PCI Graphics

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:25:31 +0100, "Paul" <g RemoveThis @g.com> wrote:

 >My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed that it
 >won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.8GHz
 >processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However the system
 >does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI graphics?
 >
 >With PCI is it just a case of installing the card then disablig on-board
 >graphics? Also what card would anyone recommend, the card needs to be cheap,
 >a maximum of £50-60 and would like it to be in England i.e. in £'s.
 >
 >The few cards I have seen have been:
 >
 >XFX Geforce Fx5200 128MB
 >http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=519327387&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=54893
 >
 >Hightech ATI Radeon 9200 128MB PCI
 >http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=523572504&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=55273
 >
 >PowerColor Radeon 9200 256MB DDR PCI
 >http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=122748&cks=PRL
 >
 >Would any of these work? Would any of them be particularly faster than
 >another and what limitations would there be of having a PCI graphics card?
 >
 >Thanks very much in advance
 >
 >Paul

Well, I really wouldn't suggest you that nVidia card. For those 9200,
they are ok. MAybe it would be better to buy an 9600. I don't
know..... anyway, never buy already built PC-s.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:25:31 +0100, "Paul" <g.TakeThisOut@g.com> wrote:

 >My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed that it
 >won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.8GHz
 >processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However the system
 >does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI graphics?
 >
 >With PCI is it just a case of installing the card then disablig on-board
 >graphics?

There may be a setting in the bios as to which video to initialize
first... if there is video on the monitor when connected to the card, the
setting is correct or auto-set by bios. You may also have bios setting to
disable onboard video, but if not then set video memory allocation to
minimum value.


Also what card would anyone recommend, the card needs to be cheap,
 >a maximum of £50-60 and would like it to be in England i.e. in £'s.
 >
 >The few cards I have seen have been:
 >
 >XFX Geforce Fx5200 128MB
 >http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=519327387&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=54893
 >
 >Hightech ATI Radeon 9200 128MB PCI
 >http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=523572504&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=55273
 >
 >PowerColor Radeon 9200 256MB DDR PCI
 >http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=122748&cks=PRL
 >
 >Would any of these work? Would any of them be particularly faster than
 >another and what limitations would there be of having a PCI graphics card?

I have no idea what level of video performance is needed for "Thief
Deadly Shadows". If there's an online gamers forum where you can avoid
those that claim a Radeon 9800 is needed for everything, ask around about
what kind of framrates can be expected at desired resolution and eye
candy.

The Radeon 9200 (Non-"SE" versions) are the better choice. FX5600/5700
might be faster but are probably out of the price range.

PCI video is a bit slower in general per same card chipset, and puts a lot
of traffic on PCI bus. If you have other needs like video capture with a
PCI capture card, it might be a problem while gaming with a PCI video
card. Some sound cards also hog PCI bus, you'd have to try it and see, in
general it is the best solution you have for better video, except the much
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"Jon Danniken" <jonREMOVETHISdanniken DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > "Paul" wrote:
  > > My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed
that it
  > > won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.8GHz
  > > processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However the
system
  > > does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI
graphics?
 >
 > What error messages are you receiving?
 >
 > Jon

When you click on check graphics cards when you load theif you get:

Graphics Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics controller

Driver Version: 6.14.10.3762
Pixel shader version: 0.0
DirectX version 9.0b

Ensure the computer has the latest drivers for its graphics card.

PROBLEM: This computer's graphics card does not claim to support
pixel shaders. If you are certain the graphics card supports pixels
shaders, try installing newer drivers.

When you try and run the game it says:

Flesh failed to initialize.
Please check that you have:
1)Have a supported video card
2)Have current video drivers
3)Have all required shader files
4)Have all required texture data

Downloaded and installed latest drivers from intel but still no luck.

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"Paul" <g RemoveThis @g.com> wrote in message news:yZzyc.17$V4.11@newsfe2-win...
 > My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed that
it
 > won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.8GHz
 > processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However the
system
 > does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI graphics?

This is why you should never buy name brand computers, there's always a
catch built in.

In answer to your question, I don't think you will have much luck running a
new game on a PCI card. You might be able to buy a new case, motherboard and
graphics card and transfer all the other bits over.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:41:10 +1000, "Michael Culley" <mike.DeleteThis@nospam.com>
wrote:

 >"Paul" <g.DeleteThis@g.com> wrote in message news:yZzyc.17$V4.11@newsfe2-win...
  >> My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed that
 >it
  >> won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.8GHz
  >> processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However the
 >system
  >> does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI graphics?
 >
 >This is why you should never buy name brand computers, there's always a
 >catch built in.
Only true for the uninformed. There are many no-name computers that suck,
too.
 >
 >In answer to your question, I don't think you will have much luck running a
 >new game on a PCI card. You might be able to buy a new case, motherboard and
 >graphics card and transfer all the other bits over.
I agree.
 >
 >Michael Culley
 >
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"Paul" wrote:
 > "Jon Danniken" wrote:
  > > "Paul" wrote:
   > > > My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed that it
   > > > won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.8GHz
   > > > processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However the system
   > > > does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI graphics?
  > >
  > > What error messages are you receiving?
  > >
  > > Jon
 >
 > When you click on check graphics cards when you load theif you get:

 >
 > PROBLEM: This computer's graphics card does not claim to support
 > pixel shaders. If you are certain the graphics card supports pixels
 > shaders, try installing newer drivers.
 >
 > Downloaded and installed latest drivers from intel but still no luck.

Well, then, you've ruled out everything else. Here is a link concerning a number of candidates that are
available to you::

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445" target="_blank">http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445</a>

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"Duddits" <Duddits RemoveThis @Dreamcatcher.com> wrote in message
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 > Only true for the uninformed. There are many no-name computers that suck,
 > too.

True, but all name brand computers suck where only some no-name computers
suck. So at least you've got a better chance with no-names. And if you buy a
sucky no-name you've got a better chance of being able to fix it.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:55:48 +1000 As another one bit the dust
"Michael Culley" <mike DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote :

 >"Duddits" <Duddits DeleteThis @Dreamcatcher.com> wrote in message
 >news:iu1mc09va7a38t9v347hhrpro1ko6fhkge@4ax.com...
  >> Only true for the uninformed. There are many no-name computers that suck,
  >> too.
 >
 >True, but all name brand computers suck

Dell make superb systems.Ergo you are wrong.
Rethink your braintabase.



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"Shep©" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
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 > Dell make superb systems.Ergo you are wrong.
 > Rethink your braintabase.

"Memory
256MB Shared PC2700 DDR-SDRAM at 333MHz (Between 32 and 64MB of system
memory may be allocated to support graphics, depending on system memory size
and other factors."

Less than 30 seconds on dell website and I found this little gem. Onboard
graphics is sucky and would most likely have given the OP the same problem
had they used a dell. The use of onboard sound, video, IDE, network etc is
all fine but on board graphics always sucks. The case is also sucky because
you can't add the standard beige items without it looking like crap. Most
likely they don't give you the original xp cds and I'm sure I could find
some other sucky features if I had one in front of me.

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"Jon Danniken" <jonREMOVETHISdanniken.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > "Paul" wrote:
  > > "Jon Danniken" wrote:
   > > > "Paul" wrote:
   > > > > My brother has just bought Thief Deadly Shadows and is quite annoyed
that it
   > > > > won't run on the home PC. The PC is a Dell Dimension 2400 with
2.8GHz
   > > > > processor, 512MB RAM and Intel extreme on board graphics. However
the system
   > > > > does not have an AGP slot so I'm thinking that limits it to PCI
graphics?
   > > >
   > > > What error messages are you receiving?
   > > >
   > > > Jon
  > >
  > > When you click on check graphics cards when you load theif you get:
 >
  > >
  > > PROBLEM: This computer's graphics card does not claim to support
  > > pixel shaders. If you are certain the graphics card supports
pixels
  > > shaders, try installing newer drivers.
  > >
  > > Downloaded and installed latest drivers from intel but still no luck.
 >
 > Well, then, you've ruled out everything else. Here is a link concerning
a number of candidates that are
 > available to you::
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445</font" target="_blank">http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445</font</a>>
 >
 > Jon
 >

Thanks, been looking for somthing like that!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Shep©" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:55:48 +1000 As another one bit the dust
 > "Michael Culley" <mike DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote :
 >
  > >"Duddits" <Duddits DeleteThis @Dreamcatcher.com> wrote in message
  > >news:iu1mc09va7a38t9v347hhrpro1ko6fhkge@4ax.com...
   > >> Only true for the uninformed. There are many no-name computers that
suck,
   > >> too.
  > >
  > >True, but all name brand computers suck
 >
 > Dell make superb systems.Ergo you are wrong.
 > Rethink your braintabase.
 >
Possibly, but they are best known for mediocre machines that are made for a
price point. It would be a real stretch calling their typical system which
uses a cheepo chipset and onboard video a "suberb system"...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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