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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:05 am
Post subject: PC works fine yet CMOS does not see drive
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Hi
Can anybody help me with this
I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects the
CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The PC
operates OK with windows XP home edition.
In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
detect but it finds nothing.
I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
question.
Any ideas
Thanks
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:15 am
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson <derek.thompson.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi
> Can anybody help me with this
> I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
> In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects the
> CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
> Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The PC
> operates OK with windows XP home edition.
> In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
> clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
> settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
> I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
> detect but it finds nothing.
> I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
> My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
> drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
> question.
Likely the BIOS has a 128GB limit and fails to see the HDD because
it returns ''incorrect'' status data about itself.
On the other hand the boot-code in the BIOS does not need to care, as
it just loads the first sector of the HDD and executes it. The boot-code
does not care about HDD size at all. Although usually the boot code
is not activated if HDD detection fails. Maybe two different people
writing the respective pieces of code.
Since modern OSes do not use the BIOS for HDD access, they can work
with a HDD the BIOS does not identify as long as the boot code in
the BIOS works.
Try getting a BIOS update that removes the limit.
Arno
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:16 am
Post subject: Re: PC works fine yet CMOS does not see drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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A little more information the disk is a
Maxtor 6Y160M0
Derek
"Derek F Thompson" <derek.thompson.TakeThisOut@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c0jhmn$eh8$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> Hi
>
> Can anybody help me with this
>
> I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
>
> In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects
the
> CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
>
> Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The PC
> operates OK with windows XP home edition.
>
> In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
> clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
> settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
>
> I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
> detect but it finds nothing.
>
> I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
>
> My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
> drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
> question.
>
> Any ideas
>
> Thanks
> Derek
>
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:27 am
Post subject: Re: PC works fine yet CMOS does not see drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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This a brand new board holding the new AMD 64 processor
Would something this new have a Bios with 128Gb limit.
I cannot find any flash upgrades for it.
Derek
"Arno Wagner" <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson
<derek.thompson RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > Can anybody help me with this
>
> > I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
> > In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects
the
> > CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
> > Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The
PC
> > operates OK with windows XP home edition.
> > In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
> > clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
> > settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
> > I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
> > detect but it finds nothing.
> > I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
> > My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
> > drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
> > question.
>
> Likely the BIOS has a 128GB limit and fails to see the HDD because
> it returns ''incorrect'' status data about itself.
>
> On the other hand the boot-code in the BIOS does not need to care, as
> it just loads the first sector of the HDD and executes it. The boot-code
> does not care about HDD size at all. Although usually the boot code
> is not activated if HDD detection fails. Maybe two different people
> writing the respective pieces of code.
>
> Since modern OSes do not use the BIOS for HDD access, they can work
> with a HDD the BIOS does not identify as long as the boot code in
> the BIOS works.
>
> Try getting a BIOS update that removes the limit.
>
> Arno
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> For email address: lastname AT tik DOT ee DOT ethz DOT ch
> GnuPG: ID:1E25338F FP:0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F
> "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" - Tacitus
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:18 am
Post subject: Re: PC works fine yet CMOS does not see drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson <derek.thompson RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
> This a brand new board holding the new AMD 64 processor
Strange.
> Would something this new have a Bios with 128Gb limit.
Usually not, but you never know. As I said it is also surprising
that it boots. Maybe it is just very buggy....
> I cannot find any flash upgrades for it.
Don't know what else could help. Sorry.
Arno
> "Arno Wagner" <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:c0jpar$180d5b$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson
> <derek.thompson RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>>
>> > Can anybody help me with this
>>
>> > I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
>> > In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects
> the
>> > CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
>> > Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The
> PC
>> > operates OK with windows XP home edition.
>> > In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
>> > clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
>> > settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
>> > I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
>> > detect but it finds nothing.
>> > I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
>> > My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
>> > drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
>> > question.
>>
>> Likely the BIOS has a 128GB limit and fails to see the HDD because
>> it returns ''incorrect'' status data about itself.
>>
>> On the other hand the boot-code in the BIOS does not need to care, as
>> it just loads the first sector of the HDD and executes it. The boot-code
>> does not care about HDD size at all. Although usually the boot code
>> is not activated if HDD detection fails. Maybe two different people
>> writing the respective pieces of code.
>>
>> Since modern OSes do not use the BIOS for HDD access, they can work
>> with a HDD the BIOS does not identify as long as the boot code in
>> the BIOS works.
>>
>> Try getting a BIOS update that removes the limit.
>>
>> Arno
>> --
>> For email address: lastname AT tik DOT ee DOT ethz DOT ch
>> GnuPG: ID:1E25338F FP:0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F
>> "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" - Tacitus
>>
>>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:40 am
Post subject: Re: PC works fine yet CMOS does not see drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Usually IDE1 Master would boot as Drive 0 boot partition.
If problem is understood here, appears your IDE ribbon to drive
configuration or jumper settings are not normal. Maxtor drives are usually
shipped in the Cable Select [CS] jumper position. Boot drive should be at
end of IDE1 ribbon [primary master]. BIOS should be AUTO Detect drive
configuration. As always, other configurations are possible.
Mike. 40213. 11:39pm ET
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"Derek F Thompson" <derek.thompson RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c0jhmn$eh8$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> Hi
>
> Can anybody help me with this
>
> I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
>
> In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects
the
> CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
>
> Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The PC
> operates OK with windows XP home edition.
>
> In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
> clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
> settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
>
> I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
> detect but it finds nothing.
>
> I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
>
> My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
> drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
> question.
>
> Any ideas
>
> Thanks
> Derek
>
>
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:02 pm
Post subject: Re: PC works fine yet CMOS does not see drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Arno Wagner" <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c0jpar$180d5b$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson <derek.thompson.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > Can anybody help me with this
>
> > I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
> > In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects the
> > CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
> > Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The PC
> > operates OK with windows XP home edition.
> > In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
> > clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
> > settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
> > I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
> > detect but it finds nothing.
> > I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
> > My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
> > drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
> > question.
>
> Likely the BIOS has a 128GB limit and fails to see the HDD because
> it returns ''incorrect'' status data about itself.
Such bios would just see 137GB.
>
> On the other hand the boot-code in the BIOS does not need to care, as
> it just loads the first sector of the HDD and executes it. The boot-code
> does not care about HDD size at all. Although usually the boot code
> is not activated if HDD detection fails. Maybe two different people
> writing the respective pieces of code.
>
> Since modern OSes do not use the BIOS for HDD access, they can work
> with a HDD the BIOS does not identify as long as the boot code in
> the BIOS works.
>
> Try getting a BIOS update that removes the limit.
>
> Arno
> --
> For email address: lastname AT tik DOT ee DOT ethz DOT ch
> GnuPG: ID:1E25338F FP:0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F
> "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" - Tacitus
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:21 pm
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"mjh" <hortmike.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:gFhXb.4294$W74.653@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Usually IDE1 Master would boot as Drive 0 boot partition.
Whatever that mumbo jumbo is supposed to mean.
>
> If problem is understood here, appears your IDE ribbon to drive
> configuration or jumper settings are not normal. Maxtor drives
> are usually shipped in the Cable Select [CS] jumper position.
> Boot drive should be at end of IDE1 ribbon [primary master].
> BIOS should be AUTO Detect drive configuration.
> As always, other configurations are possible.
Or in other words, just rambling away.
>
> Mike. 40213. 11:39pm ET
> ..........
>
> "Derek F Thompson" <derek.thompson.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:c0jhmn$eh8$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> > Hi
> >
> > Can anybody help me with this
> >
> > I have an EliteGroup 755-A main board with Phoenix AwardBios.
> >
> > In the Standard CMOS Features setting the IDE Channel 0 Master detects
> > the CD/DVD Drive ... there is no other device is shown.
> >
> > Yet there is a 160 Gb Maxtor hard Drive that is running in this PC. The PC
> > operates OK with windows XP home edition.
> >
> > In the BIOS setup the under the Hard Disk Boot Priority settings I can
> > clearly see that this drive is shown, yet it does not feature in the IDE
> > settings Standard CMOS Features as already mentioned.
> >
> > I have gone into the IDE Devices menu Channel 1 Master and done the Auto
> > detect but it finds nothing.
> >
> > I find this strange as the PC operates OK.
> >
> > My reasons for getting into this is that when use Acronis True Image for
> > drive imaging from a boot disk, it cannot see or detect this C Drive in
> > question.
> >
> > Any ideas
> >
> > Thanks
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:27 am
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to.RemoveThis@myweb.nl> wrote:
> "Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c0jpar$180d5b$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson <derek.thompson.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>>
[...]
>>
>> Likely the BIOS has a 128GB limit and fails to see the HDD because
>> it returns ''incorrect'' status data about itself.
> Such bios would just see 137GB.
Not necessarily. I have an older PC that just fails to see the drive
at all if it is too large. But you are correct that it is 137GB, not
128GB.
Arno
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:55 am
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"Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c0m7cj$18uv2q$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to.TakeThisOut@myweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > "Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c0jpar$180d5b$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Derek F Thompson <derek.thompson.TakeThisOut@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > >
> [...]
> > >
> > > Likely the BIOS has a 128GB limit and fails to see the HDD because
> > > it returns ''incorrect'' status data about itself.
>
> > Such bios would just see 137GB.
>
> Not necessarily. I have an older PC that just fails to see the drive
> at all if it is too large.
That's different, that is a bug, not a natural limit.
A bios that does not support 48-bit addressing but fully supports 28-bit
addressing will look in the standard (ie 28-bit) locations in the drive's
identification sector. The 28-bit location will have the 137GB number.
> But you are correct that it is 137GB, not 128GB.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:20 am
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Of course it's 137 "industry GB", same as 128 "programmer's GB".
"Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Not necessarily. I have an older PC that just fails to see the drive
> at all if it is too large. But you are correct that it is 137GB, not
> 128GB.
>
> Arno
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:58 pm
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Alexander Grigoriev <alegr.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Of course it's 137 "industry GB", same as 128 "programmer's GB".
Actually it is 137GB and 128GiB, see
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html" target="_blank">http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html</a>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:08 pm
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On 14 Feb 2004 22:27:31 GMT, Arno Wagner <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
>Not necessarily. I have an older PC that just fails to see the drive
>at all if it is too large. But you are correct that it is 137GB, not
>128GB.
>
128GB (binary) = 137GB (decimal)
it depends whether 1k = 1024 (2^10) or 1000.
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