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"Ed Light" <nobody.TakeThisOut@nobody.there> wrote in message
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 > I'm interested too. Mobile 2200+ 35w, as a 3000+.

Wimp Your CPU is good for *way* more than 3000+ speeds. Should do
2400MHz or more, I would think.

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"Chip" <anneonymouse.TakeThisOut@virgin.net> wrote in message
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 > "Ed Light" <nobody.TakeThisOut@nobody.there> wrote in message
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  >> I'm interested too. Mobile 2200+ 35w, as a 3000+.
 >
 > Wimp Your CPU is good for *way* more than 3000+ speeds. Should do
 > 2400MHz or more, I would think.
 >
 > Chip

Well, I want to keep it quiet. I tried going on up a step to 1.65v and 3200+
but when running 3d stuff it got hotter than I'd like, so I would have to
crawl around the back under the desk and wick up the panaflo 80mm fan that's
sucking the heat from my cpu (through a duct) to over it's quiet 2350 rpm.
Too much trouble. I know, I ought to mount a forward fan control!
Eventually. I can't move the Zalman Fan Mate I put at the back because I
epoxied it in.

However, by following this group, I was able to set it up with CrystalCPUID
so that it runs as if it has cool 'n quiet. If I start that up it runs at
500mhz unless duty calls, then it can go up through 1250 to 2083.

With all the cpu heat going out the back, my system right now (cold day) is
20C. If I run prime 95 it won't get any higher. If I do 3d the video card
warms it up a bit -- but on my next one I'll put a vga silencer and blow all
that out the back too. Maybe then I can run the cpu a little faster since it
will get colder air during 3d.
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I have a 90nm 3500 which i can overclock to 235 FSB (HTT),at 1.40 volts. It
will go higher at 1.425 volts but i keep it lower. I am using a Gigabyte rocket
3D cooler in a Lian Li lauminum case with 2 front fans and 1 rear fan and it
stays at 29 C in a room thats 75 F. I am really impresed with the 90NM CPU's
performance at the highest overclock 255 it will do 6950 in sandra memory
benches. DOUG
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 >I have a 90nm 3500 which i can overclock to 235 FSB (HTT),at 1.40 volts. It
 > will go higher at 1.425 volts but i keep it lower. I am using a Gigabyte
 > rocket
 > 3D cooler in a Lian Li lauminum case with 2 front fans and 1 rear fan and
 > it
 > stays at 29 C in a room thats 75 F. I am really impresed with the 90NM
 > CPU's
 > performance at the highest overclock 255 it will do 6950 in sandra memory
 > benches. DOUG

If you mean 29C idle temps, then with the greatest respect, that doesn't
mean a lot. Since the CPU isn't drawing much current when its idling and
you wouldn't expect it to get very warm anyway.

If on the other hand, you mean it only reaches 29C under load, then I am
afraid you are mistaken. With a room temperature of 24C and therefore a
delta of 5C only that would mean your heatsink / fan is approximately four
times more efficient than anything else on the market. Which is impossible.

Under load, the very lowest possible temperature your CPU can possibly be is
46C. That assumes class-leading heatsink performance and a case temp
identical to your room temp (which is also impossible, actually). More
realistically the load temp is probably mid-50's. If your sensors are
saying 29C, they are miscalibrated.

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"Chip" <anneonymouse RemoveThis @virgin.net> wrote in message
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 > "Courseyauto" <courseyauto RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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  >>I have a 90nm 3500 which i can overclock to 235 FSB (HTT),at 1.40 volts.
  >>It
  >> will go higher at 1.425 volts but i keep it lower. I am using a Gigabyte
  >> rocket
  >> 3D cooler in a Lian Li lauminum case with 2 front fans and 1 rear fan and
  >> it
  >> stays at 29 C in a room thats 75 F. I am really impresed with the 90NM
  >> CPU's
  >> performance at the highest overclock 255 it will do 6950 in sandra
  >> memory
  >> benches. DOUG
 >
 > If you mean 29C idle temps, then with the greatest respect, that doesn't
 > mean a lot. Since the CPU isn't drawing much current when its idling and
 > you wouldn't expect it to get very warm anyway.
 >
 > If on the other hand, you mean it only reaches 29C under load, then I am
 > afraid you are mistaken. With a room temperature of 24C and therefore a
 > delta of 5C only that would mean your heatsink / fan is approximately four
 > times more efficient than anything else on the market. Which is
 > impossible.
 >
 > Under load, the very lowest possible temperature your CPU can possibly be
 > is 46C. That assumes class-leading heatsink performance and a case temp
 > identical to your room temp (which is also impossible, actually). More
 > realistically the load temp is probably mid-50's. If your sensors are
 > saying 29C, they are miscalibrated.

EDIT: Correction. I see the 90nm part has a thermal output of around 70w
at 1.4v under load. This will rise to perhaps 80w at 235MHz I would think.
So my figures above are a little high. The lowest possible load temp is
therefore around 42C, and more likely low 50's.

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If you mean 29C idle temps, then with the greatest respect, that doesn't
mean a lot. Since the CPU isn't drawing much current when its idling and
you wouldn't expect it to get very warm anyway.

 >If on the other hand, you mean it only reaches 29C under load, then I am
afraid you are mistaken. With a room temperature of 24C and therefore a
delta of 5C only that would mean your heatsink / fan is approximately four
 >times more efficient than anything else on the market. Which is impossible.

Under load, the very lowest possible temperature your CPU can possibly be is
 >46C. That assumes class-leading heatsink performance and a case temp
identical to your room temp (which is also impossible, actually). More
 >realistically the load temp is probably mid-50's. If your sensors are
saying 29C, they are miscalibrated.

 >Chip

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 >EDIT: Correction. I see the 90nm part has a thermal output of around 70w
at 1.4v under load. This will rise to perhaps 80w at 235MHz I would think.
 >So my figures above are a little high. The lowest possible load temp is
therefore around 42C, and more likely low 50's.

 >Chip


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  >>EDIT: Correction. I see the 90nm part has a thermal output of around 70w
 > at 1.4v under load. This will rise to perhaps 80w at 235MHz I would
 > think.
  >>So my figures above are a little high. The lowest possible load temp is
 > therefore around 42C, and more likely low 50's.
 >
  >>Chip
 >
 >
 > Correction-39 C idle and 42 C load after 3 D mark.

42C is just about believable after 3d mark - since its not taxing the CPU
100%. I wonder what your load temps would be after 1 hr of "toast.exe"?
And it needs a full hour for your case and all the components in it to come
up to temp. Probably nearer 50C I would think. Your temp sensors may well
report less though: motherboard manufacturers have a tendency to calibrate
the sensors to report lower temps: it keeps their customers happy. LOL.

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Got my mobile 2500 running at 2.5ghz, with a Zalman 7000A cu cooler,
cant even hear it and it keeps it under 50c load.


On 09 Nov 2004 01:15:34 GMT, courseyauto RemoveThis @aol.com (Courseyauto) wrote:

 >I have a 90nm 3500 which i can overclock to 235 FSB (HTT),at 1.40 volts. It
 >will go higher at 1.425 volts but i keep it lower. I am using a Gigabyte rocket
 >3D cooler in a Lian Li lauminum case with 2 front fans and 1 rear fan and it
 >stays at 29 C in a room thats 75 F. I am really impresed with the 90NM CPU's
 >performance at the highest overclock 255 it will do 6950 in sandra memory
 >benches. DOUG<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >
 >
 > Got my mobile 2500 running at 2.5ghz, with a Zalman 7000A cu cooler,
 > cant even hear it and it keeps it under 50c load.

That's nice. Not sure if it would fit on my board. Plus I'd be back to
having cpu heat in the case. I'll probably just get a front fan controller
set up, if I need more speed.


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 >42C is just about believable after 3d mark - since its not taxing the CPU
100%. I wonder what your load temps would be after 1 hr of "toast.exe"?
And it needs a full hour for your case and all the components in it to come
 >up to temp. Probably nearer 50C I would think. Your temp sensors may well
report less though: motherboard manufacturers have a tendency to calibrate
the sensors to report lower temps: it keeps their customers >happy. LOL.

Cheers

 >Chip


Why would i run toast.exe or prime 95,i only use things that are useful,like my
flight sim and a road racing game. To me those test are of no value. I use
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 >EDIT: Correction. I see the 90nm part has a thermal output of >around 70w
 >at 1.4v under load. This will rise to perhaps 80w at 235MHz I >would think.
 >So my figures above are a little high. The lowest possible load >temp is
 >therefore around 42C, and more likely low 50's.

 >Chip

Heres a review of the cooler i have on an XP3200 that is running at Least 1.5
volts and keeps the CPU slamed 24/7. It should answer your questions. Remember
mine is running at 1.4 volts and in a cooler room.



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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:16:18 +0000, Courseyauto wrote:

 >
  >>EDIT: Correction. I see the 90nm part has a thermal output of >around 70w
  >>at 1.4v under load. This will rise to perhaps 80w at 235MHz I >would think.
  >>So my figures above are a little high. The lowest possible load >temp is
  >>therefore around 42C, and more likely low 50's.
 >
  >>Chip
 >
 > Heres a review of the cooler i have on an XP3200 that is running at Least 1.5
 > volts and keeps the CPU slamed 24/7. It should answer your questions. Remember
 > mine is running at 1.4 volts and in a cooler room.
 >
 >
 >
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From my experiences with testing coolers, I wouldn't believe one thing in
this review. Here's just a couple of things in it that give it away..

First, out of curiosity, I tried the stock AMD cooler that came with the
XP3200 (aluminium fins and 60mm fan). I was surprised, it gave me exactly
the same temperatures as the SLK-800.

Everyone should knows that's BS. And then this after installing the new
cooler.

I was getting a CPU temperature of 65C. I let it run for 20 minutes, then observed this:
CPU temperature of 47C and case temperature of 37C

Need I say more.

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