Video Card Fan Starts Buzzing

I have a MSI Ti4200 and it started doing the same thing after I fiddled
with it. But I turned off the system and the next day it was back to
normal. Had that happen a few times but all is good for many many months
now.
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:29:19 GMT, PBS <pbREMSPAMsoft.DeleteThis@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

 > just clean it
 > be careful how you pull it apart
 > a clean will usually fix it
 > else use another fan - depending on the size , you can just walk into a
 > pc
 > repair shop and
 > buy a fan over the counter $2 - $5 usually
 >
 >
 >
 > "Falcon 1209" <falcon1209.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:OEpEc.4508$tU.777@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
  >> Hi,
  >>
  >> My video card's (nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 by Chaintech) fan started
  >> buzzing
  >> and its worrying me because I payed $130 for it 2 years ago. I dont
  >> know
  >> if
  >> its something to be worried about so im looking to replace the fan with
  >> the
  >> Lasagna A type fan from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tennmax.com." target="_blank">www.tennmax.com.</a> So basically my 2 questions
  >> are...
  >> 1. Is the buzzing a concern?
  >> 2. Is the fan glued to the GPU? (It doesnt seem like it is. Its held in
  >> by
  >> 2
  >> "Push Pins".) Ive only heard of the heat sinks being glued on but there
  >> isnt
  >> a heat sink on this one)
  >>
  >>
 >
 >



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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:38:41 -0500, "Falcon 1209"
<falcon1209 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

 >Hi,
 >
 >My video card's (nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 by Chaintech) fan started buzzing
 >and its worrying me because I payed $130 for it 2 years ago. I dont know if
 >its something to be worried about so im looking to replace the fan with the
 >Lasagna A type fan from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tennmax.com." target="_blank">www.tennmax.com.</a> So basically my 2 questions are...
 >1. Is the buzzing a concern?
 >2. Is the fan glued to the GPU? (It doesnt seem like it is. Its held in by 2
 >"Push Pins".) Ive only heard of the heat sinks being glued on but there isnt
 >a heat sink on this one)
 >

1. Yes, the buzzing is a concern. If you were to lube it with a
drop of heavyweight oil, now, and each time it start buzzing
again (which could be soon or a long, long time depending on the
particular fan and degree of wear) you could most likely get
several more years of use from it. This is assuming it uses only
a sleeve bearing. If it has a ball-bearing (you might not be
able to trust the label, sadly enough) it cannot be lubed, as
none are thick enough to have both the ball bearing and sleeve in
same fan. Even if you choose to replace the fan it would be good
to lube it now, as what may happen is that the fan will seize
after you turn the system off, then you turn it on and it's quiet
because it's not running, so video card overheats.

2. "Usually" those that use push-pins are not glued on. It
might use a thermal interface material that melts after the card
heats up, making it seem stuck on like a glue would, but these
are much easier to get off if you try after running the card for
a while so it's heated up, softened the material. Just as likely
it could just be the typical thermal grease, much easier to
remove. If you grasp the fan frame with two fingers and can
wiggle it back and forth fairly easily, it would almost certainly
be the grease under it.

The Tennmax Lasagna fans are poor at cooling and also use
low-quality junk fans. You'd be better off getting something
else.

What I usually do is take an old Pentium 1 heatsink and put a new
fan on it, something like a a 50-60mm x 15mm thick of the low-RPM
variety. That makes the 'sink too thick to allow use of the PCI
slot below the card but I deliberately leave that slot empty
anyway to improve cooling. A decent name-brand fan as I
described will last multiple times as long as the tiny thin fans,
and be quieter per same cooling provided the replacement heatsink
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kony <spam.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote in message news:<ikg4e0p9gv1v1n6hog5bh3hr4mov6rfd1v.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
 > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:38:41 -0500, "Falcon 1209"
 > <falcon1209.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
  > >Hi,
  > >
  > >My video card's (nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 by Chaintech) fan started buzzing
  > >and its worrying me because I payed $130 for it 2 years ago. I dont know if
  > >its something to be worried about so im looking to replace the fan with the
  > >Lasagna A type fan from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tennmax.com." target="_blank">www.tennmax.com.</a> So basically my 2 questions are...
  > >1. Is the buzzing a concern?
  > >2. Is the fan glued to the GPU? (It doesnt seem like it is. Its held in by 2
  > >"Push Pins".) Ive only heard of the heat sinks being glued on but there isnt
  > >a heat sink on this one)
  > >
 >
 > 1. Yes, the buzzing is a concern. If you were to lube it with a
 > drop of heavyweight oil, now, and each time it start buzzing
 > again (which could be soon or a long, long time depending on the
 > particular fan and degree of wear) you could most likely get
 > several more years of use from it. This is assuming it uses only
 > a sleeve bearing. If it has a ball-bearing (you might not be
 > able to trust the label, sadly enough) it cannot be lubed, as
 > none are thick enough to have both the ball bearing and sleeve in
 > same fan. Even if you choose to replace the fan it would be good
 > to lube it now, as what may happen is that the fan will seize
 > after you turn the system off, then you turn it on and it's quiet
 > because it's not running, so video card overheats.
 >
 > 2. "Usually" those that use push-pins are not glued on. It
 > might use a thermal interface material that melts after the card
 > heats up, making it seem stuck on like a glue would, but these
 > are much easier to get off if you try after running the card for
 > a while so it's heated up, softened the material. Just as likely
 > it could just be the typical thermal grease, much easier to
 > remove. If you grasp the fan frame with two fingers and can
 > wiggle it back and forth fairly easily, it would almost certainly
 > be the grease under it.
 >
 > The Tennmax Lasagna fans are poor at cooling and also use
 > low-quality junk fans. You'd be better off getting something
 > else.
 >
 > What I usually do is take an old Pentium 1 heatsink and put a new
 > fan on it, something like a a 50-60mm x 15mm thick of the low-RPM
 > variety. That makes the 'sink too thick to allow use of the PCI
 > slot below the card but I deliberately leave that slot empty
 > anyway to improve cooling. A decent name-brand fan as I
 > described will last multiple times as long as the tiny thin fans,
 > and be quieter per same cooling provided the replacement heatsink
 > is at least as big as the old one.

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On 1 Jul 2004 10:48:48 -0700, falcon1209.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Falcon1209)
wrote:


 >So what fan/heatsink should I get? And How do i go about installing it?

As I wrote previously, I usually use old leftover socket 7
heatsinks, then I affix them with either the original clip
(rarely, when the 'sink is compatible and light enough) or
usually attach with Arctic Alumina Epoxy. The most important
part of using an epoxy, is to use a heatsink that accepts a
standard fan, so if you found the fan inadequate or if it failed,
it can easily be swapped with a different fan some day. This way
it is not a problem that the metal portion can never be removed.
Suggested fan sizes it would accept would be 40, 50, or 60 mm
wide (preferribly 50 or 60, 40 is awfully small unless you don't
mind higher RPM, noise) by 10-15mm thick. Of course any such
solution will block the first PCI slot, and if a thick fan and
tall heatsink, even the 2nd PCI slot. Blocking 2nd slot might be
good compromise for a high-end video card in a gaming system, but
for an older card it seems excessive.

If you have a spare, small enough heatsink or are willing to
saw/sand it down to size that might be an option, but if not,
choose aftermarket 'sink/fan with thickest fan possible. Frankly
I don't like any of them because they all use a proprietary fan
mounting, so it's not possible to swap in a different fan for
noise, cooling, or failure reasons. That is, unless you were
lucky enough to have a spare fan.

I "think" (not sure) that a Thermaltake Blue Orb will fit those.
I've never tried it myself but thought I remembers others using
one. There are more expensive, fancier heatsinks, but I find it
hard to swallow paying $20 or more for a video card heatsink,
especially on a video card that's now worth less than $50 (since
it's used, with failed fan). Even so they do sometimes go on
sale, with a Google search for "Geforce 4 TI heatsink" being the
way to find them.

Did you try lubing the current fan?
Can you determine exactly what the fan is like, the dimensions of
the blades and screw-down points on the plastic frame?
I have a few old video card heatsink/fans, well, the cards are
now old but the fans are barely used because first thing I did
was to swap out that heatsink for something quieter and longer
lasting, so they just sat in a drawer. I may have something that
will fit your heatsink (metal portion), if the fan screws out and
the mounting holes match up with the fans I have. I think I
still have an unused Tennmax Lasagna around here too, but it
might be the type that clips to a CPU, not the video card type
(same thing but different clips, so it'd need some alternate
method of mounting). I still don't recommend the Lasagna though,
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 02:25:19 GMT, kony <spam DeleteThis @spam.com> wrote:

 >On 1 Jul 2004 10:48:48 -0700, falcon1209 DeleteThis @hotmail.com (Falcon1209)
 >wrote:
 >
 >
 >I "think" (not sure) that a Thermaltake Blue Orb will fit those.
 >I've never tried it myself but thought I remembers others using
 >one. There are more expensive, fancier heatsinks, but I find it
 >hard to swallow paying $20 or more for a video card heatsink,
 >especially on a video card that's now worth less than $50 (since
 >it's used, with failed fan). Even so they do sometimes go on
 >sale, with a Google search for "Geforce 4 TI heatsink" being the
 >way to find them.

Those 486 fans and heatsinks - well any CPU one is way way beefier and
the fan generally is way way more power ful than the dinky fans.

When I had to replace the one on my video card and northbridge chipset
on a motherboard - I looked at various exact replacements and besides
not being able to find the heatsinks that fit - the fans were
incredibly wimpy. The cfms were really low. The wimpiest CPU as most
can probably imagine is way way stronger. I cant remember but the
stock fans were like 5 cfm or something and the wimpiest replacement
video fans like the blue orb was like 15-25 cfm and so was the
wimpiest CPU fan and of course the heatsinks were massively larger.

That blue orb fit on a KT133 northbridge chip and several 400mx level
and Geforce2 cards I tried them on . Dont know about the Geforce 4
cards though.

If the ciurrent heatsink can take a fan replacement easily hes lucky.
All the ones I had , used weird proprietary trays or something in
which the fan sat in, so it was impossible to replace them with
standard fans.

I cracked the old heatsink off using the instructions that many sites
have - use an old credit card underneath to shield the board and
using a screwdriver to leverage the heatsink off. This scared the ka
ka out of me but it worked like many said it would. The thing popped
off. And then Id read a lot of people either mixing epoxy glue
together with thermal grease - weird but they say it works but you
have to pay attention to the viscosity or something of the glue so the
paste doesnt weaken it too much. Something like that. I chickened out
and used a few drops of super glue in the corners and thermal paste in
the middle and that worked great. Of course I can probably never take
the darn thing off now. Others can probably buy thermal epoxy cheap.
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:43:52 -1000, "John@Smith.com"
<xxxxspud.TakeThisOut@newscene.com> wrote:


 >Those 486 fans and heatsinks - well any CPU one is way way beefier and
 >the fan generally is way way more power ful than the dinky fans.
 >
 >When I had to replace the one on my video card and northbridge chipset
 >on a motherboard - I looked at various exact replacements and besides
 >not being able to find the heatsinks that fit - the fans were
 >incredibly wimpy. The cfms were really low. The wimpiest CPU as most
 >can probably imagine is way way stronger. I cant remember but the
 >stock fans were like 5 cfm or something and the wimpiest replacement
 >video fans like the blue orb was like 15-25 cfm and so was the
 >wimpiest CPU fan and of course the heatsinks were massively larger.

Yep, most stock video card fans are pathetc... noisey, low-flow,
high-rpm, and quick to fail. If I put together a system for
someone I'll leave the 'sink on if they're concerned about
warranty but any card I bought for myself within the past few
years had a heastink/fan replacement right after I'd benched it
long enough to be sure there wasn't anything wrong with it.


 >That blue orb fit on a KT133 northbridge chip and several 400mx level
 >and Geforce2 cards I tried them on . Dont know about the Geforce 4
 >cards though.
 >
 >If the ciurrent heatsink can take a fan replacement easily hes lucky.
 >All the ones I had , used weird proprietary trays or something in
 >which the fan sat in, so it was impossible to replace them with
 >standard fans.

There were some cards with really odd 'sinks too, more of a
decoration than anything, some even had non-standard mounting
holes. Never payed close enough attention to notice of those
cards also had the standard holes too, but if not, either epoxy
or a lot of work fabricating a custom 'sink would be necessary.

 >I cracked the old heatsink off using the instructions that many sites
 >have - use an old credit card underneath to shield the board and
 >using a screwdriver to leverage the heatsink off. This scared the ka
 >ka out of me but it worked like many said it would. The thing popped
 >off. And then Id read a lot of people either mixing epoxy glue
 >together with thermal grease - weird but they say it works but you
 >have to pay attention to the viscosity or something of the glue so the
 >paste doesnt weaken it too much. Something like that. I chickened out
 >and used a few drops of super glue in the corners and thermal paste in
 >the middle and that worked great. Of course I can probably never take
 >the darn thing off now. Others can probably buy thermal epoxy cheap.
 >Around here they wanted 20 bucks a tube.

It's pretty silly how much thermal epoxy costs, one place with
the best price I've seen is <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.melcor.com/thermepx.html" target="_blank">http://www.melcor.com/thermepx.html</a> ,
though allelectronics has blister packs for cheaper, at least
till they run out,
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=EPOX-4&type=store" target="_blank">http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&ite...POX-4&t</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Falcon 1209" <falcon1209.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OEpEc.4508$tU.777@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
 > Hi,
 >
 > My video card's (nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 by Chaintech) fan started buzzing
 > and its worrying me because I payed $130 for it 2 years ago. I dont know
if
 > its something to be worried about so im looking to replace the fan with
the
 > Lasagna A type fan from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tennmax.com." target="_blank">www.tennmax.com.</a> So basically my 2 questions
are...
 > 1. Is the buzzing a concern?
 > 2. Is the fan glued to the GPU? (It doesnt seem like it is. Its held in by
2
 > "Push Pins".) Ive only heard of the heat sinks being glued on but there
isnt
 > a heat sink on this one)

Is the card still under warranty? My BFG 4200 card's fan started to fail
and BFG sent me a new card. They sent a new FX5900XT too. I couldn't
believe it.

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Falcon 1209 wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > My video card's (nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 by Chaintech) fan started buzzing
 > and its worrying me because I payed $130 for it 2 years ago. I dont know
 > if its something to be worried about so im looking to replace the fan with
 > the Lasagna A type fan from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tennmax.com." target="_blank">www.tennmax.com.</a> So basically my 2 questions
 > are... 1. Is the buzzing a concern?
 > 2. Is the fan glued to the GPU? (It doesnt seem like it is. Its held in by
 > 2 "Push Pins".) Ive only heard of the heat sinks being glued on but there
 > isnt a heat sink on this one).

There are numerous third-party heat sinks for the Ti series, just pick one
and put it on and don't worry about it. It's been a very long time since
any nvidia-based board came with a heat sink bonded to the GPU.

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