Q6600 "safe" temps?

~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh interweb Ed Medlin typed:
snip
> Hi Ed,
>
> Yeah, when I was looking at those cases so as to be able to give an informed
> reply the first thing that came to mind was liquid cooling. They seem like
> an excellent choice for that purpose. I'm still not convinced that they're a
> great choice for an overclocked quad CPU on air though.

Hi Shaun,
In a previous post you said you had an iCute case.
I'm in the process of building a new PC and the iCute case look good
with the HUGE 220 mm side fan (looks like it should blow lots of air
onto the CPU). There is another input fan at the front bottom. It
doesn't have any exhaust fans! But the back is just a large grid - looks
like nothing to block the air. Any problems with it???

I live in Oz with the same summers you get in NZ.

One thing I don't like with the one I'm looking at is that it has a lot
of blue LED's around the big fan and a transparent side panel. It may
look nice, but not for me!

Cheers

Gordy
 >> Stay informed about: Q6600 "safe" temps? 

Somewhere on teh interweb Gorby typed:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh interweb Ed Medlin typed:
> snip
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Yeah, when I was looking at those cases so as to be able to give an
>> informed reply the first thing that came to mind was liquid cooling.
>> They seem like an excellent choice for that purpose. I'm still not
>> convinced that they're a great choice for an overclocked quad CPU on
>> air though.
>
> Hi Shaun,
> In a previous post you said you had an iCute case.
> I'm in the process of building a new PC and the iCute case look good
> with the HUGE 220 mm side fan (looks like it should blow lots of air
> onto the CPU). There is another input fan at the front bottom. It
> doesn't have any exhaust fans! But the back is just a large grid -
> looks like nothing to block the air. Any problems with it???
>
> I live in Oz with the same summers you get in NZ.
>
> One thing I don't like with the one I'm looking at is that it has a
> lot of blue LED's around the big fan and a transparent side panel. It
> may look nice, but not for me!

Hi Gordy,

Mate, I love this case! I wish It'd been available when i first started
building PCs. In fact I'm seriously considering buying a couple more, just
so that I have a spare* and for my second PC.

Some links to the one I have, Model S901-5G1-BB:

http://www.casepower.com.tw/english/S901.html
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/reviews/56FC71DAD9E5C67BCC2571ED000C70D2

and just for you:

http://www.skycomp.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=31515 (I paid $NZ120
inc. GST for mine)

To address your concerns; The 25cm fan on the side is almost inaudiable as
it only turns at about 500rpm. However, it sure moves some air! Normally, if
there isn't one standard, I'd put a buzzy little fan on the NB and (maybe
the SB as well, I have an ICH9R, they can get hot I'm told). With this 25cm
fan blowing air over pretty much the whole motherboard there's no need for
little fans like that. Also, you can rest easy knowing that the graphics
card area is also getting plenty of air (often a failing in otherwise good
cases).

You say there's "another input fan at the front bootom". The fact is, you
can put that fan anywhere in the case (if there isn't an optical drive in
the way). It's a 12cm fan that sits in a moveable bracket that 'covers' 3 x
5.25" bays and can be positioned anywhere. I have mine positioned in the
middle three bays as my graphics card's hot exhaust was competing with the
front fan when it was down lower. I have three SATA drives mounted with the
included 5.25" to 3.5: adapter 'rails' sitting behind it. I have a (SATA)
DVD writer at the very top, then a blank, then a FDD (and rails). Then my
three HDDs, two more empty bays, then another DVD writer in the bottom bay.
The HDDs run cooler without having the VGA card blowing hot air up their
skirts.

(My mobo is an ASUS P5K-E WiFi-AP that has only one IDE port and it's right
on the bottom of the board. While an 18" IDE cable will *just* reach to the
top bay, I bought a SATA DVD drive instead. I didn't like that wide cable
interfering with airflow and generally cluttering my case up. Then I looked
at the (perfectly fine) IDE drive I'd just removed and realised that there
was no reason why I couldn't mount it in the bottom bay and fold the excess
IDE robbon on itself and secure with a cable-tie. I don't like 'waste' so
will mainly use my old faithful drive until it dies, saving the new one just
for srchive DVDs for now).

The back panel... As you say, it's well perforated. I have nothing there and
if I put my hand behind the PC I can feel quite a strong breeze coming
through. However, if you so choose there are holes for either 2 x 8cm fans
or 1 x 120cm fan. Personally I think that all rear-mounted fans would do in
this case is increase noise. It is amazingly quiet.

The case feels a little light but seems rigid enough. There aren't any sharp
edges inside that bit me (I've had many a cut from poorly-finished, cheaper
cases). The gloss finish is quite good. It doesn't seem as
"fingerprint-prone" as some others I've seen. However, it does scratch if
you're an idiot like I was and lay the case down on it's side to work on it
(with the left side still on) on top of a stray screw on the work surface.
However, I think that would cause a problem with most case finishes. <g>

The four USB2 ports and the headphones/mic ports just simply worked when
plugged into the mobo which is always nice. All in all it was an easy and
pleasant build. I'm running an E4500 at 3.3GHz (413 x using a Tt Mini
Typhoon and running SETI at 100% the cores sit at about ambient +23°C. The
case temp is reported by the mobo diode as being about ambient + 5°C,
although I think that's partly due to wherever the hell it is. <g> With the
amount of air that moves through this case it is probably actually lower
than that.

So you don't like garish LEDs etc? Well, the front 12cm fan is clear with 4
blue LEDs around it but could easilly be swapped out for a different fan.
(It's actually not too bad as it's only seen through black mesh.) The power
LED is a rather bright blue as well. Fine in the day time but at night it
acts as a night-light, shining on the opposite wall. It's got a lens in it
and I'd say it's about 0.5W. Quite bright in the dark but doesn't appear so
bad in the daytime. That could probably be replaced as well if it bothered
you.

I can't speak highly enough about this case. In the past I've pretty much
always modded my cases by cutting a hole in the side and ducting a fan to
the CPU fan. This case not only obliviates the need for that but also
provides ample cooling for the 'bridges and the VGA, quetly and without
costing an arm and a leg.

I give it 10/10 for value and cooling. Best case I've ever owned, and 1/3rd
the price of my old Thermaltake case.

HTH,
--
Shaun.

*One of the reasons I'm considering a spare case is, obviously I really like
it, so I made enquiries with the NZ importer/supplier about 3 more sets of
rails, another 12cm fan and bracket (plenty of room for more HDDs, my mobo
has 6 x SATA ports internally) and a spare 25cm fan as it's proprietary and,
if it were to fail, I would need another iCute 25cm fan to replace it (I
can't imagine going back to another case). I got a reply saying that they
didn't have a spare 25cm fan and couldn't quote for one (actually illegal in
NZ, if you import a product and wholesale it you have to, by law, provide
access to spare parts for a reasonable price and length of time after the
product has been discontinued). They did quote me for the three rails, 12cm
fan and mount, $NZ90!!! The whole damn case only cost me $NZ120.

Don't get me wrong, there are no signs of imminent fan failure or anything
like that. It's just that I know fans have a finite lifetime and wanted to
be prepared when/if this one dies. However, as it turns so slowly I think it
may have a long life-span. I'm in two minds whether to lubricate the
bearing/bush now, to try to increase longevity. As I said, it seems fine.
Quiet and smooth. I just like to be prepared.
 >> Stay informed about: Q6600 "safe" temps? 

"~misfit~" <misfit61nz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
news:475c773d@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
> Somewhere on teh interweb Ed Medlin typed:
>> "Fishface" <invalid.DeleteThis@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
>> news:SoE6j.4236$k22.1413@trnddc02...
>>> Phil Weldon wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is not hard at all to cut a whole in a steel or aluminum side
>>>> panel.
>>>
>>> Would you really cut a hole in this thing?!
>>> http://www.silentpcreview.com/article741-page1.html
>>> Cutting a hole in the side would definitely let more inside noise
>>> out. And it's a layer of stainless, plastic, and aluminum! Stainless can
>>> be pretty tough. My RS nibbler broke long ago, and I
>>> never bought another.
>> I have one of those myself, liquid cooled though. I reversed the top
>> fan to blow into the case instead of out and set the speed to medium
>> (middle of the three settings). It helped cooling all-round. I needed
>> just a bit more cool air to the radiator (where your rear 120mm fan
>> is). This also helped get some more air to the NB and SB of the
>> Striker Extreme and keeps the heatpipe fins nice and cool. In the top
>> chamber, the only exhaust fan is the 120mm radiator fan set on high,
>> with two 120mm fans blowing in for slight positive pressure and a bit
>> less dust in the case.
>
> Not about Antec cases but since I've been more active in this group,
> (since I finally got some reasonably modern hardware again) I've been
> itching to try out liquid cooling. However, I might have to wait until I
> get a quad. With the E4500 @ 413 x 8 = 3.3GHz Tt Mini Typhoon combo
> running at 100% load only reaching 20°C above case temp it's hard to
> justify liquid cooling at the moment.
>
> Somwhere on one of my sojourns on teh interweb I saw a nifty-looking
> waterblock/pump in one system that was reasonably priced. It's simplicity
> appealed to me (not to mention it's price compared with other systems).
> I've seen expensive (at least by my standards) systems reviewed that
> perform poorly. I'd be gutted to spend the next couple month's food money
> on a liquid cooling system only to be disappointed.
>
> Sorry, it's probably all been said before but I have a habit of skipping
> over stuff that doesn't apply to me (at the time). What liquid cooling
> system do you have Ed? Are you happy with it? Anyone else?
>
> TIA.
> --
> TTFN,
>
> Shaun.

All Swiftech stuff. Actually this case is marketed by Swiftech as the Quiet
Power with everything you need to cool the CPU. If you want to do NB, SB or
video cards, you need to get the waterblocks for those. Swiftech is well
known and has been making liquid cooling components for many years.


Ed
>
>
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Somewhere on teh interweb Ed Medlin typed:
> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
> news:475c773d@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>> Somewhere on teh interweb Ed Medlin typed:
>>> "Fishface" <invalid.DeleteThis@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
>>> news:SoE6j.4236$k22.1413@trnddc02...
>>>> Phil Weldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is not hard at all to cut a whole in a steel or aluminum side
>>>>> panel.
>>>>
>>>> Would you really cut a hole in this thing?!
>>>> http://www.silentpcreview.com/article741-page1.html
>>>> Cutting a hole in the side would definitely let more inside noise
>>>> out. And it's a layer of stainless, plastic, and aluminum!
>>>> Stainless can be pretty tough. My RS nibbler broke long ago, and I
>>>> never bought another.
>>> I have one of those myself, liquid cooled though. I reversed the top
>>> fan to blow into the case instead of out and set the speed to medium
>>> (middle of the three settings). It helped cooling all-round. I
>>> needed just a bit more cool air to the radiator (where your rear
>>> 120mm fan is). This also helped get some more air to the NB and SB
>>> of the Striker Extreme and keeps the heatpipe fins nice and cool.
>>> In the top chamber, the only exhaust fan is the 120mm radiator fan
>>> set on high, with two 120mm fans blowing in for slight positive
>>> pressure and a bit less dust in the case.
>>
>> Not about Antec cases but since I've been more active in this group,
>> (since I finally got some reasonably modern hardware again) I've been
>> itching to try out liquid cooling. However, I might have to wait
>> until I get a quad. With the E4500 @ 413 x 8 = 3.3GHz Tt Mini
>> Typhoon combo running at 100% load only reaching 20°C above case
>> temp it's hard to justify liquid cooling at the moment.
>>
>> Somwhere on one of my sojourns on teh interweb I saw a nifty-looking
>> waterblock/pump in one system that was reasonably priced. It's
>> simplicity appealed to me (not to mention it's price compared with
>> other systems). I've seen expensive (at least by my standards)
>> systems reviewed that perform poorly. I'd be gutted to spend the
>> next couple month's food money on a liquid cooling system only to be
>> disappointed. Sorry, it's probably all been said before but I have a
>> habit of
>> skipping over stuff that doesn't apply to me (at the time). What
>> liquid cooling system do you have Ed? Are you happy with it? Anyone
>> else?
> All Swiftech stuff. Actually this case is marketed by Swiftech as the
> Quiet Power with everything you need to cool the CPU. If you want to
> do NB, SB or video cards, you need to get the waterblocks for those.
> Swiftech is well known and has been making liquid cooling components
> for many years.

Yep, on further looking I see that it was Swiftech that I briefly considered
before budget constraints bought me down to earth and dictated I go with
air.

In particular I "looked at" (not physically) the Apogee Drive 350
http://www.swiftech.com/products/ApogeeDrive.asp either using an automotive
heater radiator (to reduce costs) or this complete kit:
http://www.swiftech.com/products/H20-120-COMPACT.asp

I'd beinterested to hear from anyone who's tried the 'drive 350' or the
whole 'compact' system, especially if they've gone from reasonably good air
cooling to that system. With the quiet 25cm fan on the side of my case I
wouldn't bother with chipset/VGA cooling, it's just the CPU I'd be concerned
with although, as I say, the current system is doing more than adequately on
air.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.
 >> Stay informed about: Q6600 "safe" temps? 

Somewhere on teh interweb ~misfit~ typed:
> Yep, on further looking I see that it was Swiftech that I briefly
> considered before budget constraints bought me down to earth and
> dictated I go with air.
>
> In particular I "looked at" (not physically) the Apogee Drive 350
> http://www.swiftech.com/products/ApogeeDrive.asp either using an
> automotive heater radiator (to reduce costs) or this complete kit:
> http://www.swiftech.com/products/H20-120-COMPACT.asp
>
> I'd beinterested to hear from anyone who's tried the 'drive 350' or
> the whole 'compact' system, especially if they've gone from
> reasonably good air cooling to that system. With the quiet 25cm fan
> on the side of my case I wouldn't bother with chipset/VGA cooling,
> it's just the CPU I'd be concerned with although, as I say, the
> current system is doing more than adequately on air.

Hmm, that's not so good. I used the calculator on the second page, entered
current data from my system after checking ambient against the wall
themometer, ran Orthos and the calculator, with the fan set on 7V/25Db
(which would make it close to the noisiest thing 'in' my system) and the
result was 57.7°C. With the Tt Mini Typhoon the actual core temps (CoreTemp)
were 49/51°C. According to the Javascript calculator, even with the fan set
on 12V/35Db the core temp would be 55.6°.

Either something is rotten (in the state of Denmark) with the Java applet or
this 25cm fan cooled case I have negates and advantage for C2*D*s and liquid
cooling. Maybe a different story with a quad, pumping out twice the heat.
--
TTFN,

Shaun.
 >> Stay informed about: Q6600 "safe" temps? 

~misfit~ wrote:

>
> Hi Gordy,
>
> Mate, I love this case! I wish It'd been available when i first started
> building PCs. In fact I'm seriously considering buying a couple more, just
> so that I have a spare* and for my second PC.
>
> Some links to the one I have, Model S901-5G1-BB:
>
> http://www.casepower.com.tw/english/S901.html
> http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/reviews/56FC71DAD9E5C67BCC2571ED000C70D2
>
> and just for you:
>
> http://www.skycomp.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=31515 (I paid $NZ120
> inc. GST for mine)
>
> To address your concerns; The 25cm fan on the side is almost inaudiable as
> it only turns at about 500rpm. However, it sure moves some air! Normally, if
> there isn't one standard, I'd put a buzzy little fan on the NB and (maybe
> the SB as well, I have an ICH9R, they can get hot I'm told). With this 25cm
> fan blowing air over pretty much the whole motherboard there's no need for
> little fans like that. Also, you can rest easy knowing that the graphics
> card area is also getting plenty of air (often a failing in otherwise good
> cases).
>
> You say there's "another input fan at the front bootom". The fact is, you
> can put that fan anywhere in the case (if there isn't an optical drive in
> the way). It's a 12cm fan that sits in a moveable bracket that 'covers' 3 x
> 5.25" bays and can be positioned anywhere. I have mine positioned in the
> middle three bays as my graphics card's hot exhaust was competing with the
> front fan when it was down lower. I have three SATA drives mounted with the
> included 5.25" to 3.5: adapter 'rails' sitting behind it. I have a (SATA)
> DVD writer at the very top, then a blank, then a FDD (and rails). Then my
> three HDDs, two more empty bays, then another DVD writer in the bottom bay.
> The HDDs run cooler without having the VGA card blowing hot air up their
> skirts.
>
> (My mobo is an ASUS P5K-E WiFi-AP that has only one IDE port and it's right
> on the bottom of the board. While an 18" IDE cable will *just* reach to the
> top bay, I bought a SATA DVD drive instead. I didn't like that wide cable
> interfering with airflow and generally cluttering my case up. Then I looked
> at the (perfectly fine) IDE drive I'd just removed and realised that there
> was no reason why I couldn't mount it in the bottom bay and fold the excess
> IDE robbon on itself and secure with a cable-tie. I don't like 'waste' so
> will mainly use my old faithful drive until it dies, saving the new one just
> for srchive DVDs for now).
>
> The back panel... As you say, it's well perforated. I have nothing there and
> if I put my hand behind the PC I can feel quite a strong breeze coming
> through. However, if you so choose there are holes for either 2 x 8cm fans
> or 1 x 120cm fan. Personally I think that all rear-mounted fans would do in
> this case is increase noise. It is amazingly quiet.
>
> The case feels a little light but seems rigid enough. There aren't any sharp
> edges inside that bit me (I've had many a cut from poorly-finished, cheaper
> cases). The gloss finish is quite good. It doesn't seem as
> "fingerprint-prone" as some others I've seen. However, it does scratch if
> you're an idiot like I was and lay the case down on it's side to work on it
> (with the left side still on) on top of a stray screw on the work surface.
> However, I think that would cause a problem with most case finishes. <g>
>
> The four USB2 ports and the headphones/mic ports just simply worked when
> plugged into the mobo which is always nice. All in all it was an easy and
> pleasant build. I'm running an E4500 at 3.3GHz (413 x using a Tt Mini
> Typhoon and running SETI at 100% the cores sit at about ambient +23°C. The
> case temp is reported by the mobo diode as being about ambient + 5°C,
> although I think that's partly due to wherever the hell it is. <g> With the
> amount of air that moves through this case it is probably actually lower
> than that.
>
> So you don't like garish LEDs etc? Well, the front 12cm fan is clear with 4
> blue LEDs around it but could easilly be swapped out for a different fan.
> (It's actually not too bad as it's only seen through black mesh.) The power
> LED is a rather bright blue as well. Fine in the day time but at night it
> acts as a night-light, shining on the opposite wall. It's got a lens in it
> and I'd say it's about 0.5W. Quite bright in the dark but doesn't appear so
> bad in the daytime. That could probably be replaced as well if it bothered
> you.
>
> I can't speak highly enough about this case. In the past I've pretty much
> always modded my cases by cutting a hole in the side and ducting a fan to
> the CPU fan. This case not only obliviates the need for that but also
> provides ample cooling for the 'bridges and the VGA, quetly and without
> costing an arm and a leg.
>
> I give it 10/10 for value and cooling. Best case I've ever owned, and 1/3rd
> the price of my old Thermaltake case.
>
> HTH,

Thanks for that! I think I'm going to go and buy me an early Christmas
present!
I love reading these forums - Good value from knowledgeable people.

I'm not yet overclocking, but building this rig for gaming. I love first
person shooters.
I've got a C2D e6600 cpu. nVidia 8800GTS video card. 2 gig Corsair RAM
and a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R. I wanted a mobo that would be a bit future
proof. This can take DDR3 RAM, and also appears to be able to overclock
(when I'm up to it, and whatever new games need more grunt).

I have now blown my budget. No more new computing goodies for a couple
of years.

Thanks again! All of you!
 >> Stay informed about: Q6600 "safe" temps? 

On 7 Dec, 03:26, "~misfit~" <misfit6....TakeThisOut@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh interweb Brett Kline typed:
>
> > I do not know of any current software which reads a variable Tjunction
> > value.
>
> I fully realised that Tjunction does not change, that it's constant for any
> given processor. My question, which I was still unable to answer after
> reading those links (and links) was related to the difference between the
> Tjunction of the Q6600 (100°C) and the E4500 (85°C). Does this mean that the
> Q6600 can run hotter than the E4500?
>
> I see CoreTemp has the ability to change from displaying current temp to
> "Delta to Tjunction". The displayed output then says (in my current case)
> "39C° (sic) to Tjunction remaining".

Actually, Tjunction DOES change, since it's actually the name for the
temperature at the hottest part of each core (hence each core has a
Tjunction). As I understand it, what CoreTemp incorrectly reports as
"Tjunction" is actually "Tjunctionmax" (or however they are written) -
it is NOT Tjunction!
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Somewhere on teh interweb gg.DeleteThis@nabudis.com typed:
> On 7 Dec, 03:26, "~misfit~" <misfit6....DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh interweb Brett Kline typed:
>>
>>> I do not know of any current software which reads a variable
>>> Tjunction value.
>>
>> I fully realised that Tjunction does not change, that it's constant
>> for any given processor. My question, which I was still unable to
>> answer after reading those links (and links) was related to the
>> difference between the Tjunction of the Q6600 (100°C) and the E4500
>> (85°C). Does this mean that the Q6600 can run hotter than the E4500?
>>
>> I see CoreTemp has the ability to change from displaying current
>> temp to "Delta to Tjunction". The displayed output then says (in my
>> current case) "39C° (sic) to Tjunction remaining".
>
> Actually, Tjunction DOES change, since it's actually the name for the
> temperature at the hottest part of each core (hence each core has a
> Tjunction). As I understand it, what CoreTemp incorrectly reports as
> "Tjunction" is actually "Tjunctionmax" (or however they are written) -
> it is NOT Tjunction!

Now *that* makes sense. I gave up on finding the low-down on this after
getting bogged down in increasingly complex documentation. Your explaination
seems to fit with what little I could understand. <g>

So, next question; Why does the Q6600 (and the 420 Celeron Core 2 Solo I
have) have a Tjunctionmax of 100°C (according to CoreTemp) while my E4500
"only" has a Tjunctionmax of 85°C? I thought they were all made of the same
stuff.

Not that it affects me currently. My E4500.DeleteThis@3.3GHz is happliy idling at
ambient +5°C right now. (29/30°C)
--
Cheers,

Shaun.
 >> Stay informed about: Q6600 "safe" temps? 

Howard Goldstein wrote:

> How'd you do this ducting? The plastic thingie that attaches to the
> upper drive bay?

The P180 came with a plastic duct.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article249-page6.html
It only accepts a thin fan and it echoes. I need to deaden the sound a bit.

> : My system temp says 31° C with all four cores at
> : 100%. CPU fan only says 1061 RPM, I thought I had a 1600 RPM.
> : No wonder I can't hear it.
>
> Here's whwat I have: I pulled the tricools except for the one in the
> bottom chamber. I've sealed both of those door slats between
> chambers, you know how difficult it is to get nice clean closure on
> both slats at the same time nevermind with cables going through
> them. The bottom chamber has really good flow across 4 SATA drives.
>
> In the upper chamber I have a Noctua up front soon to be blowing out
> adjacent to just one not unusually warm running ATA drive.

The front fan will be blowing out, then?!

> On the back panel is a noctua now blowing in, and up top us a 48cfm
> scythe blowing out that I'm going to turn around after posting this.
>
> I didn't put the noctua on the ultra 120x because of no pwm but that's
> in another case anyway (can I put in a good word for Rexflo? It does
> the trick on the 120x and doesn't get noisy until Speedfan does its
> brief excursions to 90% and beyond). Have you seen the new noctua fan
> with those ridgie things on the trailing edge supposedly to handle
> higher pressure situations?

I have now! It appears they reduced the gap at the blade tips, too.
www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=12&lng=en

> Can you think of any reasons why a plastic dryer duct piece couldn't
> be forced into this role? Maybe pull the fan from the top of the case,
> run the duct between that hole and the fan mounted on the other side
> of the cooler so it's sucking right from that hole blowing down and into
> the cooler? What think???

I know of two kinds of dryer ducts, one is metal and bends, and the other
is plastic with a metal coil support. If you think you can make it work,
that's great. Duct tape and cardboard is good, too!

> : I don't think 29° C is too hot, that's only about 84° F. I would try the
> : duct and try swapping one of the Antec fans temporarily to see if it
> : helps.
>
> 29 in this room but 39 in the case Well actually it's now 44 in the
> case now but I screwed up the circulation by doing only half a job
> reconfiguring the fans

Ok, I guess I am almost 10° C above ambient, too. I may be in the same
boat in the summer. That cool ducted air cooling the CPU should help
a lot, I think.
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Somewhere on teh interweb Fishface typed:
> Howard Goldstein wrote:
>
>> How'd you do this ducting? The plastic thingie that attaches to the
>> upper drive bay?
>
> The P180 came with a plastic duct.
> http://www.silentpcreview.com/article249-page6.html
> It only accepts a thin fan and it echoes. I need to deaden the sound
> a bit.
>>> My system temp says 31° C with all four cores at
>>> 100%. CPU fan only says 1061 RPM, I thought I had a 1600 RPM.
>>> No wonder I can't hear it.
>>
>> Here's whwat I have: I pulled the tricools except for the one in the
>> bottom chamber. I've sealed both of those door slats between
>> chambers, you know how difficult it is to get nice clean closure on
>> both slats at the same time nevermind with cables going through
>> them. The bottom chamber has really good flow across 4 SATA drives.
>>
>> In the upper chamber I have a Noctua up front soon to be blowing out
>> adjacent to just one not unusually warm running ATA drive.
>
> The front fan will be blowing out, then?!
>
>> On the back panel is a noctua now blowing in, and up top us a 48cfm
>> scythe blowing out that I'm going to turn around after posting this.
>>
>> I didn't put the noctua on the ultra 120x because of no pwm but
>> that's in another case anyway (can I put in a good word for Rexflo? It
>> does the trick on the 120x and doesn't get noisy until Speedfan
>> does its brief excursions to 90% and beyond). Have you seen the new
>> noctua fan with those ridgie things on the trailing edge supposedly
>> to handle higher pressure situations?
>
> I have now! It appears they reduced the gap at the blade tips, too.
> www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=12&lng=en
>
>> Can you think of any reasons why a plastic dryer duct piece couldn't
>> be forced into this role? Maybe pull the fan from the top of the
>> case, run the duct between that hole and the fan mounted on the
>> other side of the cooler so it's sucking right from that hole blowing
>> down and
>> into the cooler? What think???

I think that, from a cooling standpoint, you'd be better to have the fan at
the top and duct the (pressurised) air over the CPU cooler. It would be far
more efficient than expecting the fan to *pull* air, a role that they're not
designed to fill. (Radial case fans are 'pushers' not 'pullers'.) Also, it
would be easier to make sure that the duct is fixed to the fan in a
'leakproof' manner that way. If the duct stops at the cooler, and the fan is
on the other side and you're expecting it to pull it's air through the duct
I think you'll be dissapointed. It will get air from the path of least
resistance. i.e. Through the sides of the cooler, around the edges....

Much better to have cool air being pumped through the duct. Obviously the
downside is the fan is at the top and more noise will leak. However, as I've
always manitained, unless you have liquid cooling, OCing and quiet are polar
opposite objectives.

Maybe one (or even two "ganged") of those new Noctua fans that are designed
for 'pressure' situations and are very quiet?

> I know of two kinds of dryer ducts, one is metal and bends, and the
> other is plastic with a metal coil support. If you think you can
> make it work, that's great. Duct tape and cardboard is good, too!
>
>>> I don't think 29° C is too hot, that's only about 84° F. I would
>>> try the duct and try swapping one of the Antec fans temporarily to
>>> see if it helps.
>>
>> 29 in this room but 39 in the case Well actually it's now 44 in
>> the case now but I screwed up the circulation by doing only half a
>> job reconfiguring the fans
>
> Ok, I guess I am almost 10° C above ambient, too. I may be in the
> same boat in the summer. That cool ducted air cooling the CPU should
> help a lot, I think.

Ambient here is currently 25°C. Asus's 'case' sensors is telling me 28 and
CoreTemp is telling me 30/31. Just idling, Azureus, Firefox, OE open, and
about 12 things in systray. Not bad for a 50% OC on air huh? Pretty quiet
too.

Glad I don't have one of those complicated Antec cases. <g>
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TTFN,

Shaun.
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