X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect..

> Shame really, was wanting to upgrade my 9800 Pro this year too. Looks
> like a 7800GTX for me.
>
Only if you have PCI-E motherboard. Otherwise 6800 or X800 series is best
AGP option.
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

"John Lewis" <john.dsl.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:43447c83.2641804@news.verizon.net...
> Purely window-dressing for the Q4/fiscal-year announcement tomorrow
> morning. Results won't look pretty -- projected 30cents/share loss for
> Q4.
>
> When anybody sees a X1000 series card for immediate sale ( NOT
> Pre-order, or "Out-of-Stock") from a reputable on-line retail site
> ( Newegg, ZipZoomFly, etc... NOT Ebay ! ), please post the URL
> to this newsgroup.
>
> Also, when anybody sees a Crossfire video-card or motherboard for
> immediate sale from a reputable sourec, again please post the URL.
>
> John Lewis


Will do if I see anything...when were you looking/hoping to buy one?
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

Kent_Diego wrote:

>>Shame really, was wanting to upgrade my 9800 Pro this year too. Looks
>>like a 7800GTX for me.
>>
>
> Only if you have PCI-E motherboard. Otherwise 6800 or X800 series is best
> AGP option.
>
>
and there are many more AGP slots out there than PCI-E
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:26:19 -0600, "NightSky 421"
<nightsky421.DeleteThis@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>"John Lewis" <john.dsl.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:43447c83.2641804@news.verizon.net...
>> Purely window-dressing for the Q4/fiscal-year announcement tomorrow
>> morning. Results won't look pretty -- projected 30cents/share loss for
>> Q4.
>>
>> When anybody sees a X1000 series card for immediate sale ( NOT
>> Pre-order, or "Out-of-Stock") from a reputable on-line retail site
>> ( Newegg, ZipZoomFly, etc... NOT Ebay ! ), please post the URL
>> to this newsgroup.
>>
>> Also, when anybody sees a Crossfire video-card or motherboard for
>> immediate sale from a reputable sourec, again please post the URL.
>>
>> John Lewis
>
>
>Will do if I see anything...when were you looking/hoping to buy one?
>
>

Not I, but I have some irrational friends.

John Lewis
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

"NightSky 421" <nightsky421.DeleteThis@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:11ka5urpj6eeqc8@corp.supernews.com...
> "John Lewis" <john.dsl.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:43447c83.2641804@news.verizon.net...
>> Purely window-dressing for the Q4/fiscal-year announcement tomorrow
>> morning. Results won't look pretty -- projected 30cents/share loss for
>> Q4.
>>
>> When anybody sees a X1000 series card for immediate sale ( NOT
>> Pre-order, or "Out-of-Stock") from a reputable on-line retail site
>> ( Newegg, ZipZoomFly, etc... NOT Ebay ! ), please post the URL
>> to this newsgroup.
>>
>> Also, when anybody sees a Crossfire video-card or motherboard for
>> immediate sale from a reputable sourec, again please post the URL.
>>
>> John Lewis
>
>
> Will do if I see anything...when were you looking/hoping to buy one?

John isn't looking / hoping to buy...... he just wants to sit here and dump
on ATI hardware !
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

"John Lewis" <john.dsl RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
news:43455f76.14488304@news.verizon.net...
>
> Not I, but I have some irrational friends.
>
> John Lewis
>


John, I do agree with you about Steam, but it's become more than obvious
from the posts I've read in the last few days that you have some sort of axe
to grind with ATI and/or users of ATI hardware. Let it go. Competition in
the marketplace is a good thing for consumers. In case you haven't noticed,
3dfx is a footnote in history and Matrox has not put out a notable video
card for the masses in quite some time now. This is to say nothing of
others who have ventured into the market in the past. I'm not saying that
ATI is as clean as the driven snow, but no company is. The fact remains,
however, that when you only have two major players in an industry
(especially in the case of video cards), you want to keep both of those
companies going. Failure to do so would translate into lack of innovation
and support. There's not much motivation to progress when you're only
competing against yourself. And from what I've seen of the benchmarks, the
new ATI hardware really isn't bad. For sure, the OpenGL side of things
could still use improvement, but I'm glad that both ATI and nVidia continue
to push each other overall. You should be too.
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

"NightSky 421" <nightsky421 RemoveThis @yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:11kbd6pn1f76qd3@corp.supernews.com...
> "John Lewis" <john.dsl RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:43455f76.14488304@news.verizon.net...
>>
>> Not I, but I have some irrational friends.
>>
>> John Lewis
>>
>
>
> John, I do agree with you about Steam, but it's become more than obvious
> from the posts I've read in the last few days that you have some sort of
> axe to grind with ATI and/or users of ATI hardware. Let it go.
> Competition in the marketplace is a good thing for consumers. In case you
> haven't noticed, 3dfx is a footnote in history and Matrox has not put out
> a notable video card for the masses in quite some time now. This is to
> say nothing of others who have ventured into the market in the past. I'm
> not saying that ATI is as clean as the driven snow, but no company is.
> The fact remains, however, that when you only have two major players in an
> industry (especially in the case of video cards), you want to keep both of
> those companies going. Failure to do so would translate into lack of
> innovation and support. There's not much motivation to progress when
> you're only competing against yourself. And from what I've seen of the
> benchmarks, the new ATI hardware really isn't bad. For sure, the OpenGL
> side of things could still use improvement, but I'm glad that both ATI and
> nVidia continue to push each other overall. You should be too.
>

NightSky, I am leaving the x-post because I'm not sure which group you
replied to. In case you haven't noticed, JL doesn't reply to rational
posts, he's only looking to get a rise out of somebody. He's a fanatic in
every sense of the word. Who else would spout so much anti-ATI tripe in the
ATI group? He doesn't care what you or anybody else thinks; he's trying to
see how many people he can piss off. He won't reply to your post because
you've made too much sense. If he does reply it will be to belittle me for
stating the obvious. I've heard that he knows hardware, but have seen
little evidence to support that theory. Maybe I'm wrong but, in any case, I
agree with your post.
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:36:10 -0600, "NightSky 421"
<nightsky421.TakeThisOut@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>"John Lewis" <john.dsl.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:43455f76.14488304@news.verizon.net...
>>
>> Not I, but I have some irrational friends.
>>
>> John Lewis
>>
>
>
>John, I do agree with you about Steam, but it's become more than obvious
>from the posts I've read in the last few days that you have some sort of axe
>to grind with ATI and/or users of ATI hardware.

Nope. I have plenty of axe to grind with people/companies that do not
tell the truth, do not deliver when promised, or deliberately conceal
for as long as possible the negative aspects of their product.... the
half-truth syndrome... ATi and Valve currently come to mind. Maybe I
should call it the half-life syndrome instead.

nVidia came prominently and negatively to my mind a year or two ago
with the FX5800 fiasco, THEIR paper launches, and doubtful fiddles
with drivers to improve performance on synthetic benchmarks.

> Let it go. Competition in
>the marketplace is a good thing for consumers. In case you haven't noticed,
>3dfx is a footnote in history and Matrox has not put out a notable video
>card for the masses in quite some time now. This is to say nothing of
>others who have ventured into the market in the past. I'm not saying that
>ATI is as clean as the driven snow, but no company is. The fact remains,
>however, that when you only have two major players in an industry
>(especially in the case of video cards), you want to keep both of those
>companies going. Failure to do so would translate into lack of innovation
>and support. There's not much motivation to progress when you're only
>competing against yourself. And from what I've seen of the benchmarks, the
>new ATI hardware really isn't bad. For sure, the OpenGL side of things
>could still use improvement, but I'm glad that both ATI and nVidia continue
>to push each other overall. You should be too.
>

I am. But ATi requires a major change in management and marketing.
Why this sleazy exercise in a public announcement one day before the
Q4 results obviously designed just to bolster the stock price?

From ATi's website, here is the quote from ATi's Oct 5 Press release:-

"Radeon X1800 and Radeon X1300 cards are shipping immediately, with
additional Radeon X1800 configurations and Radeon X1600 cards shipping
later in October and November. "

Shipping immediately -- to whom ???

As of right now (7:45PM) Newegg does not list a single X1000-series
card on their web-site.

Dishonest... yes... Evasive... yes...

Desirable behavior by a major manufacturer of video peripherals... No

Will ATi change their announcement/delivery behavior... probably not,
as long as there are no management changes..and people like you
accept it as normal and buy the product anyway. At least the big OEMs
like Dell have more sense, not to hang around in the sea of broken
delivery promises coming up to the critical Christmas season.

A very bad introduction example to set nVidia for the future.
Although the chorus of hallelujahs (and lots of $$$ and design-in
wins) after the 7800GTX release from both retailers and cutomers
makes it very unlikely that nVidia will backslide into paper on major
product releases any time soon.

John Lewis
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

John Lewis wrote:
> Purely window-dressing for the Q4/fiscal-year announcement tomorrow
> morning. Results won't look pretty -- projected 30cents/share loss for
> Q4.
>
> When anybody sees a X1000 series card for immediate sale ( NOT
> Pre-order, or "Out-of-Stock") from a reputable on-line retail site
> ( Newegg, ZipZoomFly, etc... NOT Ebay ! ), please post the URL
> to this newsgroup.
>
> Also, when anybody sees a Crossfire video-card or motherboard for
> immediate sale from a reputable sourec, again please post the URL.
>
> John Lewis

God, dude, are you still here trolling this group? Don't you know they are
too busy developing for the XBOX360?

They just had to make a statement for all you computer nerds clamoring,
"Where's my new Dawn Demo, she's so hawt." And if it's in limited retail,
why in the hell would someone post a link? Oh wait, I know why you asked for
one.
It's so you can tell all your friends "I know where to get this
super-secret, hard-to-come-by-super-greatest-video-card. I'm so great and
so krad and very elite. Give me that bag of chips, I want some oil on my
fingers cause I ran outta lube jacking off to how cool I think I am."
You're a dolt.
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

John Lewis wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:36:10 -0600, "NightSky 421"
> <nightsky421.RemoveThis@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>"John Lewis" <john.dsl.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:43455f76.14488304@news.verizon.net...
>>>
>>> Not I, but I have some irrational friends.
>>>
>>> John Lewis
>>>
>>
>>
>>John, I do agree with you about Steam, but it's become more than obvious
>>from the posts I've read in the last few days that you have some sort of
>>axe to grind with ATI and/or users of ATI hardware.
>
> Nope. I have plenty of axe to grind with people/companies that do not
> tell the truth, do not deliver when promised, or deliberately conceal
> for as long as possible the negative aspects of their product.... the
> half-truth syndrome... ATi and Valve currently come to mind. Maybe I
> should call it the half-life syndrome instead.
>
> nVidia came prominently and negatively to my mind a year or two ago
> with the FX5800 fiasco, THEIR paper launches, and doubtful fiddles
> with drivers to improve performance on synthetic benchmarks.
>
>> Let it go. Competition in
>>the marketplace is a good thing for consumers. In case you haven't
>>noticed, 3dfx is a footnote in history and Matrox has not put out a
>>notable video
>>card for the masses in quite some time now. This is to say nothing of
>>others who have ventured into the market in the past. I'm not saying that
>>ATI is as clean as the driven snow, but no company is. The fact remains,
>>however, that when you only have two major players in an industry
>>(especially in the case of video cards), you want to keep both of those
>>companies going. Failure to do so would translate into lack of innovation
>>and support. There's not much motivation to progress when you're only
>>competing against yourself. And from what I've seen of the benchmarks,
>>the
>>new ATI hardware really isn't bad. For sure, the OpenGL side of things
>>could still use improvement, but I'm glad that both ATI and nVidia
>>continue
>>to push each other overall. You should be too.
>>
>
> I am. But ATi requires a major change in management and marketing.
> Why this sleazy exercise in a public announcement one day before the
> Q4 results obviously designed just to bolster the stock price?
>
> From ATi's website, here is the quote from ATi's Oct 5 Press release:-
>
> "Radeon X1800 and Radeon X1300 cards are shipping immediately, with
> additional Radeon X1800 configurations and Radeon X1600 cards shipping
> later in October and November. "
>
> Shipping immediately -- to whom ???

Generally the high-volume purchasers get first crack, then some of the major
chain retailers, then general distribution.

If you check other retailers who just plug the distribution system you'll
find that the distributers are anticipating having the X1800 in stock on
the 24th. If it's coming from Taiwan by containership (the usual shipping
method for consumer electronics) and has to clear customs that's a
reasonable delay.

> As of right now (7:45PM) Newegg does not list a single X1000-series
> card on their web-site.

Newegg doesn't usually list new stuff until they have an item actually in
their possession--they're among the _last_ to list a new product.

> Dishonest... yes... Evasive... yes...
>
> Desirable behavior by a major manufacturer of video peripherals... No
>
> Will ATi change their announcement/delivery behavior... probably not,
> as long as there are no management changes..and people like you
> accept it as normal and buy the product anyway. At least the big OEMs
> like Dell have more sense, not to hang around in the sea of broken
> delivery promises coming up to the critical Christmas season.

If they don't make the 24th then you might have cause to be upset.
"Shipping" does not mean "shipping direct to end users" and never has for
any computer product. It means "shipping from their factory".

> A very bad introduction example to set nVidia for the future.
> Although the chorus of hallelujahs (and lots of $$$ and design-in
> wins) after the 7800GTX release from both retailers and cutomers
> makes it very unlikely that nVidia will backslide into paper on major
> product releases any time soon.
>
> John Lewis

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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On , "The Mighty MF" <sether01.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:


>God, dude, are you still here trolling this group? Don't you know they are
>too busy developing for the XBOX360?
>

If ATi ends up depending on the Xbox360 license fees for their future
they will be bankrupt in 6 months. BTW, on the subject of Xbox360
license fees, nVidia is doing very well even if they did not
contribute a single piece of technology to the Xbox360. How ? Well,
the incompetents that run the Xbox360 program suddenly got woken up
by retailers and developers pointing out that the lack of backward
compatibilty on the Xbox360 was a VERY BAD DECISION. So M$$ went
crawling to nVidia about 4 months ago for a license to permit the
Xbox360 software to emulate the Xbox chip-set. Most have been some
Hi-fives in the nVidia board-room over that.... Still does not stop
the Xbox360 backward compatibility being a piecemeal kludge, with
'emulation profiles' and the mandatory hard-disk to load them. Should
be very confused and unhappy Xbox360 customers come Christmas.
Not everybody is as smart and technically sharp as you...........

>They just had to make a statement for all you computer nerds clamoring,
>"Where's my new Dawn Demo, she's so hawt." And if it's in limited retail,
>why in the hell would someone post a link? Oh wait, I know why you asked for
>one.
>It's so you can tell all your friends "I know where to get this
>super-secret, hard-to-come-by-super-greatest-video-card. I'm so great and
>so krad and very elite. Give me that bag of chips, I want some oil on my
>fingers cause I ran outta lube jacking off to how cool I think I am."

If we are computer nerds, then what are you doing posting to these
groups.......why not retreat and rejoin the rest of your friends
posting to the console groups ?

>You're a dolt.
>

Hold up a mirror...then recite quietly:-
"Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all....."

John Lewis
>
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

John Lewis wrote:

>> They just had to make a statement for all you computer nerds
>> clamoring, "Where's my new Dawn Demo, she's so hawt." And if it's in
>> limited retail, why in the hell would someone post a link? Oh wait,
>> I know why you asked for one.
>> It's so you can tell all your friends "I know where to get this
>> super-secret, hard-to-come-by-super-greatest-video-card. I'm so
>> great and so krad and very elite. Give me that bag of chips, I want
>> some oil on my fingers cause I ran outta lube jacking off to how
>> cool I think I am."
>
> If we are computer nerds, then what are you doing posting to these
> groups.......why not retreat and rejoin the rest of your friends
> posting to the console groups ?
>
>> You're a dolt.
>>
>
> Hold up a mirror...then recite quietly:-
> "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all....."
>
> John Lewis

Well, I'm a computer geek. See if I post in the console groups. I guess my
point was too subtle for you, eep.

-Mark
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect.. 

John Lewis wrote:

>> They just had to make a statement for all you computer nerds
>> clamoring, "Where's my new Dawn Demo, she's so hawt." And if it's in
>> limited retail, why in the hell would someone post a link? Oh wait,
>> I know why you asked for one.
>> It's so you can tell all your friends "I know where to get this
>> super-secret, hard-to-come-by-super-greatest-video-card. I'm so
>> great and so krad and very elite. Give me that bag of chips, I want
>> some oil on my fingers cause I ran outta lube jacking off to how
>> cool I think I am."
>
> If we are computer nerds, then what are you doing posting to these
> groups.......why not retreat and rejoin the rest of your friends
> posting to the console groups ?
>
>> You're a dolt.
>>
>
> Hold up a mirror...then recite quietly:-
> "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all....."
>
> John Lewis

Well, I'm a computer geek. See if I post in the console groups. I guess my
point was too subtle for you, eep.

-Mark
 >> Stay informed about: X1000 series all AWOL in the retail channels.....as expect..