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Travis King

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:55 pm
Post subject: Power supply volts
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About where is a good level for the +12v rail? I'm assuming within a
percent or two is good.
My 400-watt CompUSA power supply is getting between 11.904 and 11.968. I'm
using an Ati x1600 AGP 8x video card, which requires an extra 4-pin molex
connection from the power supply. The +12v was the same before I got the
video card. My +5v is getting 5.053, my +3.3v is getting 3.344, and my
VCore is getting 1.392 to 1.408 (I have a Sempron 64 2800+).

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:55 pm
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In article <__x5g.130391$oL.29036@attbi_s71>, "Travis King"
<Anonymous DeleteThis @none.com> wrote:

> About where is a good level for the +12v rail? I'm assuming within a
> percent or two is good.
> My 400-watt CompUSA power supply is getting between 11.904 and 11.968. I'm
> using an Ati x1600 AGP 8x video card, which requires an extra 4-pin molex
> connection from the power supply. The +12v was the same before I got the
> video card. My +5v is getting 5.053, my +3.3v is getting 3.344, and my
> VCore is getting 1.392 to 1.408 (I have a Sempron 64 2800+).

If you check the side of the supply, you are allowed 5% variance.
If you check the voltages with a multimeter, in many cases the
voltages are pretty close to the required values. The monitor
chip on the motherboard is not a "perfect voltmeter". Your 12V
is within 1%, and that is excellent. You can sleep well tonight.

Vcore is created by a circuit on the motherboard, so the
motherboard is responsible for the voltage value. The
processor specifications have a "load line" with "droop"
designed in - the voltage is allowed and is expected to
drop when the CPU runs at 100%. So do not be alarmed if
you see the value change when you put a load on the
processor. In round numbers, the voltage may be allowed
to drop by 0.2V at full load, just to give you some idea
of what a big drop would be.

Since AMD has Cool N' Quiet, the VID (voltage ID) pins
are dynamic, and can be programmed on the fly. When there
is little load on the processor, Vcore can be commanded to
drop down to 1.1V or so. If you see values like that,
it means your processor is conserving power for you.
Again, nothing to be alarmed at.

And, what that means, in summary, is you have to know
what your processor is doing (busy or idle), to know
whether the voltage happens to be too low at a given
point in time. If the processor is busy (running Prime95
for example), and you measured 1.1V for Vcore, that would
be bad. If Windows was idle, then seeing a reading of
1.1V would not be so bad, because CNQ turned it down
on purpose, to keep things cool. If I had a processor
like that, I probably would not bother looking at the
measured value, unless the machine was crashing all the
time.

Paul

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Roger Hamlett

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:55 am
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"Travis King" <Anonymous.DeleteThis@none.com> wrote in message
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> About where is a good level for the +12v rail? I'm assuming within a
> percent or two is good.
> My 400-watt CompUSA power supply is getting between 11.904 and 11.968.
> I'm using an Ati x1600 AGP 8x video card, which requires an extra 4-pin
> molex connection from the power supply. The +12v was the same before I
> got the video card. My +5v is getting 5.053, my +3.3v is getting 3.344,
> and my VCore is getting 1.392 to 1.408 (I have a Sempron 64 2800+).
First, unless you have a recently calibrated 5 digit DVM, you can forget
the last couple of digits in the figures!. The voltage measurement systems
on PC's, contain several parts, which have 1% or less individual
accuracies, and these will degrade/change with time, so the figures
themselves are not accurate to the levels shown...
The figures are useful for 'comparison', but not really for accurate
measurement of the rails.
The specification, is for the voltages at the actual ATX connector, and
the internal measurement system, will typically give slightly 'lower'
voltages, because of the droop inside the motherboard itself.
The original PC spec, allowed +/- 10% on the supply rails. This was latter
tightened to +/-7%, and then to +/-5%. Currently supplies should maintain
+/-5%, on all rails, except the -12v (rail is removed on the latest spec),
which is still allowed +/-10%. The 12v rail is also still allowed to go to
+/-10% at peak loading (min 11v though).

Best Wishes
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Mark A

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:55 am
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> "Travis King" <Anonymous.RemoveThis@none.com> wrote in message
> news:__x5g.130391$oL.29036@attbi_s71...
>> About where is a good level for the +12v rail? I'm assuming within a
>> percent or two is good.
>> My 400-watt CompUSA power supply is getting between 11.904 and 11.968.
>> I'm using an Ati x1600 AGP 8x video card, which requires an extra 4-pin
>> molex connection from the power supply. The +12v was the same before I
>> got the video card. My +5v is getting 5.053, my +3.3v is getting 3.344,
>> and my VCore is getting 1.392 to 1.408 (I have a Sempron 64 2800+).

Anything within 5% is within specifications and will not cause any problems.
Your PSU voltages are more accurate than most.

However, the built-in voltage meters in PC's are not very accurate, so I
would use a digital multimeter on one of your 12V Molex connectors if you
want to know what the actual voltage is.
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