Sempron warning

Model: AMD Sempron 2800+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 256KB
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+

Notice the FSB

Model: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 2GHz
FSB: 266MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+

Again Notice the FSB

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"Wes Newell" <w.newell.DeleteThis@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
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 > Don't get screwed by purchasing a new Sempron CPU. They aren't new. They
 > are just Tbred cores rated with a different benchmark suite to give then
 > higher PR (model) numbers. The fact is that the Spempron 2800+ ($107) only
 > runs at about the same perfomance level as the XP 2400+ ($53). And why
 > shouldn't it, it the same cpu, clocked at the same base cpu clockspeed.
 > The only difference is that all the Sempron require a default 166MHz FSB.
 >
 > XP 2400+, core Tbred B, 15x133, 2000MHz
 > Sempron 2800+, core Tbred B, 12x166, 2000MHz.
 >
 > Don't get screwed. And tell everyone you can. I find this move by amd to
 > be no diiferent than GM taking a chevy and putting the name Cadilac on it
 > and doubling the price. Buyer beware.
 >
 > --
 > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:22:56 -0400, crucom wrote:

 > what is with the bus speeds? AMD Sempron 3100+ @ 1800Mhz FSB (Socket A)
 > 256k" cache is half the size but 1800?

The Sempron 3100+ is a socket 754 CPU. It won't work in socket A. If
you're talking about the pricewatch ad, it's just a screwup.Note 754pin
beside socket A.

And the Sempron for 754 is the same. if you want to reasonably vompare it
to an Athlon 64 754 CPU, subtract 400 from the model number of the
Sempron. IOW's the Athlon 64 2800+ is faster the the Sempron 3100+ for the
same board.

AMDs' acronym for Sempron= Screw Everyone Purchasers Rely On Numbers.

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:42:28 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:

 > AMDs' acronym for Sempron= Screw Everyone Purchasers Rely On Numbers.

That Should have read, Screw Everyone Most Purchasers Rely On Numbers.

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Think I'll side with Wes' thoughts here. Another money grab. My XP2400 is
very happy at 11 X 200

Notice the FSB

Garry


"Daniel P" <none.TakeThisOut@none.com> wrote in message
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 > Model: AMD Sempron 2800+
 > Core: Thoroughbred
 > Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
 > FSB: Integrated into Chip
 > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 256KB
 > Voltage: 1.65V
 > Process: 0.13Micron
 > Socket: Socket A
 > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
 >
 > Notice the FSB
 >
 > Model: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
 > Core: Thoroughbred
 > Operating Frequency: 2GHz
 > FSB: 266MHz
 > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
 > Voltage: 1.65V
 > Process: 0.13Micron
 > Socket: Socket A
 > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
 >
 > Again Notice the FSB
 >
 > --
 > "Duct tape is a lot like the Force. It has a Dark side, a Light side, and
it
 > holds all the pieces of the Universe togethe
 > "Wes Newell" <w.newell.TakeThisOut@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
 > news:pan.2004.08.26.01.10.13.55407@TAKEOUTverizon.net...
  > > Don't get screwed by purchasing a new Sempron CPU. They aren't new. They
  > > are just Tbred cores rated with a different benchmark suite to give then
  > > higher PR (model) numbers. The fact is that the Spempron 2800+ ($107)
only
  > > runs at about the same perfomance level as the XP 2400+ ($53). And why
  > > shouldn't it, it the same cpu, clocked at the same base cpu clockspeed.
  > > The only difference is that all the Sempron require a default 166MHz
FSB.
  > >
  > > XP 2400+, core Tbred B, 15x133, 2000MHz
  > > Sempron 2800+, core Tbred B, 12x166, 2000MHz.
  > >
  > > Don't get screwed. And tell everyone you can. I find this move by amd to
  > > be no diiferent than GM taking a chevy and putting the name Cadilac on
it
  > > and doubling the price. Buyer beware.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
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 >
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:34:27 -0700, Daniel P wrote:

 > Model: AMD Sempron 2800+
 > Core: Thoroughbred
 > Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
 > FSB: Integrated into Chip
 > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 256KB
 > Voltage: 1.65V
 > Process: 0.13Micron
 > Socket: Socket A
 > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
 >
 > Notice the FSB
 >
I notice it's giving you BS. What else do you want me to notice?
The FSB is integrated into all Socket A cpu's. The cpu won't work without
a FSB. That's how it talks to the MB chipset and gets it data from all
devices. Still, the FSB speed is controlled by by the MB, not the cpu.
Integrated into cpu is just meaningless crap.

 > Model: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
 > Core: Thoroughbred
 > Operating Frequency: 2GHz
 > FSB: 266MHz
 > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
 > Voltage: 1.65V
 > Process: 0.13Micron
 > Socket: Socket A
 > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
 >
 > Again Notice the FSB

Yep. i notice it's giving you data rates instead of the real FSB speed of
133MHz. Any other BS you want me to notice?

See The Real Front Side Bus in link below.

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Wes Newell wrote:
 >
 > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:34:27 -0700, Daniel P wrote:
 >
  > > Model: AMD Sempron 2800+
  > > Core: Thoroughbred
  > > Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
  > > FSB: Integrated into Chip
  > > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 256KB
  > > Voltage: 1.65V
  > > Process: 0.13Micron
  > > Socket: Socket A
  > > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
  > >
  > > Notice the FSB
  > >
 > I notice it's giving you BS. What else do you want me to notice?
 > The FSB is integrated into all Socket A cpu's. The cpu won't work without
 > a FSB. That's how it talks to the MB chipset and gets it data from all
 > devices. Still, the FSB speed is controlled by by the MB, not the cpu.
 > Integrated into cpu is just meaningless crap.
 >
  > > Model: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
  > > Core: Thoroughbred
  > > Operating Frequency: 2GHz
  > > FSB: 266MHz
  > > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
  > > Voltage: 1.65V
  > > Process: 0.13Micron
  > > Socket: Socket A
  > > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
  > >
  > > Again Notice the FSB
 >
 > Yep. i notice it's giving you data rates instead of the real FSB speed of
 > 133MHz. Any other BS you want me to notice?
 >
 > See The Real Front Side Bus in link below.
 >
 > --
 > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
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This still won't sway me to buy Intel next time. But I will make sure I
do my research on the AMD chips before I do upgrade again. Thanks for
the info.

Bob
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:56:19 -0500, Bob M <ram1220 DeleteThis @vzavenue.net> wrote:

 > This still won't sway me to buy Intel next time. But I will make sure I
 >do my research on the AMD chips before I do upgrade again. Thanks for
 >the info.
 >
 > Bob

If the Celeron wasn't such a dog AMD would have made the Sempron run
faster, but it's a low end chip to compete with Celeron not Athlon XP or
P4 or A64, get over it! ;p

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notice amd say's both socet A & 754 pin? what the deal with that



Wes Newell wrote:
 > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:42:28 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
 >
 >
  >>AMDs' acronym for Sempron= Screw Everyone Purchasers Rely On Numbers.
 >
 >
 > That Should have read, Screw Everyone Most Purchasers Rely On Numbers.
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Wes Newell wrote:

 > Don't get screwed. And tell everyone you can. I find this move by amd
 > to be no diiferent than GM taking a chevy and putting the name
 > Cadilac on it and doubling the price. Buyer beware.

That doesn't mean that whole Sempron series is not worth its price.
Sempron 2300+ with its price lower than XP 2000+ is pretty cheap
processor.

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:27:37 +0000, Lukasz Ledochowski wrote:

 > Wes Newell wrote:
 >
  >> Don't get screwed. And tell everyone you can. I find this move by amd
  >> to be no diiferent than GM taking a chevy and putting the name
  >> Cadilac on it and doubling the price. Buyer beware.
 >
 > That doesn't mean that whole Sempron series is not worth its price.
 > Sempron 2300+ with its price lower than XP 2000+ is pretty cheap
 > processor.

The cheapest Sempron I could find was a 2400+ for $60. That's the same as
a 2000+ XP, which sells for $48. But it's your money.

AMD has discontinued the XP's except for the XP 2800+ and faster Barton
cores. Changed the name of the lower model Tbred XP's and raised the
model (PR) numbers by a `400 and raised the price to match. What is it
about this that you don't understand? Do some research.

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Wes Newell wrote:

 > match. What is it about this that you don't understand? Do some
 > research.

I've done some research and I found Sempron 2300+ (1583MHz,
FSB166(333)) cheaper than XP 2000+ (1666, 133(266)). These are
comparable processors and I can't say that this model is to expensive.

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Here
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://images10.newegg.com/UploadFilesForNewegg/sempron/landing/sempron.htm" target="_blank">http://images10.newegg.com/UploadFilesForNewegg/sempron/landing/sempron.htm</a>

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"Wes Newell" <w.newell RemoveThis @TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.26.07.40.37.385712@TAKEOUTverizon.net...
 > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:34:27 -0700, Daniel P wrote:
 >
  > > Model: AMD Sempron 2800+
  > > Core: Thoroughbred
  > > Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
  > > FSB: Integrated into Chip
  > > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 256KB
  > > Voltage: 1.65V
  > > Process: 0.13Micron
  > > Socket: Socket A
  > > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
  > >
  > > Notice the FSB
  > >
 > I notice it's giving you BS. What else do you want me to notice?
 > The FSB is integrated into all Socket A cpu's. The cpu won't work without
 > a FSB. That's how it talks to the MB chipset and gets it data from all
 > devices. Still, the FSB speed is controlled by by the MB, not the cpu.
 > Integrated into cpu is just meaningless crap.
 >
  > > Model: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
  > > Core: Thoroughbred
  > > Operating Frequency: 2GHz
  > > FSB: 266MHz
  > > Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
  > > Voltage: 1.65V
  > > Process: 0.13Micron
  > > Socket: Socket A
  > > Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
  > >
  > > Again Notice the FSB
 >
 > Yep. i notice it's giving you data rates instead of the real FSB speed of
 > 133MHz. Any other BS you want me to notice?
 >
 > See The Real Front Side Bus in link below.
 >
 > --
 > Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
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 >
 > notice amd say's both socet A & 754 pin? what the deal with that
 >
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