noticed a couple of
things:

1. It won't boot with a RAM module in either both of the blue slots or
both of the black slots, which is a requirement for running in
dual-channel mode.

2. It will boot with one module in a blue slot and one in a black
slot, allowing me to have 1GB RAM, but not in dual-channel mode.

3. It always gives me an error on bootup "Overclocking failed,
press F1 to continue, F2 to run setup". This is with my 2.4C
CPU. BIOS settings for CPU are on defaults. I changed the RAM
settings to manual - they are set at 2.5/4/4/8 (defaults according to
Crucial). However, if I change it to read from SPD, I still get the
"overclocking failed" error msg.

4. mobo has 1018 BIOS.

Would an upgraded BIOS help me out any? I have 1023 and 1024 (beta)
available here and can flash in a jiffy.

.:Christian:.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:40 am
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In article ,
no.RemoveThis@spam.invalid (Lidberg) wrote:

> UPDATE:
>
> OK, I pulled one of the memory chips, thinking it may boot (I read it
> somewhere that troubleshooting should be done with one RAM module).
> Anyways, it at least POSTs now. However, I have noticed a couple of
> things:
>
> 1. It won't boot with a RAM module in either both of the blue slots or
> both of the black slots, which is a requirement for running in
> dual-channel mode.
>
> 2. It will boot with one module in a blue slot and one in a black
> slot, allowing me to have 1GB RAM, but not in dual-channel mode.
>
> 3. It always gives me an error on bootup "Overclocking failed,
> press F1 to continue, F2 to run setup". This is with my 2.4C
> CPU. BIOS settings for CPU are on defaults. I changed the RAM
> settings to manual - they are set at 2.5/4/4/8 (defaults according to
> Crucial). However, if I change it to read from SPD, I still get the
> "overclocking failed" error msg.
>
> 4. mobo has 1018 BIOS.
>
> Would an upgraded BIOS help me out any? I have 1023 and 1024 (beta)
> available here and can flash in a jiffy.
>
> .:Christian:.

The P4C800-E is a forgiving board. It should not be fighting you that
way, unless it has been damaged by the previous owner. It almost
sounds like one channel is damaged on the Northbridge, but that
would be hard to prove conclusively.

As for your selection of memory timings, the defaults you list
could be the memory speed settings for PC4000. Since you aren't
even overclocking yet, you aren't running at DDR500. That
means slightly tighter timings can be used. I would start
at 3-3-3-8, which is the JEDEC standard. Make sure Vdimm
is bumped up a little bit, to 2.7V.

Have you done a thorough inspection of the motherboard ?
Would the previous owner have attempted a Vcore droop mod,
a Vdimm voltage mode, or would the previous owner have
tried an OCZ DIMM booster (which won't leave any marks) ?
A guy who parts out a "killer system", may have wore the
thing out by using high settings, which is the reason
he is parting with it. Look for signs of soldering, and
check both the front and back of the motherboard for
solder resin or burn marks.

This is one reason I shudder when I read postings from
people who buy from Ebay and cannot understand why the
hardware has problems. I also read postings on
Xtremesystems.org , where a poster there will say "I'm
selling this thing on Ebay, before it gets so bad it
won't even run at stock". You have to remember that
idiots like that are selling stuff to you. And many
forms of damage are impossible to identify for
certain, leaving the Ebay buyer with half dead products
and no way to test them.

With regard to flashing the BIOS, don't attempt it until
you have a stable configuration in the machine. If you
have a configuration that will run memtest86+ for a few
hours without error, then try flashing it. A DOS floppy
is the safest flashing method to use.

Good luck,
Paul
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:32 pm
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Well, the first board I am sending back. It just won't work and I'm
sick of fighting it. I also noticed that there is physical damage on
the top edge of teh board, like it was dropped or damaged during
shipping.

The second board runs pretty well. I'm running my 2.4C @ 3.0 right and
it's very solid. Idle temps are @ 30C. Case temp is 31C. My only real
issue at this point is that I still cannot run in dual-channel mode.
If I put the RAM in either both blue or black slots, it will not
POST, period. Right now it will only POST if the RAM is in slots 3
and 4 (one blue, one black). The previous owner had Corsair XMS
PC3200, but she has no clue about whether or not it was in
dual-channel mode or not.

Right now, I realize that my memory speeds are slower, but at least
it's solid. XP is running good and I'm going to beat it up with some
3DMark 2006.

Thanks,
.:Christian:.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:55 pm
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UPDATE:

OK, system seems to be running pretty well now. With the 2.4C CPU, I
can o/c it to an FSB of 250-255 before I start running into RAM
limitations (RAM is DDR500). I expected that. I changed the CPU/RAM
ratio to 5:4 but that didn't seem to make any difference. Increasing
the FSB even while increasing the CPU voltage can't keep the system
100% stable.

3DMark05 score=4860.

So I put in my 3.0C CPU. Again, system is very stable. I have been
able to o/c it to around 235 FSB before 3DMark05 would start crashing
on me in the middle of a run (I have the full version, so it lasts a
good 10 minutes or so). Last good run was with a 230FSB. Increasing
the FSB to 235 did not increase my score, which is weird, but oh
well. It could've been because I was doing back-to-back runs after
increasing the CPU voltage ever so slightly.

3DMark05 score=4904.

I know that I have lots more room to go RAM-wise, but my 3.0C seems to
be hitting its limits at 230 FSB. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it.

The only thing that is still bothering me is that I can't run the RAM
in dual-channel mode. If someone can solve that for me, I'd be
tickled pink.

OH yeah, one more thing - I have the eVGA 6800GS AGP video card. I was
able to successfully unlock the 4 extra pipes and 1 extra vertex. No
artifacts whatsoever!

.:Christian:.
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