|
Next: 9600XT and Driver problems (Black Screen)
|
| Author |
Message |
External
Since: Jan 09, 2005
Posts: 29
|
(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:43 pm
Post subject: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800?
Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>videocards>ati (more info?)
|
|
|
When is a separate power connector to the main power supply of
the PC required for an X800 video card? I purchased an X800 SE
and the seller is claiming that no external power connection is
required to use the card. ATI's own documentation is
ambiguous. It begs the question by giving directions like "If
your card requires an external power connection...." How can
you tell which type you have?
--
Will
Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
 | |
External
Since: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 9
|
(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
If the card has an external power connection it is needed. The reason the
ATI instructions are vague is they cover a multitude of different cards. The
seller is telling you wrong.
--
"Will" <DELETE_westes RemoveThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
news:taSdnQff9eL7a4XfRVn-2g@giganews.com...
> When is a separate power connector to the main power supply of
> the PC required for an X800 video card? I purchased an X800 SE
> and the seller is claiming that no external power connection is
> required to use the card. ATI's own documentation is
> ambiguous. It begs the question by giving directions like "If
> your card requires an external power connection...." How can
> you tell which type you have?
>
> --
> Will
> Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 05, 2004
Posts: 281
|
(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:43:17 -0800, "Will"
<DELETE_westes DeleteThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote:
>When is a separate power connector to the main power supply of
>the PC required for an X800 video card? I purchased an X800 SE
>and the seller is claiming that no external power connection is
>required to use the card. ATI's own documentation is
>ambiguous. It begs the question by giving directions like "If
>your card requires an external power connection...." How can
>you tell which type you have?
I'm not aware of any x800 that does not have a full MOLEX connector.
Are you saying that yours does not have a connector ?
Or if it does - use it, and make sure nothing else [ other than the
video card ] is connected to that cable.
Which card do you have ?
ΈτΆσ<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Dec 30, 2004
Posts: 75
|
(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
borolad DeleteThis @myowseintheboro.org wrote:
> I'm not aware of any x800 that does not have a full MOLEX connector.
X800XL. I think it's the only one though (although that'll probably bite me
like it bit you :-p)
I didn't plug the molex connector into my 9800 Pro on a brand new built,
nearly crapped myself when the computer starting beeping at me like it was
about to have a heart attack.
Ben
--
A7N8X FAQ: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html" target="_blank">www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html</a>
Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups.
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 09, 2005
Posts: 29
|
(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
What functions will the external power connection provide?
What would be the expected behavior of the card if the power is
not plugged in? The seller is claiming he tested the card
without supply an external power connection.
--
Will
Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
"Dave" <a.TakeThisOut@a.com> wrote in message
news:aU6Sd.43191$XY5.5202@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> If the card has an external power connection it is needed. The
reason the
> ATI instructions are vague is they cover a multitude of
different cards. The
> seller is telling you wrong.
>
> --
>
> "Will" <DELETE_westes.TakeThisOut@earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
> news:taSdnQff9eL7a4XfRVn-2g@giganews.com...
> > When is a separate power connector to the main power supply
of
> > the PC required for an X800 video card? I purchased an
X800 SE
> > and the seller is claiming that no external power connection
is
> > required to use the card. ATI's own documentation is
> > ambiguous. It begs the question by giving directions like
"If
> > your card requires an external power connection...." How
can
> > you tell which type you have?
> >
> > --
> > Will
> > Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
> >
> >
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 9
|
(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
The function of the connector is to supply the power needed by the GPU. The
mobo traces going into the AGP slot are not wide enough to carry the current
needed by the modern processors. Much the same is the ATX 12 V connectors on
modern MOBO near the CPU to provide power. IT WILL NOT WORK WITHOUT THE
POWER CONNECTOR AND YOU MAY FRY YOUR MOBO TRYING. What is the big deal
anyway, hook it up and be done with it already.
--
"Will" <DELETE_westes DeleteThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
news:isKdnVWIpIlHnYTfRVn-vg@giganews.com...
> What functions will the external power connection provide?
> What would be the expected behavior of the card if the power is
> not plugged in? The seller is claiming he tested the card
> without supply an external power connection.
>
> --
> Will
> Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
>
>
>
> "Dave" <a DeleteThis @a.com> wrote in message
> news:aU6Sd.43191$XY5.5202@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>> If the card has an external power connection it is needed. The
> reason the
>> ATI instructions are vague is they cover a multitude of
> different cards. The
>> seller is telling you wrong.
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Will" <DELETE_westes DeleteThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
>> news:taSdnQff9eL7a4XfRVn-2g@giganews.com...
>> > When is a separate power connector to the main power supply
> of
>> > the PC required for an X800 video card? I purchased an
> X800 SE
>> > and the seller is claiming that no external power connection
> is
>> > required to use the card. ATI's own documentation is
>> > ambiguous. It begs the question by giving directions like
> "If
>> > your card requires an external power connection...." How
> can
>> > you tell which type you have?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will
>> > Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 09, 2005
Posts: 29
|
(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Does this change with PCI Express?
I can't hook it up because I don't have the cable yet.
--
Will
Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
"Dave" <a.TakeThisOut@a.com> wrote in message
news:qN7Sd.43352$XY5.1455@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> The function of the connector is to supply the power needed by
the GPU. The
> mobo traces going into the AGP slot are not wide enough to
carry the current
> needed by the modern processors. Much the same is the ATX 12 V
connectors on
> modern MOBO near the CPU to provide power. IT WILL NOT WORK
WITHOUT THE
> POWER CONNECTOR AND YOU MAY FRY YOUR MOBO TRYING. What is the
big deal
> anyway, hook it up and be done with it already.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 9
|
(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
PCI-e supplies more power, but still not enough for the most power hungry
chips, most still have the external floppy connector on them. They have the
cable you nedd at any store that sells computer equipment. even Wal mart has
the splitter cables.
--
"Will" <DELETE_westes DeleteThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
news:ZJKdnSPWxPOLkYTfRVn-rg@giganews.com...
> Does this change with PCI Express?
>
> I can't hook it up because I don't have the cable yet.
>
> --
> Will
> Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
>
>
> "Dave" <a DeleteThis @a.com> wrote in message
> news:qN7Sd.43352$XY5.1455@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>> The function of the connector is to supply the power needed by
> the GPU. The
>> mobo traces going into the AGP slot are not wide enough to
> carry the current
>> needed by the modern processors. Much the same is the ATX 12 V
> connectors on
>> modern MOBO near the CPU to provide power. IT WILL NOT WORK
> WITHOUT THE
>> POWER CONNECTOR AND YOU MAY FRY YOUR MOBO TRYING. What is the
> big deal
>> anyway, hook it up and be done with it already.
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jul 05, 2004
Posts: 281
|
(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:42:26 -0000, "Ben Pope"
<ben_popeREMOVE_ME.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>borolad@myowseintheboro.org wrote:
>> I'm not aware of any x800 that does not have a full MOLEX connector.
>X800XL. I think it's the only one though (although that'll probably bite me
>like it bit you :-p)
>I didn't plug the molex connector into my 9800 Pro on a brand new built,
>nearly crapped myself when the computer starting beeping at me like it was
>about to have a heart attack.
Can't see how it will handle the wattage, and yes it ' bit ' me. I
know ASUS don't follow the ATi spec on power supply.
I'll have another think ! Cheers Ben M8
>Ben<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Dec 30, 2004
Posts: 75
|
(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
borolad DeleteThis @myowseintheboro.org wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:42:26 -0000, "Ben Pope"
> <ben_popeREMOVE_ME DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> borolad DeleteThis @myowseintheboro.org wrote:
>>> I'm not aware of any x800 that does not have a full MOLEX connector.
>
>> X800XL. I think it's the only one though (although that'll probably
>> bite me like it bit you :-p)
>
> Can't see how it will handle the wattage, and yes it ' bit ' me. I
> know ASUS don't follow the ATi spec on power supply.
AFAIK it's on an 110nm process (albeit not SOI), so it should be quite good
with power requirements.
It's not just an Asus product,
Sapphire have them:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/x800-xl.asp" target="_blank">http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/x800-xl.asp</a>
Powercolor:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.power-color.com/PCIE_X800_R43C-TVD3D.htm" target="_blank">http://www.power-color.com/PCIE_X800_R43C-TVD3D.htm</a>
Gigabyte:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-RX80L256V.htm" target="_blank">http://www.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-RX80L256V.htm</a>
err... probably others.
Ben
--
A7N8X FAQ: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html" target="_blank">www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html</a>
Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups.
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Feb 18, 2005
Posts: 53
|
(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
In article <taSdnQff9eL7a4XfRVn-2g.DeleteThis@giganews.com>, Will says...
> When is a separate power connector to the main power supply of
> the PC required for an X800 video card? I purchased an X800 SE
> and the seller is claiming that no external power connection is
> required to use the card. ATI's own documentation is
> ambiguous. It begs the question by giving directions like "If
> your card requires an external power connection...." How can
> you tell which type you have?
>
You need to use it when using 3D.
--
Conor
An imperfect plan executed violently is far superior to a perfect plan.
-- George Patton<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: May 05, 2004
Posts: 12
|
(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:51 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
"Will" <DELETE_westes DeleteThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
news:ZJKdnSPWxPOLkYTfRVn-rg@giganews.com...
> Does this change with PCI Express?
>
> I can't hook it up because I don't have the cable yet.
If it's anything like the 9800 Pro, it just uses a standard 3.5" floppy
drive connector; you don't need the big splitter/5.25" converter that ATI
includes (but remember to NOT install the connector backwards - something
that can be done if you try hard enough with the 3.5" type connector - or
you'll fry the card!).
- Daniel<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 09, 2005
Posts: 29
|
(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:04 am
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
If you don't use the external power cable on a PCI-E RADEON X800,
what is the result? With AGP I guess the card will sound an
alarm condition at power on. With PCI-E I gather the board will
power on okay and the motherboard will continue to work. But
will the GPU run at a lower speed?
--
Will
Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
"Dave" <a RemoveThis @a.com> wrote in message
news:PY7Sd.43358$XY5.11019@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> PCI-e supplies more power, but still not enough for the most
power hungry
> chips, most still have the external floppy connector on them.
They have the
> cable you nedd at any store that sells computer equipment. even
Wal mart has
> the splitter cables.
>
> --
>
> "Will" <DELETE_westes RemoveThis @earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
> news:ZJKdnSPWxPOLkYTfRVn-rg@giganews.com...
> > Does this change with PCI Express?
> >
> > I can't hook it up because I don't have the cable yet.
> >
> > --
> > Will
> > Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <a RemoveThis @a.com> wrote in message
> > news:qN7Sd.43352$XY5.1455@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> >> The function of the connector is to supply the power needed
by
> > the GPU. The
> >> mobo traces going into the AGP slot are not wide enough to
> > carry the current
> >> needed by the modern processors. Much the same is the ATX 12
V
> > connectors on
> >> modern MOBO near the CPU to provide power. IT WILL NOT WORK
> > WITHOUT THE
> >> POWER CONNECTOR AND YOU MAY FRY YOUR MOBO TRYING. What is
the
> > big deal
> >> anyway, hook it up and be done with it already.
> >
> >
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 9
|
(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:35 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
READ THIS, IT WILL NOT WORK, THERE IS A SECTION ON PCI-E, CLEARLY STATES
WILL EMIT BEEPS AND NOT BOOT
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ati.com/support/manualpdf/Getting_Startedx800.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ati.com/support/manualpdf/Getting_Startedx800.pdf</a>
--
"Will" <DELETE_westes.DeleteThis@earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
news:XOWdnUzfh9lWWIHfRVn-sA@giganews.com...
> If you don't use the external power cable on a PCI-E RADEON X800,
> what is the result? With AGP I guess the card will sound an
> alarm condition at power on. With PCI-E I gather the board will
> power on okay and the motherboard will continue to work. But
> will the GPU run at a lower speed?
>
> --
> Will
> Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
>
> "Dave" <a.DeleteThis@a.com> wrote in message
> news:PY7Sd.43358$XY5.11019@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>> PCI-e supplies more power, but still not enough for the most
> power hungry
>> chips, most still have the external floppy connector on them.
> They have the
>> cable you nedd at any store that sells computer equipment. even
> Wal mart has
>> the splitter cables.
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Will" <DELETE_westes.DeleteThis@earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
>> news:ZJKdnSPWxPOLkYTfRVn-rg@giganews.com...
>> > Does this change with PCI Express?
>> >
>> > I can't hook it up because I don't have the cable yet.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will
>> > Internet: westes at earthbroadcast.com
>> >
>> >
>> > "Dave" <a.DeleteThis@a.com> wrote in message
>> > news:qN7Sd.43352$XY5.1455@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>> >> The function of the connector is to supply the power needed
> by
>> > the GPU. The
>> >> mobo traces going into the AGP slot are not wide enough to
>> > carry the current
>> >> needed by the modern processors. Much the same is the ATX 12
> V
>> > connectors on
>> >> modern MOBO near the CPU to provide power. IT WILL NOT WORK
>> > WITHOUT THE
>> >> POWER CONNECTOR AND YOU MAY FRY YOUR MOBO TRYING. What is
> the
>> > big deal
>> >> anyway, hook it up and be done with it already.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 09, 2005
Posts: 29
|
(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
p. 16 under Advanced Installation PCIe begs the question because it leaves
open that some kinds of cards won't need the power connector (without giving
you any clue about which models don't need it!).
Every RADEON I have ever used has required the power connector. However
every seller on eBay of X800 SE cards is not including any power connector,
and so far every one of three sellers of those cards has claimed that they
used the cards successfully without a separate power cable.
--
Will
"Dave" <a.DeleteThis@a.com> wrote in message
news:nd9Td.3361$Be4.2228@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> READ THIS, IT WILL NOT WORK, THERE IS A SECTION ON PCI-E, CLEARLY STATES
> WILL EMIT BEEPS AND NOT BOOT
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ati.com/support/manualpdf/Getting_Startedx800.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.ati.com/support/manualpdf/Getting_Startedx800.pdf</font</a>><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: When Is Power Cable Required on RADEON X800? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
FAQ
Profile
Private Messages
Log in
