P4PE and RAM

I tried using the 1 gig and a 512 and it wouldn't boot up. So I tried the 1
gig stick by itself. It still wouldn't boot up. Could this mean the RAM
itself is faulty?
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In article <2kA5g.11288$eI4.3988@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
<none.TakeThisOut@none.net> wrote:

> I tried using the 1 gig and a 512 and it wouldn't boot up. So I tried the 1
> gig stick by itself. It still wouldn't boot up. Could this mean the RAM
> itself is faulty?

If it uses 128Mx4 chips, Intel does not approve of that practice.
It is also not defined in the JEDEC specs, and the industry is
supposed to promote only standard products. That is probably
why the cheap modules have no names printed on them, so the companies
won't get caught doing it.

Can you provide a URL of where you bought the memory ?

Is there a PDF spec for the RAM somewhere ?

Did you buy it on Ebay ?

The RAM may not be intended to work with your motherboard.

Buying 512MB DIMMs is pretty safe, as there is only one
common way to make them. But at 1GB, there are at least two ways
to make them, and one of the ways stinks. Don't buy
cheap 1GB DIMMs!

Paul
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> If it uses 128Mx4 chips, Intel does not approve of that practice.
> It is also not defined in the JEDEC specs, and the industry is
> supposed to promote only standard products. That is probably
> why the cheap modules have no names printed on them, so the companies
> won't get caught doing it.
>
> Can you provide a URL of where you bought the memory ?
>
> Is there a PDF spec for the RAM somewhere ?
>
> Did you buy it on Ebay ?
>

Yes I got it on eBay. The specs provided are as follows:

1 gig PC 3200 DDR 400 MHz
184 Pin
3.2 GB/sec
2.5 volt
128x64 High Density
Non-ECC, Non-Parity
Unbuffered
Jedec Standard
SSTL-2 I/O Interface
SPD Support
Support for memory chip stacking
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In article <JtP5g.8569$wj6.821@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
<none.TakeThisOut@none.net> wrote:

> No they said nothing about checking the chipset first of course. I
> could return it, minus the stocking fee, listing fee, insurance and
> shipping, plus at the cost of shipping it back to them. It would hardly be
> worth it. Also they said if I return it and they find it to be in working
> condition they ship it back to me at my expense. The other 2 ram sticks I
> am using now I got from crucial and I have already ordered a 1 gig stick
> from them as well, should be here tomorrow I'm hoping. That's what I get
> for trying to save a buck or two. This seller had over 100k positive
> feedbacks and an online store so I figured I'd take the chance. Now I know
> better. Always crucial from now on even if it does cost twice as much.

If there are no heat spreaders on the module, post the
part numbers printed on one of the memory chips. Perhaps
I can look it up and verify the chip type.

If there is nothing printed on the chips, and you cannot
get that module to POST on any computer, it'll be pretty
hard to verify exactly what was shipped

Paul
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"Paul" <nospam.RemoveThis@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-0205061746560001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <JtP5g.8569$wj6.821@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
> <none.RemoveThis@none.net> wrote:
>
>> No they said nothing about checking the chipset first of course. I
>> could return it, minus the stocking fee, listing fee, insurance and
>> shipping, plus at the cost of shipping it back to them. It would hardly
>> be
>> worth it. Also they said if I return it and they find it to be in
>> working
>> condition they ship it back to me at my expense. The other 2 ram sticks
>> I
>> am using now I got from crucial and I have already ordered a 1 gig stick
>> from them as well, should be here tomorrow I'm hoping. That's what I get
>> for trying to save a buck or two. This seller had over 100k positive
>> feedbacks and an online store so I figured I'd take the chance. Now I
>> know
>> better. Always crucial from now on even if it does cost twice as much.
>
> If there are no heat spreaders on the module, post the
> part numbers printed on one of the memory chips. Perhaps
> I can look it up and verify the chip type.
>
> If there is nothing printed on the chips, and you cannot
> get that module to POST on any computer, it'll be pretty
> hard to verify exactly what was shipped
>
The sticker on the stick says NCP NC00900 and the number on one of the
chips is NP25D1284512K-5
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In article <o0V5g.15$Qq.11@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
<none.DeleteThis@none.net> wrote:

> "Paul" <nospam.DeleteThis@needed.com> wrote in message
> news:nospam-0205061746560001@192.168.1.178...
> > In article <JtP5g.8569$wj6.821@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
> > <none.DeleteThis@none.net> wrote:
> >
> >> No they said nothing about checking the chipset first of course. I
> >> could return it, minus the stocking fee, listing fee, insurance and
> >> shipping, plus at the cost of shipping it back to them. It would hardly
> >> be
> >> worth it. Also they said if I return it and they find it to be in
> >> working
> >> condition they ship it back to me at my expense. The other 2 ram sticks
> >> I
> >> am using now I got from crucial and I have already ordered a 1 gig stick
> >> from them as well, should be here tomorrow I'm hoping. That's what I get
> >> for trying to save a buck or two. This seller had over 100k positive
> >> feedbacks and an online store so I figured I'd take the chance. Now I
> >> know
> >> better. Always crucial from now on even if it does cost twice as much.
> >
> > If there are no heat spreaders on the module, post the
> > part numbers printed on one of the memory chips. Perhaps
> > I can look it up and verify the chip type.
> >
> > If there is nothing printed on the chips, and you cannot
> > get that module to POST on any computer, it'll be pretty
> > hard to verify exactly what was shipped
> >
> The sticker on the stick says NCP NC00900 and the number on one of the
> chips is NP25D1284512K-5

Without figuring out who makes it, the 1284 part of the part
number is saying "128Mx4" chip, which is the less desirable
kind. The best chips for the job are 64Mx8 chips.

Paul
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"Paul" <nospam.TakeThisOut@needed.com> wrote in message
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> In article <o0V5g.15$Qq.11@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
> <none.TakeThisOut@none.net> wrote:
>
>> "Paul" <nospam.TakeThisOut@needed.com> wrote in message
>> news:nospam-0205061746560001@192.168.1.178...
>> > In article <JtP5g.8569$wj6.821@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
>> > <none.TakeThisOut@none.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> No they said nothing about checking the chipset first of course.
>> >> I
>> >> could return it, minus the stocking fee, listing fee, insurance and
>> >> shipping, plus at the cost of shipping it back to them. It would
>> >> hardly
>> >> be
>> >> worth it. Also they said if I return it and they find it to be in
>> >> working
>> >> condition they ship it back to me at my expense. The other 2 ram
>> >> sticks
>> >> I
>> >> am using now I got from crucial and I have already ordered a 1 gig
>> >> stick
>> >> from them as well, should be here tomorrow I'm hoping. That's what I
>> >> get
>> >> for trying to save a buck or two. This seller had over 100k positive
>> >> feedbacks and an online store so I figured I'd take the chance. Now I
>> >> know
>> >> better. Always crucial from now on even if it does cost twice as
>> >> much.
>> >
>> > If there are no heat spreaders on the module, post the
>> > part numbers printed on one of the memory chips. Perhaps
>> > I can look it up and verify the chip type.
>> >
>> > If there is nothing printed on the chips, and you cannot
>> > get that module to POST on any computer, it'll be pretty
>> > hard to verify exactly what was shipped
>> >
>> The sticker on the stick says NCP NC00900 and the number on one of
>> the
>> chips is NP25D1284512K-5
>
> Without figuring out who makes it, the 1284 part of the part
> number is saying "128Mx4" chip, which is the less desirable
> kind. The best chips for the job are 64Mx8 chips.
>
I wanna thank you for all your help in this matter Paul. I'm currently
in negotiations with this guy to get a refund. If he gives me a hard time
I'll complain thru paypal as he stated the item was brand new but when I got
it it was obviously not brand new as numbers on the chips had already been
worn off from handling.
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