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Andrew Hamilton

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:36 pm
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I've been a happy camper continuing to run Win XP, while reading about
all the problems with Vista.

Now Im thinking it's time to update my old 2 CPU Athlon system with a
faster/bigger/wider quad-core system.

Can Win XP work with quad-core? Win XP 64 bit?

If not Win XP, which Win OS? Does it have to be Vista?

I have a legit copy of Server 2003 around. Can I use that and be
happy (if I turn off all those services I don't need?)

--AH

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:23 pm
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"Andrew Hamilton" <Ahamilton90900 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I've been a happy camper continuing to run Win XP, while reading about
> all the problems with Vista.
>
> Now Im thinking it's time to update my old 2 CPU Athlon system with a
> faster/bigger/wider quad-core system.
>
> Can Win XP work with quad-core? Win XP 64 bit?
>
> If not Win XP, which Win OS? Does it have to be Vista?
>
> I have a legit copy of Server 2003 around. Can I use that and be
> happy (if I turn off all those services I don't need?)
>
> --AH

I'm running Windows XP Home Edition with a Quad Core processor. It runs
great! In fact, I started out by installing my edition of XP before any
service packs were introduce, and after it booted up I then did all the
updates online.
I just read an article about Vista Ulitmate and it wasn't favorable. I'm
sticking with the 32 bit operating system for now.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:58 pm
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Doesn't XP only use a max of 2 cores? Thought that was a hard limit.
"Scott" <scottsss RemoveThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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> "Andrew Hamilton" <Ahamilton90900 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0bb1s3hch5bud8a716sqhmqnl4taj1as9b@4ax.com...
>> I've been a happy camper continuing to run Win XP, while reading about
>> all the problems with Vista.
>>
>> Now Im thinking it's time to update my old 2 CPU Athlon system with a
>> faster/bigger/wider quad-core system.
>>
>> Can Win XP work with quad-core? Win XP 64 bit?
>>
>> If not Win XP, which Win OS? Does it have to be Vista?
>>
>> I have a legit copy of Server 2003 around. Can I use that and be
>> happy (if I turn off all those services I don't need?)
>>
>> --AH
>
> I'm running Windows XP Home Edition with a Quad Core processor. It runs
> great! In fact, I started out by installing my edition of XP before any
> service packs were introduce, and after it booted up I then did all the
> updates online.
> I just read an article about Vista Ulitmate and it wasn't favorable. I'm
> sticking with the 32 bit operating system for now.
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:02 pm
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Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a limit on
cores.

XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK


"Jordan" <none DeleteThis @here.com> wrote in message
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> Doesn't XP only use a max of 2 cores? Thought that was a hard limit.
> "Scott" <scottsss DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:47c0b8ff$0$8066$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> "Andrew Hamilton" <Ahamilton90900 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:0bb1s3hch5bud8a716sqhmqnl4taj1as9b@4ax.com...
>>> I've been a happy camper continuing to run Win XP, while reading about
>>> all the problems with Vista.
>>>
>>> Now Im thinking it's time to update my old 2 CPU Athlon system with a
>>> faster/bigger/wider quad-core system.
>>>
>>> Can Win XP work with quad-core? Win XP 64 bit?
>>>
>>> If not Win XP, which Win OS? Does it have to be Vista?
>>>
>>> I have a legit copy of Server 2003 around. Can I use that and be
>>> happy (if I turn off all those services I don't need?)
>>>
>>> --AH
>>
>> I'm running Windows XP Home Edition with a Quad Core processor. It runs
>> great! In fact, I started out by installing my edition of XP before any
>> service packs were introduce, and after it booted up I then did all the
>> updates online.
>> I just read an article about Vista Ulitmate and it wasn't favorable. I'm
>> sticking with the 32 bit operating system for now.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:17 am
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500, "Jordan" <none DeleteThis @here.com> wrote:

>Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a limit on
>cores.

Meaning that if you start up the Task Manager, you will see all four
cores in the Task Manager?
>
>XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
>XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK

And that would be a pretty awesome system. Does anyone make an
_affordable_ motherboard for dual quad core CPUs?

-AH
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:21 am
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Andrew Hamilton wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500, "Jordan" <none RemoveThis @here.com> wrote:
>
>> Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a limit on
>> cores.
>
> Meaning that if you start up the Task Manager, you will see all four
> cores in the Task Manager?
>> XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
>> XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK
>
> And that would be a pretty awesome system. Does anyone make an
> _affordable_ motherboard for dual quad core CPUs?
>
> -AH

GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX $67 (room for two DIMMs)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128078

CPU list
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?P...uctID=2

Paul
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:03 am
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> I just read an article about Vista Ulitmate and it wasn't favorable. I'm
> sticking with the 32 bit operating system for now.

I'm not disagreeing with what you have read (I haven't seen the article
myself), as the reviewer may have been less than impressed with his
experience.

From personal experience, on one of my PC's I've been working regularly with
Vista Ultimate 64bit since the end of January 07, initially with a dual core
Intel C2D E6600 and from around mid October with a quad core Q6600 in an
Asus P5B-E-Deluxe board.

I can say that it has been 100% stable for me and faster than an equivlalent
system I have running XP Pro. For what I use it for, which is general
office tasks, Internet browsing and some music production with Cubase 4, it
doesn't have any issues that I can think of other than the initial lack of
64 bit drivers for some of my older audio hardware. Vista 64 can access the
whole of my system's 4GB RAM without issue as well - but as we all know
Vista is a memory hog. All the 32 bit apps I use work just as well, and
sometimes a bit better in the 64 bit environment as they do in XP Pro. I do
think that 64bit is the way forward and Vista is the only desktop Windows
based system that offers a viable 64 bit option for now, but I also think
that Vista's bells and whistles in general are unnecessary. Third party
support for native 64bit operation has been patchy and relatively slow,
which is to be expected to a point, but is nevertheless a bit disappointing
and as a result I still need to use XP Pro or Vista 32 bit with a couple of
bits of third party music hardware I've got. Perhaps the release of Vista
SP1 will change the outlook for the better with regard to 64bit driver
support ....
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:24 pm
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"Andrew Hamilton" <Ahamilton90900.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500, "Jordan" <none.DeleteThis@here.com> wrote:
>
>>Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a limit
>>on
>>cores.
>
> Meaning that if you start up the Task Manager, you will see all four
> cores in the Task Manager?

Yes

>>
>>XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
>>XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK
>
> And that would be a pretty awesome system. Does anyone make an
> _affordable_ motherboard for dual quad core CPUs?
>
> -AH

Right now it'd be a waste as hardly anything will use 8 cores....
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:33 am
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Paul wrote:
> Andrew Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500, "Jordan" <none.TakeThisOut@here.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a
>>> limit on cores.
>>
>> Meaning that if you start up the Task Manager, you will see all four
>> cores in the Task Manager?
>>> XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
>>> XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK
>>
>> And that would be a pretty awesome system. Does anyone make an
>> _affordable_ motherboard for dual quad core CPUs?
>>
>> -AH
>
> GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX $67 (room for two DIMMs)
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128078
>
> CPU list
> http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?P...uctID=2
>
>
> Paul

Oops. Missed the *dual* socket part of that question. Of course
dual socket boards aren't cheap. They are a different market,
with a different pricing scheme. And different chipsets, some of
which use expensive RAM (FBDIMMs). By comparison, a single quad,
like a Q6600, can be had quite cheaply, as can the motherboard to
run it.

If a manufacturer thinks they are making server motherboards, they
assume that companies are buying them, and a higher price can be
charged. Desktop motherboards, on the other hand, are priced for
sale to individual users, and their budgets will be smaller. The
$67 motherboard above, is an example of trying to appeal to a
desktop buyer.

Paul
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:48 am
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:53:35 -0000, "nickm" <nickm RemoveThis @nospam.net> wrote:


>I can say that it has been 100% stable for me and faster than an equivlalent
>system I have running XP Pro. For what I use it for, which is general
>office tasks, Internet browsing and some music production with Cubase 4, it
>doesn't have any issues that I can think of other than the initial lack of
>64 bit drivers for some of my older audio hardware.

I think in general manufacturers don't update drivers for older
hardware to support newer OSs. So to me the cost of upgrading to
Vista isn't just the extra RAM, or even a whole new
system/motherboard, but replacing an older but awfully useful Epson
flatbed scanner, possibly replacing my Palm OS-based Treo
smartphone/PDA and may be even the SCSI card I use to drive my tape
backup drive.

Still, I'm thinking that it is time to upgrade,even if I don't get
around to it for several months.

-AH
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:05 pm
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> I think in general manufacturers don't update drivers for older
> hardware to support newer OSs.

That, I can understand. Nothing lasts forever. But in this case I'm not
talking about old hardware. I'm talking about kit that is still being
produced and is still being sold at quite high prices - M-Audio FW1814 audio
interface for one. It has only recently got a 32 bit Vista driver, and
there's still no sign of a 64 bit driver. I know that Vista 64 is nowhere
near as popular as Vista 32 bit variants, but in audio production, more
memory is highly desirable to run audio plugins and virtual instruments
comfortably, so 64 bit OS's are the way forward. Seems to me like some of
these manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot by not keeping up.
That said, I have been pleasantly surprised by the provision of 64 bit
drivers for some legacy kit by some manufacturers - Edirol for example
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:16 pm
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"Andrew Hamilton" <Ahamilton90900.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500, "Jordan" <none.TakeThisOut@here.com> wrote:
>
>>Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a limit
>>on
>>cores.
>
> Meaning that if you start up the Task Manager, you will see all four
> cores in the Task Manager?
>>
>>XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
>>XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK
>
> And that would be a pretty awesome system. Does anyone make an
> _affordable_ motherboard for dual quad core CPUs?
>
> -AH

Intel's Skulltrail Dual Socket Extreme Desktop Platform, based on a dual
socketed D5400XS desktop motherboard. Price $649 US.

Intel Core 2 Extreme processor QX9775 at $1,499 US each.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:35 pm
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"Paul" <nospam.DeleteThis@needed.com> wrote in message news:fpu8o7$qnm$1@aioe.org...
> Paul wrote:
>> Andrew Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:06 -0500, "Jordan" <none.DeleteThis@here.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opps, forgot that as long as it is on the same chip there is not a
>>>> limit on cores.
>>>
>>> Meaning that if you start up the Task Manager, you will see all four
>>> cores in the Task Manager?
>>>> XP Home - single processor w/quad core OK
>>>> XP Pro - two processors w/quad cores OK
>>>
>>> And that would be a pretty awesome system. Does anyone make an
>>> _affordable_ motherboard for dual quad core CPUs?
>>>
>>> -AH
>>
>> GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX $67 (room for two DIMMs)
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128078
>>
>> CPU list
>> http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?P...uctID=2
>> Paul
>
> Oops. Missed the *dual* socket part of that question. Of course
> dual socket boards aren't cheap. They are a different market,
> with a different pricing scheme. And different chipsets, some of
> which use expensive RAM (FBDIMMs). By comparison, a single quad,
> like a Q6600, can be had quite cheaply, as can the motherboard to
> run it.
>
> If a manufacturer thinks they are making server motherboards, they
> assume that companies are buying them, and a higher price can be
> charged. Desktop motherboards, on the other hand, are priced for
> sale to individual users, and their budgets will be smaller. The
> $67 motherboard above, is an example of trying to appeal to a
> desktop buyer.
>
> Paul

Not really, there is a reason why high-end workstation and server boards
cost more, the engineering and components are better quality. Everything
from capacitors to chipsets. Just like there is a difference on quality from
a 60 dollar board vs. a 300 dollar board, the devil is in the details.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:11 pm
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"Angry American" <angryamerican DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
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| Not really, there is a reason why high-end workstation and server
boards
| cost more, the engineering and components are better quality.
Everything
| from capacitors to chipsets. Just like there is a difference on
quality from
| a 60 dollar board vs. a 300 dollar board, the devil is in the
details.
|

To this I say "not really". In an electronics design/manufacturing
firm you will find the same engineers work on high volume/low-cost as
well as lower volume/high-cost products, there is little distinction
given to "who gets the project" when it comes to the engineer
assigned, imho. I worked in such a business for around 10 years and
saw no particular basis for the assignment of projects to engineers
other than their current work load and/or general expertise (and
sometimes a complete lack of expertise made no difference, the
engineer got the job because his workload was less than his
colleagues).

High-end workstations and server motherboards are lower quantity
manufacturing run products and thus have higher per unit costs for
engineering, tooling and manufacturing equipment design/costs (fixed
and variable overhead should also be considered), thus justifying the
higher price. As to the quality of components, I suspect the total
component cost difference for "low end" passive components such as
caps/resistors versus better or higher quality components amounts to
less than a few dollars per motherboard given the volume buying power
that a large mobo manufacturer can wield. Where chipsets are
concerned, the high end chipsets will be lower volume and higher cost
typically, yet I do not expect the more expensive chipset to have any
higher lifetime reliability unless heatsink/cooling factors are
different in the designs. Keep in mind that it is common practice for
a mobo manufacturer to "lay out" a design that is easily configured
for multiple products, from low end to high end, with the differences
between the products attributable to the presence of a few additional
components, perhaps more heatsinks or a fan/hs combo on the chipset(s)
and a different BIOS. I see more and more mobo designs using surface
mount power devices (e.g., for Vcore circuits) that are essentially
using the mobo as a heatsink for dissipation of device heat, a cheaper
approach than using a separate heatsink but this approach can have
undesirable long term results such as increased thermal expansion
forces applied to the mobo.

One example that comes to mind, Biostar made an M7NCD, a M7NCD-Pro and
an M7NCD-Ultra, and each product used essentially the same bare
motherboard with the differences attributable to components/chips
(such as added sata/raid chips and some passive components for these
added chips) on the mobo and different BIOS versions used. I note the
same can be done with server or work station products. It is only
when one crosses over into the "mil-spec" area of product
design/production costs will one truly encounter the cost of a high
reliability product.
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Kyle
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