SP2 related woes: list any you find here

JAD wrote:
 >
 > AFAIHS ghosting a drive with Sp2 XP goes fine

You actually tried it? I only know what my pal told me.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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ToolPackinMama wrote:

 > JAD wrote:
 >
  >>AFAIHS ghosting a drive with Sp2 XP goes fine
 >
 >
 > You actually tried it? I only know what my pal told me.

That's why he also asked the particulars of what he was using and how he
was trying to do it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Just another item for one of those "urban legends" sites.
SP2 works like a charm on my 2 desktops - one being a PIII 550.

Bwahahahahahahaha !!!!





"ToolPackinMama" <laura.TakeThisOut@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
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 >I suppose it's inevitable that SP2 will cause problems. One I know of
 > is a pal of mine discovered he couldn't ghost drives anymore after
 > installing SP2.
 >
 > FWIW, in his business he has a perfectly legitimate reason to ghost
 > drives. He's got a totally legal copy of the group license version of
 > XP, precisely for that reason. He called Microsoft tech support and
 > guess what? It's not a bug, it's a feature!
 >
 > Another example of Microsoft punishing faithful customers who are honest
 > people.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura DeleteThis @lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
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 >I suppose it's inevitable that SP2 will cause problems. One I know of
 > is a pal of mine discovered he couldn't ghost drives anymore after
 > installing SP2.
 >
I've been using the release version of SP2 since last weekend. The only
problem I have found which is definitely caused by SP2 is the 'feature'
which tells you if your third party antivirus is out of date. When SP2 was
installed, it correctly identified that I was running Sophos AV and that it
is up to date. The following day, five minutes after updating the virus
signatures, SP2 told me that my antivirus was out of date. The official
Microsoft response is that they have made an api available to Antivirus
vendors, but that not all have implemented it yet. Sophos have said on their
website that they will implement it in future upgrades. In the meantime, it
is easy enough to turn the feature off.

Another problem which has surfaced is that Nero crashed twice on start-up
after installing SP2, however on my machine it has been doing that on and
off since I 'upgraded' to Nero 6. I suspect some more deep-rooted problem.
In any case Nero 6 has been updated now, and the latest version can be
downloaded from their web site - so presumably any SP2 issues with it have
now been resolved.

I use a few of the other programs mentioned in the infamous '200 programs
that may behave differently with SP2' article:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2</a>
e.g. Diskeeper, Office 2003, Real Player (free) and Zonealarm and have not
noticed any change in them at all. (I have turned off the Windows firewall
and use Zonealarm instead).

John.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Bioboffin wrote:

 > "ToolPackinMama" <laura DeleteThis @lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
 > news:4124456A.3A00C035@lauragoodwin.org...
 >
  >>I suppose it's inevitable that SP2 will cause problems. One I know of
  >>is a pal of mine discovered he couldn't ghost drives anymore after
  >>installing SP2.
  >>
 >
 > I've been using the release version of SP2 since last weekend. The only
 > problem I have found which is definitely caused by SP2 is the 'feature'
 > which tells you if your third party antivirus is out of date. When SP2 was
 > installed, it correctly identified that I was running Sophos AV and that it
 > is up to date. The following day, five minutes after updating the virus
 > signatures, SP2 told me that my antivirus was out of date. The official
 > Microsoft response is that they have made an api available to Antivirus
 > vendors, but that not all have implemented it yet. Sophos have said on their
 > website that they will implement it in future upgrades. In the meantime, it
 > is easy enough to turn the feature off.
 >
 > Another problem which has surfaced is that Nero crashed twice on start-up
 > after installing SP2, however on my machine it has been doing that on and
 > off since I 'upgraded' to Nero 6. I suspect some more deep-rooted problem.
 > In any case Nero 6 has been updated now, and the latest version can be
 > downloaded from their web site - so presumably any SP2 issues with it have
 > now been resolved.
 >
 > I use a few of the other programs mentioned in the infamous '200 programs
 > that may behave differently with SP2' article:
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2</a>
 > e.g. Diskeeper, Office 2003, Real Player (free) and Zonealarm and have not
 > noticed any change in them at all. (I have turned off the Windows firewall
 > and use Zonealarm instead).
 >
 > John.
 >
 >

Yeah. I suspect there's going to be a lot of rumors about things 'broken'
when it's merely a firewall issue.

I did do a quick google to see if anything turned up about ghost and I did
find some people complaining about using the windows ghost wizard to
copy/move partitions around on drives with multiple partitions.

Trying to guess the situation from a few reads it looked to me like there
may be a new 'protection' feature that prevents you from ghosting over the
system (boot) partition and that it's also blocking writing a file image to
it as well. From the conversation it appeared that using the ghost boot
floppy works fine, though.

Frankly, I'm holding off on SP2 till the dust settles a bit.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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David Maynard <dNOTmayn.RemoveThis@ev1.net> wrote in
news:10i8so1me0vus69@corp.supernews.com:

 > Trying to guess the situation from a few reads it looked to me like
 > there may be a new 'protection' feature that prevents you from
 > ghosting over the system (boot) partition and that it's also blocking
 > writing a file image to it as well. From the conversation it appeared
 > that using the ghost boot floppy works fine, though.

Thats what I was thinking. Probably a good thing as far as Ghost is
concerned. It totally hosed a Dell system I was working on when I tried to
backup w/o a boot floppy.

Probably screws Diskeepers boot-time defrag though.

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Lordy<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Lordy wrote:

 > David Maynard <dNOTmayn.RemoveThis@ev1.net> wrote in
 > news:10i8so1me0vus69@corp.supernews.com:
 >
 >
  >>Trying to guess the situation from a few reads it looked to me like
  >>there may be a new 'protection' feature that prevents you from
  >>ghosting over the system (boot) partition and that it's also blocking
  >>writing a file image to it as well. From the conversation it appeared
  >>that using the ghost boot floppy works fine, though.
 >
 >
 > Thats what I was thinking. Probably a good thing as far as Ghost is
 > concerned. It totally hosed a Dell system I was working on when I tried to
 > backup w/o a boot floppy.

I can certainly see why the Microsoft rep could have said blocking
destruction of the system partition was a 'feature', though.

Has nothing to do with 'intentionally' breaking ghost.

 >
 > Probably screws Diskeepers boot-time defrag though.
 >

Depends on how diskeeper works I would imagine.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Lordy" <spam_box.TakeThisOut@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954A73F3559C2lordybigfootcom@130.133.1.4...
 > David Maynard <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in
 > news:10i8so1me0vus69@corp.supernews.com:
 >
  > > Trying to guess the situation from a few reads it looked to me like
  > > there may be a new 'protection' feature that prevents you from
  > > ghosting over the system (boot) partition and that it's also blocking
  > > writing a file image to it as well. From the conversation it appeared
  > > that using the ghost boot floppy works fine, though.
 >
 > Thats what I was thinking. Probably a good thing as far as Ghost is
 > concerned. It totally hosed a Dell system I was working on when I tried to
 > backup w/o a boot floppy.
 >
 > Probably screws Diskeepers boot-time defrag though.
 >
 > --
 > Lordy

I am constantly puzzled by the continuous negative comments such as the one
expressed by "Lordy" as well as frequent misinformation that I come across
on the various newsgroups that deprecate Symantec's Norton Ghost program. My
experience with that program has been, and continues to be, completely
counter to the negative views expressed by so many posters. I have often
remarked that I wish every software program I use was as simple,
straightforward, and effective as Symantec's Norton Ghost program. Let me
state at the outset that I use Ghost for one and only one purpose - to clone
the contents of one hard drive to another. By making a bit-for-bit copy (not
technically precise perhaps, but correct for all practical purposes) of one'
s working hard drive, you have, what seems to me, the ultimate backup
system. I have used various versions of Ghost over the years, including the
present 2003 version. During that time I estimate I've cloned various hard
drives more than a thousand times. And done so with nary a hiccup. Ghost's
ease of use together with reasonable speed make it a joy to use.



In virtually every case I've come across where the user had experienced
problems with Ghost's cloning operation, I've found the problem arose due to
one of the following factors:

1. User error.

2. Corrupted system files of one kind or another on the source disk.

3. Source or destination disk mechanically/electronically defective.

Rarely have I come across problems that I could attribute to deficiencies of
the Ghost program itself.



If you clone garbage, garbage is what you'll get. Before cloning a hard
drive you must ensure that the drive is free of physical/system defects and
virus-free.



BTW, I've had no difficulty cloning hard drives containing the XP SP2 OS
since installing SP2 a few days ago.



Art<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <41245331.70274D80.TakeThisOut@lauragoodwin.org>, ToolPackinMama says...
 > JAD wrote:
  > >
  > > AFAIHS ghosting a drive with Sp2 XP goes fine
 >
 > You actually tried it? I only know what my pal told me.
 >
It works fine from a bootable CD/Floppy. The Windows version of it
doesn't work.

--
Conor

Its life Jim but not as we know it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Lordy" <spam_box.TakeThisOut@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954A73F3559C2lordybigfootcom@130.133.1.4...
 > David Maynard <dNOTmayn.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote in
 > news:10i8so1me0vus69@corp.supernews.com:
 >
  >> Trying to guess the situation from a few reads it looked to me like
  >> there may be a new 'protection' feature that prevents you from
  >> ghosting over the system (boot) partition and that it's also blocking
  >> writing a file image to it as well. From the conversation it appeared
  >> that using the ghost boot floppy works fine, though.
 >
 > Thats what I was thinking. Probably a good thing as far as Ghost is
 > concerned. It totally hosed a Dell system I was working on when I tried to
 > backup w/o a boot floppy.
 >
 > Probably screws Diskeepers boot-time defrag though.
 >
 > --
 > Lordy

I just ran a boot-time defrag on two partitions with no problems.

However, to reiterate, I'm not using the Microsoft Firewall. (I want a
firewall that tells me if something is attempting to 'dial out').

John.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Bioboffin wrote:

 > "Lordy" <spam_box.DeleteThis@gmx.net> wrote in message
 > news:Xns954A73F3559C2lordybigfootcom@130.133.1.4...
 >
  >>David Maynard <dNOTmayn.DeleteThis@ev1.net> wrote in
  >>news:10i8so1me0vus69@corp.supernews.com:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Trying to guess the situation from a few reads it looked to me like
   >>>there may be a new 'protection' feature that prevents you from
   >>>ghosting over the system (boot) partition and that it's also blocking
   >>>writing a file image to it as well. From the conversation it appeared
   >>>that using the ghost boot floppy works fine, though.
  >>
  >>Thats what I was thinking. Probably a good thing as far as Ghost is
  >>concerned. It totally hosed a Dell system I was working on when I tried to
  >>backup w/o a boot floppy.
  >>
  >>Probably screws Diskeepers boot-time defrag though.
  >>
  >>--
  >>Lordy
 >
 >
 > I just ran a boot-time defrag on two partitions with no problems.
 >
 > However, to reiterate, I'm not using the Microsoft Firewall. (I want a
 > firewall that tells me if something is attempting to 'dial out').
 >
 > John.
 >

I think the windows ghost version not writing to the system partition is a
wholly different deal than the firewall issue. A firewall blocking ports is
just about the most common firewall 'problem' one can have since that is,
after all, it's intended purpose.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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No problems here on my LAN and I have had it for a week,
last night I wipe a HP 522a clean for a mate who had has nothing but
trouble with it since he bought it, got rid of their hidden partion
and shit, installed XP SPK2 connected it to my router/switch to
download video/sound drivers etc. easy as pie and not a hitch...I use
Sygate Pro Firewall and AVG Pro antivirus and all works great...(I
think the secret is to not use XP firewall..just disable it)
He's very happy with it, said its never worked so good.
We tried several P2P programs and anything else we could think of that
used the internet without a problem.

RedBack
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Bioboffin wrote:

 > I've been using the release version of SP2 since last weekend. The only
 > problem I have found which is definitely caused by SP2 is the 'feature'
 > which tells you if your third party antivirus is out of date. When SP2 was
 > installed, it correctly identified that I was running Sophos AV and that it
 > is up to date. The following day, five minutes after updating the virus
 > signatures, SP2 told me that my antivirus was out of date.

Thank you for your testimony.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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